Sid: There is no doubt that Weber can make Leidner a better quarterback.

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Lordshawesome said:
Can I get through one post without the "Blah, blah, wren types to long of posts" crap?... Wren then goes on a diatribe in defence, then it turns into a 2 page verbal pissing contest that has NOTHING to do with the original post. Why don't you guys who constantly derail the posts meet at a bar, get drunk and bitch slap each other until one of you is named king of the "Pay attention to me" posters?
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Yes, I can clearly see you don't like posts that have NOTHING to do with the original post. Good talk.
 

Unregistered User said:
Was ranked by who? How recent?

I genuinely like Weber, and he may be one of the smartest QBs in NCAA history for all I know, but whomever wrote this for Sid is clearly pulling this out of their butt.
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Sid has been a patsy since the 50's. Gopher football players loved planting silly info with him to see if he'd print it...and he always did. He's the only person in the world with 1,477 close personal friends. He is a mean spirited, foul-mouthed man with a great work ethic. It's true he has helped a lot of people. But he is an ass kisser who has done more harm than good in his defense of failed Gopher football coaches in the past saying it's impossible to recruit here, which is why we always fail. He lives in a black and white world and he's always right. He has statues and benefits in his honor and is highly esteemed by most sports fans. He also has better contacts than most. I find it ironic that someone with such poor hearing (no fault of his, obviously) would be the voice of a hearing aid company. He can extoll their products but they certainly don't work for him. Mona has to repeat every single phone call for Sid. I know I'll get ripped for daring to say this, but I'm tired of his rude, know-it-all act.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Quite the Gopher fan you are.

Assuming you meant Fruechte, given that he has 32 career receptions, and assuming a 50% completion rate (just for giggles), does that mean we've thrown the ball a total of 128 times in the last 2 years?
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I felt bad not taking the time to get the proper spelling for Fruechte, I was in a hurry, I don't understand your math how does 32 and 50% get to 128?

I shouldn't have singled him out like he was the only receiver but my point was Gray/Shortell/Nelson/Leidner have been passing to an average to below average receiving core and Weber had the luxury of passing to Decker. So unless Adam is going to tell Mitch how to spot the future Decker on this squad, I'm not sure he's that qualified to give next level advice.
 

Aside from Decker and McKnight, Gopher WRs have been rather average for some time. Right now, the Gophers have a receiver that might be a better receiver than either of them. Problem is he's a TE.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Aside from Decker and McKnight, Gopher WRs have been rather average for some time. Right now, the Gophers have a receiver that might be a better receiver than either of them. Problem is he's a TE.
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Your comment makes no sense. Williams is a very good receiving TE but if you are trying to imply that he would be a better WR then Decker I could not disagree with you more. They are different types of players that play different positions.
 


MNVCGUY said:
Your comment makes no sense. Williams is a very good receiving TE but if you are trying to imply that he would be a better WR then Decker I could not disagree with you more. They are different types of players that play different positions.
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No, I am saying the best receiver on the Gophers right now is a TE.
 

LakerFan said:
I don't understand your math how does 32 and 50% get to 128?
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32 completions to "Freckte", with a 50% completion rate, equals 64 attempts to "Freckte"

If they threw half of their passes to "Freckte", that would be 128 attempts total.
 

LakerFan said:
I'm not sure he's that qualified to give next level advice.
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Let me see if I got this straight...

Passing Yards
1. Weber 10,917
2. Cupito 7,446

Attempts
1. Weber 1,594
2. Sauter 945

Completions
1. Weber 909
2. Sauter 539

TDs
1. Weber 72
2. Cupito/AAK 55

All the playbooks he's seen, all the pounding he's taken, all the lows and the occasional highs he's experienced, all the stadiums he played in, all the media attention he received.....he may not be qualified to give advice to a sophomore quarterback on the Gopher roster?

Only Spaeth had more yards as a tight end in a season than Lair and Tow-Arnett. They are 2nd and 3rd thanks in part to Weber. May be only relevant if Kill decides tight ends are important.
 




Maximus said:
Passing Yards
1. Weber 10,917
2. Cupito 7,446

Attempts
1. Weber 1,594
2. Sauter 945

Completions
1. Weber 909
2. Sauter 539

TDs
1. Weber 72
2. Cupito/AAK 55
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Doesn't that attempts number seem to explain the completions, yardage, and TD numbers (in comparison)? I'm guessing his INT and incompletion numbers would also rank highest for the same reasons.

Being first in attempts doesn't make you the best ever - it simply means you were the best QB on that team for the 4-years you were there - and maybe that your teams needed to pass more than some others. Being highest in yds, completions, and TDs doesn't necessarily make you the best either, especially if you had the most attempts (by far). Nor does being highest in INTs make you the worst.

I'm trying not to go back down this debate, Dr Don asked me so nicely not to and I realize on in the minority on my view of Weber (on GH at least). However, there are way too many variables to pull out a few stats to make any specific point.

If Weber can make Leidner better than GREAT. He could be the greatest coach ever - I hope he is!
 

Intangibles.

What about the stuff you don't see on that list of numbers? If I'm not mistaken, Weber was the first (and only) 3-year captain in the history of the program. Someone correct me if I remember that wrong. That doesn't happen by accident. For a program with the history of the Gophers, that's in incredible accomplishment.

Answering the bell. All those numbers means he always answered the bell; played hurt, took care of himself to ensure that he was ABLE to play, etc. Yes, I was one that was very, very critical of M. Gray being given the QB spot and one of the reasons I was most critical of Gray was that he couldn't stay on the field. You CANNOT be a leader of the team if you're in the trainers room more than you're on the field.

Horse dead. My humble apologies for engaging, yet again.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Intangibles.

What about the stuff you don't see on that list of numbers? If I'm not mistaken, Weber was the first (and only) 3-year captain in the history of the program. Someone correct me if I remember that wrong. That doesn't happen by accident. For a program with the history of the Gophers, that's in incredible accomplishment.

Answering the bell. All those numbers means he always answered the bell; played hurt, took care of himself to ensure that he was ABLE to play, etc. Yes, I was one that was very, very critical of M. Gray being given the QB spot and one of the reasons I was most critical of Gray was that he couldn't stay on the field. You CANNOT be a leader of the team if you're in the trainers room more than you're on the field.

Horse dead. My humble apologies for engaging, yet again.
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Then stop :horse:
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
If I'm not mistaken, Weber was the first (and only) 3-year captain in the history of the program. Someone correct me if I remember that wrong. That doesn't happen by accident. For a program with the history of the Gophers, that's in incredible accomplishment.
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If you're one of the best players on a series of teams ranging from mediocre to historically bad...that doesn't necessarily mean that you're very good, or even any good at all.
 



Spoofin said:
Doesn't that attempts number seem to explain the completions, yardage, and TD numbers (in comparison)? I'm guessing his INT and incompletion numbers would also rank highest for the same reasons.

Being first in attempts doesn't make you the best ever - it simply means you were the best QB on that team for the 4-years you were there - and maybe that your teams needed to pass more than some others. Being highest in yds, completions, and TDs doesn't necessarily make you the best either, especially if you had the most attempts (by far). Nor does being highest in INTs make you the worst.

I'm trying not to go back down this debate, Dr Don asked me so nicely not to and I realize on in the minority on my view of Weber (on GH at least). However, there are way too many variables to pull out a few stats to make any specific point.

If Weber can make Leidner better than GREAT. He could be the greatest coach ever - I hope he is!
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yep, this pretty much sums up Weber. The thing is, most of Weber's success came while Decker was playing (and healthy). When Decker wasn't there for him, Weber looked no better, certainly, than Nelson or Leidner last year. Weber had trouble completing 5 yard passes to wide open receivers.

Now I'm not saying he can't teach Leidner and not saying he can't be the greatest QB coach in the history of football. What I am saying is that the statistics that Weber accounted for in and of themselves certainly do not entitle him to be a great QB coach. But let's hope he is!
 

Careful cncmin. You are on thin ice taking that stance in the GH. :)
 

Cncmin...If we can't believe in statistics, what can we believe in? :cool02:
 

Dr.Don said:
Cncmin...If we can't believe in statistics, what can we believe in? :cool02:
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I love statistics and apply statistical analysis for a living. But those career stats don't mean what many in here infer that they mean (the inference that Weber was a great quarterback based on additive statistics). That's the point Spoofin and I are making.
 

cncmin said:
yep, this pretty much sums up Weber. The thing is, most of Weber's success came while Decker was playing (and healthy). When Decker wasn't there for him, Weber looked no better, certainly, than Nelson or Leidner last year. Weber had trouble completing 5 yard passes to wide open receivers.

Now I'm not saying he can't teach Leidner and not saying he can't be the greatest QB coach in the history of football. What I am saying is that the statistics that Weber accounted for in and of themselves certainly do not entitle him to be a great QB coach. But let's hope he is!
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I respect your opinion (and others) who don't think he was very good. However, I can't stand when people make statements like this that just aren't true.

Weber's highest yards per attempt and TD/INT ratio were during his senior year. And I know what the response is going to be: "We were 3-9 that year so his stats were inflated because we were so far behind all the time. Six of the nine losses were by 12 or less. Weber's best game was in his junior year against Michigan St. when Decker was hurt. Statistically, his numbers were not that much different when Decker was playing and when he wasn't.

I'm not saying Decker didn't help Weber, but maybe Weber helped Decker a little too. Nah, that can't be the case. QB's never make WRs better.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Weber ever missed a game in his career. I believe he started every game in his career, something Nelson and Leidner have not been able to do.

Oh, and I don't think everyone who defends Weber thinks he was a great QB. Just that I don't think he was a bad one either. Bad QB's don't get invited to NFL camps.
 

cncmin said:
I love statistics and apply statistical analysis for a living. But those career stats don't mean what many in here infer that they mean (the inference that Weber was a great quarterback based on additive statistics). That's the point Spoofin and I are making.
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So you love statistics, unless statistics disagree with your opinion?

I think you belong in the Climate Change statistical discussions.
 


GophersInIowa said:
I'm not saying Decker didn't help Weber, but maybe Weber helped Decker a little too.
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I respect your opinion man, really do, but Weber helped Decker look better? I think we just left reality.
 

Dr.Don said:
So you love statistics, unless statistics disagree with your opinion?

I think you belong in the Climate Change statistical discussions.
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I think the point they are making is that, based on career averages, if Bryan Cupito has the same number of attempts, he throws for 12000+ yards and 96 TDs.

Weber has 600 more attempts than the 2nd place QB, he damn well better have every record.
 

Spoofin said:
I respect your opinion man, really do, but Weber helped Decker look better? I think we just left reality.
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You're so stuck in the "Weber sucked" state of mind you aren't even trying to understand what I'm saying. You don't think it was an advantage to work with the same QB for three years?

I respect your opinion as well, but you'd think I'm saying Weber was as good as Peyton Manning the way you're reacting to some of the posts.
 

GophersInIowa said:
You're so stuck in the "Weber sucked" state of mind you aren't even trying to understand what I'm saying. You don't think it was an advantage to work with the same QB for three years?

I respect your opinion as well, but you'd think I'm saying Weber was as good as Peyton Manning the way you're reacting to some of the posts.
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Fair enough. I wasn't a Weber fan and I will leave it at that. BTW, I don't think he sucked. Also, he gave me the joy on Halloween night of an unbelievable performance. That game will always be the first thing I think of when I hear his name.
 

Spoofin said:
Fair enough. I wasn't a Weber fan and I will leave it at that. BTW, I don't think he sucked. Also, he gave me the joy on Halloween night of an unbelievable performance. That game will always be the first thing I think of when I hear his name.
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Yeah it's kinda a never ending argument on here. I always get sucked into it and probably shouldn't. Hopefully this thread can just die now.
 


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The further away from Weber's playing time we get, the more he'll probably be appreciated. Especially if the program continues to improve and let us laugh at the misery that was created by the Brewster era. He's got plenty of knowledge that he can pass along to Leidner, including how to handle the pressure of being the QB at home.
 

GophBen said:
The further away from Weber's playing time we get, the more he'll probably be appreciated. Especially if the program continues to improve and let us laugh at the misery that was created by the Brewster era. He's got plenty of knowledge that he can pass along to Leidner, including how to handle the pressure of being the QB at home.
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Ben, don't you dare challenge the expertise of our GH'ers who claim that Weber was a horseschidt QB.
 

GophBen said:
The further away from Weber's playing time we get, the more he'll probably be appreciated. Especially if the program continues to improve and let us laugh at the misery that was created by the Brewster era. He's got plenty of knowledge that he can pass along to Leidner, including how to handle the pressure of being the QB at home.
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Except he wouldn't fit in Kill's offense.
 

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