Sid: Gary Tinsley will not face felony charges

[littlebigboy]

I still think people are blowing this out of proportion. I don't know about all the holyer than thou people, but if the police raided a party how many wouldn't run? College kids do dumb things a few staduim steps and you can cure that stuff.

 

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I still think people are blowing this out of proportion. I don't know about all the holyer than thou people, but if the police raided a party how many wouldn't run? College kids do dumb things a few staduim steps and you can cure that stuff.

In high school I ran. In college I stayed to make sure the po-pos weren't poo-pooing on my civil liberties!

 

[ZPI]

So the DUI isnt dumb? I realize it was a moped. (i think thats what i read), but still. this time it was a moped. next time i could be a car. And it could hurt someone. And he wont learn unless he penalized severly.

I'm glad someone posted that. Our society in general is way to lax on DUI punishment. We have among the toughest underage drinking laws in the world, but we have among the most lax DUI punishment in the world. Can someone explain that to me?

It doesn't matter if it was a moped or if he was close to .08. People who drive drunk will almost certainly do it again, and they have probably done it a number of times before they were caught. What kind of message does it send if he gets a slap on the wrist game or two suspension? I'm not trying to be all high and mighty on the subject, but I think people don't take it seriously enough.

 

[MNGophers11]

I still think people are blowing this out of proportion. I don't know about all the holyer than thou people, but if the police raided a party how many wouldn't run? College kids do dumb things a few staduim steps and you can cure that stuff.

Yes, because that approach worked so well the first time with Tinsley, the first and second times with Maresh and the first 3 or 4 times with Whaley etc etc etc...

 

[Costa Rican Gopher]

I'm not trying to be all high and mighty on the subject, but I think people don't take it seriously enough.

It's not like he was headed out to Sturgis on that thing. A DUI on a moped? You're right I'm not taking it that seriously.

 

[hyaluronic]

I'm glad someone posted that. Our society in general is way to lax on DUI punishment. We have among the toughest underage drinking laws in the world, but we have among the most lax DUI punishment in the world. Can someone explain that to me?

It doesn't matter if it was a moped or if he was close to .08. People who drive drunk will almost certainly do it again, and they have probably done it a number of times before they were caught. What kind of message does it send if he gets a slap on the wrist game or two suspension? I'm not trying to be all high and mighty on the subject, but I think people don't take it seriously enough.

Philosophically, the two should be reversed, IMO. Adults drink, and our society treats it like the end of the world if they are not the magic number, "21."

Anyhow, your BAC does make a huge difference. The difference between .01 to .02 or .02 to .03, etc., is minimal. We, somewhat arbitrarily and somewhat based on facts, choose .08 as the magic number for intoxication, no matter the circumstances involved. I trust someone who is driving at .08 much more than someone at a .16 or .24. Should any be driving, heck no, but if you give me the choice I'll pick .08 every time, and I'm sure you would, too. So, yes, it does make a difference. However, people don't like grayscale when it comes to criminal matters, which is fine. Now, if you could put this person at a .08 in a semi trick or on a bicycle, which would you choose? Both are against the law, but you're going to choose a bike every time. So when it comes to punishments and plead agreements, these are factors that can and should be considered.

Is a two game suspension fair? Yes. He is going to be punished through the judicial system. It is not the team's job to "punish" him for his ills against society. It is the team's job to punish him for the negative publicity that he has brought to the team. He shouldn't be punished more or less severely because a number of players have recently made mistakes. Making an example out of GT is not fair to him, nor is it an effective way of curbing behavior.

 

[maxwellsmart]

I'm glad someone posted that. Our society in general is way to lax on DUI punishment. We have among the toughest underage drinking laws in the world, but we have among the most lax DUI punishment in the world. Can someone explain that to me?

It doesn't matter if it was a moped or if he was close to .08. People who drive drunk will almost certainly do it again, and they have probably done it a number of times before they were caught. What kind of message does it send if he gets a slap on the wrist game or two suspension? I'm not trying to be all high and mighty on the subject, but I think people don't take it seriously enough.

Thank goodness we dole out punishment in court based neither on what will almost certainly happen in the future nor what probably happened in the past. Hopefully you never experience this, but if you ever stand accused of a serious offense you'll be darn glad that's the way it works. Of course fairness of this sort is not required on a message board.

 

[ZPI]

A DUI on a moped? You're right I'm not taking it that seriously.

I think you should be. In it self as an isolated incident, I can see why you might not take it that seriously. However, I doubt Tinsley was thinking, "Well, its just a moped so its alright for me to drive." People who drive drunk in any situation are showing poor judgment, and its very possible this poor judgment will be made again, and next time he may have a 0.18, be in a car, or have children in the car. It might not be for years down the road, but it could happen. I just think the type of punishment he will receive (fine, license suspended for a little while, ect.) will not have any chance at deterring future risky behaviors.

Anyhow, your BAC does make a huge difference. The difference between .01 to .02 or .02 to .03, etc., is minimal. We, somewhat arbitrarily and somewhat based on facts, choose .08 as the magic number for intoxication, no matter the circumstances involved. I trust someone who is driving at .08 much more than someone at a .16 or .24. Should any be driving, heck no, but if you give me the choice I'll pick .08 every time, and I'm sure you would, too. So, yes, it does make a difference. However, people don't like grayscale when it comes to criminal matters, which is fine. Now, if you could put this person at a .08 in a semi trick or on a bicycle, which would you choose? Both are against the law, but you're going to choose a bike every time. So when it comes to punishments and plead agreements, these are factors that can and should be considered.

Point taken. Obviously, 0.08 on a bike is better than 0.20 in a truck. I would also agree that those factors should be used for punishments like you said. I guess the point I was trying to make is that the minimum penalty for drunk driving is too low. Like I said, most drunk drivers caught for the first time have probably drove drunk before, and they probably will again. So many people drive drunk because the punishments and enforcement are not stringent enough.

 

[ZPI]

Thank goodness we dole out punishment in court based neither on what will almost certainly happen in the future nor what probably happened in the past. Hopefully you never experience this, but if you ever stand accused of a serious offense you'll be darn glad that's the way it works. Of course fairness of this sort is not required on a message board.

I'm not only talking about this specific situation. DUI punishments in general are not harsh enough, IMO. I just think that minimum DUI punishments should be more stringent based on the risk factors associated with drunk driving that I was referring too.

 

[STPGopher]

And i am aware of the mall incident with Royce, but this still is wayyyyy worse then what White has done in his short time at the U

Due to a few recent underage drinking related deaths, I can see why they are cracking down on the drinking thing.

 

[Mulligan]

He shouldn't be punished more or less severely because a number of players have recently made mistakes. Making an example out of GT is not fair to him, nor is it an effective way of curbing behavior.

"Made mistakes" is a euphemism for being a dumb ass because you're not listening to your coach. I'm assuming these guys are counseled, lectured, warned, etc. repeatedly about not doing stupid things. If they keep doing them with all of this, consequences should get more severe. A line eventually needs to be drawn. Whether Tinsley has crossed the line or merely gotten closer, that's up to Brewster to decide. Each incident by itself by these guys hasn't been that big a deal, but it's the sum total. If you don't care how this stuff reflects on the U, you probably do care about how the team plays. How many times do you suppose the team was called "undisciplined" by an announcer during a game last year. Can't convince me the undisciplined play on the field and the misbehavior off of it aren't related.

 

[Governor Sibley]

Good news for Professor Tinsley.

 

[josh087]

Originally Posted by SPCPrice21
He isnt a theieve. He got charge for trespassing since he didnt reallly do anything. And I think getting 2 felony charges for fleeing police and a misdemeaner for DUI is worst. Even if the felony charges were drop. Trespassing < DUI... Royce = off team. GT = Two game suspension?

Did you miss the part where Royce stole hundreds of dollars of clothing from the Mall of America, roughed up the toy cop trying to detain him, and then fully admitted wrongdoing in both instances? Yeah, I guess you missed that part. He is most certainly a "theieve".

Yeeeh, dats the one. You gotta love when DP calls people out.

 

[husker70]

Wait Just a minute, we need a lawyer.

Tinsley was arrested, and released. The question left unanswered is has he been charged with anything? Or is he waiting for the DA to file charges for the misdemeanor? Or is he charged with the misdemeanor?

 

[hyaluronic]

"Made mistakes" is a euphemism for being a dumb ass because you're not listening to your coach. I'm assuming these guys are counseled, lectured, warned, etc. repeatedly about not doing stupid things. If they keep doing them with all of this, consequences should get more severe. A line eventually needs to be drawn. Whether Tinsley has crossed the line or merely gotten closer, that's up to Brewster to decide. Each incident by itself by these guys hasn't been that big a deal, but it's the sum total. If you don't care how this stuff reflects on the U, you probably do care about how the team plays. How many times do you suppose the team was called "undisciplined" by an announcer during a game last year. Can't convince me the undisciplined play on the field and the misbehavior off of it aren't related.

You can argue that punishments, in general, have not been severe enough, and then by that rationale impose harsher punishments in the future. However, giving greater punishment simply because other players have made the police blotter is not fair. Different teams in different years may need harsher or looser punishments to get the message across - and if that is what you are implicitly arguing, then I would agree. On the other hand, it is not accurate to assume stricter punishments will deter behavior - this often is not the case (see the death penalty). Creating a system of accountability is the bottom line.

I certainly care about how the players' actions reflect on the U. I wouldn't assume the two are related, though it's certainly possible.