So much for Brewster the disciplinarian

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http://www.mndaily.com/2009/09/29/gopher-football-players-involved-dinkytown-brawl

This really sucks. College kid's party and underage drink it's what they do but sometimes you have to use your head
and not get yourself in these types of situations. These guy's gotta realize there somewhat public figures even if they are students
that anything they do in public reflects on themselves, the coaches and the University. They obviously do not have as much respect
for the coaching staff as they should have or they would not be bringing this kind of negative publicity to the program.

No matter how pissed you are, often times it is better to walk away and not fight then to get your name in the paper.
You can be a tough guy and still walk away at times, it is better than getting arrested or getting your name plastered in the media. Getting named in the paper, that is doghouse city and probably sitting the bench. What's next Fox9, KSTP investigative reports, this is all we need.
 


Impossible. There's no way. All Gopher athletes are perfect little angels.

Only Wisconsin and Iowa athletes act like this.
 

Might be related to why the two guys were suspended?
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
http://www.mndaily.com/2009/09/29/gopher-football-players-involved-dinkytown-brawl

This really sucks. College kid's party and underage drink it's what they do but sometimes you have to use your head
and not get yourself in these types of situations. These guy's gotta realize there somewhat public figures even if they are students
that anything they do in public reflects on themselves, the coaches and the University. They obviously do not have as much respect
for the coaching staff as they should have or they would not be bringing this kind of negative publicity to the program.

No matter how pissed you are, often times it is better to walk away and not fight then to get your name in the paper.
You can be a tough guy and still walk away at times, it is better than getting arrested or getting your name plastered in the media. Getting named in the paper, that is doghouse city and probably sitting the bench. What's next Fox9, KSTP investigative reports, this is all we need.
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Why is this so much?

He suspended two players for two games. Those two players didn't end up on the police report. I imagine we won't see Tinsley playing vs Wisconsin.
 


"So much for Brewster the disciplinarian"

Don't you think the two suspensions earlier this week had something to do with this?
 

I'm guessing Tinsley won't be playing for a little while, and deservedly so. We'll see who steps up to take his place, which is pretty limited to special teams. I'll speculate that the suspension of McKinely and Dandrige are related to the same brawl.
 

Art Vandelay said:
Impossible. There's no way. All Gopher athletes are perfect little angels.

Only Wisconsin and Iowa athletes act like this.
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Please find me a quote on here where someone has said anything close to "All Gopher athletes are perfect little angels."
 

Might not have used the right words

What I should have said is that this is on the coaches a little bit too "If they didn't have the talk".
There young men, coaches cannot be everywhere but with what has already happened to this program in the past Brandn Hall getting shot because players went back downtown looking for a fight. Hall was backing up his buddies, this is likely what a lot of these guy's were doing but this is exactly the type of situation that leads into a tragedy or really stupid things happening.

Nobody is around from when that happened, none of the coaches and players but someone should be reminding them of what can happen when these out of control and crazy Sh!t situations occur. To bad the players that were suspended had to learn the hard way by being suspended and not being there for there teamates. He get's credit for handeling this after the fact but needs to nip this crap in the bud as much as possible in the future. Kid's! Being a coach must be a lot like being a parent.
 



I'm just being facetious.

I think it's funny that when players from other schools get in trouble, many posters on this board play the "holier than thou" card when in fact the U has it's share of off the field problems with its athletes, whether it's public info or not.
 


Schnoodler said:
I wonder if mckinley has a welt on his leg??
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What crazy f*cken students would get in a fight with any of these guys? I mean we sometimes make cracks at the sizes of these guys, but 6'1 185 is not small when you are all muscle. We don't have to even mention the sizes of the other two players we know involved.

Let's hope this is the end of us, because we are not that deep of a team.
 

That person who made that comment on that daily article is a moron. Why are the people that comment there sooooooo stupid?
 





I like how they stated Tinsley was swinging a board but then said when they brought him back to be identified no one could. so maybe he wasn't there, and maybe they should have not mentioned his name. Just a thought.
 

this is no shock on brewster's part. he comes forward with things when he knows he's bound to get caught. he covers up the rest...no different from most other fb coaches.

what pisses me off is the actions of these kids. do they not get it? i know a lot of them are marginal students, but they can't be this dumb? they are headed into their biggest rival game, and they can't stop fighting for a week? we need every player (well, every good one) - dont' they want to play against wisconsin at the big ten opener? stay home, stay as sober as possible, and concentrate on football during the season. is that too much to ask?
 

Schnoodler said:
I like how they stated Tinsley was swinging a board but then said when they brought him back to be identified no one could. so maybe he wasn't there, and maybe they should have not mentioned his name. Just a thought.
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My thought too. I think the Daily could be liable if he wanted to file a lawsuit or something like that. I can't believe the editors let that fly. It didn't even say he "allegedly" swung a board. It stated it as a fact. Absolutely horrible journalism right there and leaves the Daily liable.
 

Schnoodler said:
I like how they stated Tinsley was swinging a board but then said when they brought him back to be identified no one could. so maybe he wasn't there, and maybe they should have not mentioned his name. Just a thought.
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could just be like that kansas fight case, no one wanted to be the one to identify an athlete and possibly face the reprocussions of doing so.
 

facts

Tinsley was swinging a board in the air
Campus cops showed up, Tinsley ran (I'm assuming others did too if it really was a 'brawl')
nobody IDs Tinsley as having anything to do with said 'brawl'

Obviously not a good look but so far I see no crimes committed.
 

Schlic Daddy said:
My thought too. I think the Daily could be liable if he wanted to file a lawsuit or something like that. I can't believe the editors let that fly. It didn't even say he "allegedly" swung a board. It stated it as a fact. Absolutely horrible journalism right there and leaves the Daily liable.
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Sorry, but there's nothing wrong with this from a journalism standpoint. Here's what the article said:

University police officers passing by in an unmarked car saw Gopher linebacker Gary Tinsley “swinging around a wood board during the fight,” according to the police report.(emphasis added)​

It's an attributed quote and from a written source document. If it were not attributed or it came from a victim, it might be appropriate to say it was "alleged" but no such qualification is needed in this case. And there's absolutely no liability attaching to the Daily unless there is no written report and/or the Daily knew it was a false statement.

We may not like the message, but there's no basis for attacking the Daily as the messenger in this situation.

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Tinsley ran from the scene “extremely fast” when a uniformed University police officer arrived. The officer fired several rounds of PepperBall chemical irritant at Tinsley, who was undeterred by the measure and escaped by cutting between houses on the block, according to a University police report.
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Sounds like this kid has got speed and tenacity.
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
http://www.mndaily.com/2009/09/29/gopher-football-players-involved-dinkytown-brawl

This really sucks. College kid's party and underage drink it's what they do but sometimes you have to use your head
and not get yourself in these types of situations. These guy's gotta realize there somewhat public figures even if they are students
that anything they do in public reflects on themselves, the coaches and the University. They obviously do not have as much respect
for the coaching staff as they should have or they would not be bringing this kind of negative publicity to the program.

No matter how pissed you are, often times it is better to walk away and not fight then to get your name in the paper.
You can be a tough guy and still walk away at times, it is better than getting arrested or getting your name plastered in the media. Getting named in the paper, that is doghouse city and probably sitting the bench. What's next Fox9, KSTP investigative reports, this is all we need.
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This whole article wreaks of bull*&^@#*&^@#*&^@#*&^@#. Police identified Tinsley so why did they need any of the students to identify him? Guys tells a cop with a gun leveled on him to go ahead and shoot, gets tazed and restrained, and then is given a proverbial traffic ticket for underage consumption. Cops witness a brawl with 20 kids and NOBODY got arrested?

Ridiculous. Not saying that there weren't incidents on campus on Sat night (OMG), but seriously, when a 50 person brawl happens...somebody goes to jail. When cops have to fire pepper spray balls into a crowd and at someone, they arrest them.

Total crap.
 

If a football player says "Go ahead and &@## shoot me" to a cop..... buh-bye. Game over.
 

As a police officer working for a large police department I may have some insight on this matter...

Tinsley may have been seen by a police officer swinging a board in a large group of people fighting in the street. However, when police arrive on scene, people tend to not want to stick around. Yeah, funny how that happens. In this case it doesn't sound like Tinsley actually struck anybody with the board otherwise an assault report would have been taken. More often then not when we encounter this sort of situation the popular saying of "No victim, No crime" comes to mind.

The news article also fails to mention how Tinsley was "swinging" the board. Whether he was simply in possession of the board and waving it around in the air in an attempt to show people he had a board and to protect himself or possibly just as a show of force so others would not come after him. Or if he was indeed attempting to strike people with the board in which case a victim would have to be present to identify Tinsley as the suspect. A very important fact.

The fact that 20+ people fighting in the street and nobody going to jail is interesting. But if the fighting is mutual, no primary aggressors can be determined, and differing statements from the 20+ people and witnesses occurs, people may get arrested for a disorderly conduct charge and that is it. More often then not the group is told to disperse unless the situation becomes a reoccuring problem and then arrests will be made.

Take this as it is. I work in an inner-city area and not on a college campus. I have no knowledge of the area that this fight occured in, the history of violence at the location, or how busy the police department was at the time of the fight. All of these factor into the decisions made by the police officers.
 

Schlic Daddy said:
My thought too. I think the Daily could be liable if he wanted to file a lawsuit or something like that. I can't believe the editors let that fly. It didn't even say he "allegedly" swung a board. It stated it as a fact. Absolutely horrible journalism right there and leaves the Daily liable.
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Absolutely horrible blogposting on your part. MN Daily is getting the information from a police report and the reporter states that in the first two paragraphs. Learn how to read, learn how to use primary sources and learn how to not be an idiot.
 

Studwell55 said:
If a football player says "Go ahead and &@## shoot me" to a cop..... buh-bye. Game over.
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No football player said this...... it was a seperate incident with some student who got into an argument playing "capture the flag".
 

University police officers passing by in an unmarked car saw Gopher linebacker Gary Tinsley “swinging around a wood board during the fight,” according to the police report.
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Are we sure it wasn't a chair leg? It is Wisconsin week, after all...
 

Wisconsin week

I don't condone what happened at all, and these players need to learn some self-control and not be baited. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if this is related to WI week. I know from my time at the U that there are many, many cheeseheads at the U who remain die-hard Badger/Packer/Brewer, etc fans. This may have been started with a bunch of Badger smack-talk at the Gopher players.
 

Jike Spingleton said:
Are we sure it wasn't a chair leg? It is Wisconsin week, after all...
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Nicely played lol.

This sucks though, first suspensions and now this brawl report. Not good to have these distractions leading up to the Badger game. And hopefully whatever happened will be handled accordingly by Brewster and the athletic dept.
 

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