Shama: P.J. Fleck quietly has his name mentioned by Gophers boosters as future coach

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I think some of the posters here have memories like goldfish.

The fact that we are in a position to complain about HOW we win means that things are going pretty good here (for now). We are not that far removed from being a Purdue and losing some awful non-conference games. We are 7-2. A coach at MN who is 7-2 should not be replaced. This is especially true in that coach's first year.

We are 7-2.
We have a trio of FR on defense that are as impressive as any true FR that I can remember here.
We have two dynamic SO RBs.
Things look pretty good and Claeys has been a big part of that.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
And Jerry Kill was 1-10 his first year at Southern Illinois. Many coaches have bad first years when they are taking over a bad program and don't have any of their recruits.
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Not even a close comparison as Kill was a HC for eight years before he got to So Ill, and did not go from there to a P5 HC position. Kill was a veteran HC with a long track record by the time he came to MN.

Plus you completely missed my point. Actually kind of proving it again. W. Michigan averaged 6 wins a season in the 16 years prior to his arrival...so not a turnaround situation of a bad program. Maybe do a little research.

Let's see where TC is in year four...if PJ wins out this year he'll have what, 29 wins in four years?
 

Lakeville Goldy said:
I wouldn't necessarily agree that it's idiotic. People get promoted beyond their ability all the time and realize it. Limegrover is a classic example. I think he would have taken a demotion to remain as OL coach if offered. As I listen to Coach Claeys he does sound somewhat detached and uninterested, more so than previous years in my opinion. I get he's not Tim Brewster rah rah, but sometimes he comes across less excited about coaching than Vince Lombardi's corpse.

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not saying this is likely. The main argument against is if he was feeling overwhelmed and if he was considering this why would he imply multiple times that he needs an extension? Why not just say something like "AD Coyle and I will discuss my status at the end of the season"?

But idiotic is a little hyperbolic, no?
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Clayes isn't bored. He's just got a hell of a poker face.

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GopherWeatherGuy said:
You think Claeys, who has been Kill's right hand man for 20 years, would say no to recruits that Kill said yes to?
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Considering he did to a couple recruits right after taking over I'm going to go with Yes.


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Spoofin said:
Considering he did to a couple recruits right after taking over I'm going to go with Yes.
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I mean, it's not as though Claeys would fire an assistant that had worked for Kill for decades, right? He's clearly Kill's lackey.
 


I vote this thread as one of the dumbest I have ever come across on GH.
 

SamSquatch said:
One thing Claeys needs to stop immediately is whining publicly for an extension. He did it twice this week - on his Gopher show on KFAN and to the Pioneer Press. He uses it as an answer to avoid a question he doesn't like. It's transparently selfish, mostly because of the choppy and poorly spoken way he brings it up, and it's unbecoming of a coach. It seems indicative of his overall character, but mostly, he just comes off like a whiny mingus.
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You are a sucky troll mingus. Blocked!
 


When the boosters start writing checks like they do at other schools to pay a coach a real salary, buy him a house, etc we might get a coach who matters...until then we need to build one.
 



PMWinSTP said:
Not even a close comparison as Kill was a HC for eight years before he got to So Ill, and did not go from there to a P5 HC position. Kill was a veteran HC with a long track record by the time he came to MN.

Plus you completely missed my point. Actually kind of proving it again. W. Michigan averaged 6 wins a season in the 16 years prior to his arrival...so not a turnaround situation of a bad program. Maybe do a little research.

Let's see where TC is in year four...if PJ wins out this year he'll have what, 29 wins in four years?
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W. Michigan won 4 games the year before Fleck was hired. That's the roster he inherited. It doesn't matter what they did the previous 16 years.

We can use Alvarez and Ferentz again if you'd like. Alvarez's first head coaching job was Wisconsin and he won 1 game his first year. Ferentz only won 3 games his first two seasons at Maine, then won 1 his first season at Iowa.

Plenty of good coaches have had bad first years when taking over a new program.
 

Spoofin said:
Considering he did to a couple recruits right after taking over I'm going to go with Yes.
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I don't doubt there would be a few here and a few there, but it wouldn't be radically different. Even if I say Claeys and staff didn't want any of the offensive recruits, he still is responsible for the defensive recruits.

Still pretty good as a first year head coach to inherit 50% of roster you helped to recruit, when typical first year head coaches inherit 0%.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I think some of the posters here have memories like goldfish.

The fact that we are in a position to complain about HOW we win means that things are going pretty good here (for now). We are not that far removed from being a Purdue and losing some awful non-conference games. We are 7-2. A coach at MN who is 7-2 should not be replaced. This is especially true in that coach's first year.

We are 7-2.
We have a trio of FR on defense that are as impressive as any true FR that I can remember here.
We have two dynamic SO RBs.
Things look pretty good and Claeys has been a big part of that.
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Plus 1. This board is getting more ridiculous every year.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
W. Michigan won 4 games the year before Fleck was hired. That's the roster he inherited. It doesn't matter what they did the previous 16 years.

We can use Alvarez and Ferentz again if you'd like. Alvarez's first head coaching job was Wisconsin and he won 1 game his first year. Ferentz only won 3 games his first two seasons at Maine, then won 1 his first season at Iowa.

Plenty of good coaches have had bad first years when taking over a new program.
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Yep...and 7 the previous year. Funny, I used those two coaches as examples in the other thread. I'm not seeing how you are not continuing to prove my point. TC is going to win 7+games his first season. How about we give him the opportunity these other coaches got and see how he stacks up...
 



PMWinSTP said:
Yep...and 7 the previous year. Funny, I used those two coaches as examples in the other thread. I'm not seeing how you are not continuing to prove my point. TC is going to win 7+games his first season. How about we give him the opportunity these other coaches got and see how he stacks up...
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And as I and others have said, Claeys is not a typical first year head coach taking over a new program and he's not going to be treated as such. He's said it himself. You can argue it's unfair, and that's your opinion. If he was 100% guaranteed to be here next year, he'd already have an extension in hand.
 

If Claeys is go to be back next year he has to be given a 2-3 year extension prior to the bowl game.


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Iceland12 said:
You looked at his previous posts too huh? ;)
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That's not accurate. I get the conclusion given my previous posts are mostly just scores in which the Gophers lose. Truly I just usually pick based off what I think will happen given how the team looks in a given year, and within the context of the teams history. I don't post on the more text heavy discussion board threads much because it too often devolves into vitriol.

I am a fan, did both undergrad and grad school at the U. I root for the program but do not think Tracy Claeys is the right coach for the future.
 

gophmeister said:
Interesting that someone went on the record about the job.
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Actually, a booster quietly mentioning Fleck's name without putting his own name behind the mention is the exact opposite of going on record.
 

SamSquatch said:
One thing Claeys needs to stop immediately is whining publicly for an extension. He did it twice this week - on his Gopher show on KFAN and to the Pioneer Press. He uses it as an answer to avoid a question he doesn't like. It's transparently selfish, mostly because of the choppy and poorly spoken way he brings it up, and it's unbecoming of a coach. It seems indicative of his overall character, but mostly, he just comes off like a whiny mingus.
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1) He didn't voluntarily whine for an extension. He was asked about it on his radio show, and uncomfortably tried to come up with an answer on the spot. He clearly wasn't going out of his way to campaign for some big extension.

2) He didn't whine to the Pioneer Press. The Pioneer Press was quoting the answer he gave on his radio show.

You make it sound like Claeys spent all week calling people demanding a contract extension. Fact of the matter is, he spent a 40-seconds on his radio show answering a question he likely didn't want the host asking him.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
And as I and others have said, Claeys is not a typical first year head coach taking over a new program and he's not going to be treated as such. He's said it himself. You can argue it's unfair, and that's your opinion. If he was 100% guaranteed to be here next year, he'd already have an extension in hand.
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He is a first year HC, in his first year of a 3-year contract but he should have already signed an extension...OK, got.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
And as I and others have said, Claeys is not a typical first year head coach taking over a new program and he's not going to be treated as such. He's said it himself. You can argue it's unfair, and that's your opinion. If he was 100% guaranteed to be here next year, he'd already have an extension in hand.
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Do you consider the OL at NMSU and the offensive players at ULL to be "Claeys recruits" too?


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PMWinSTP said:
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He is a first year HC, in his first year of a 3-year contract but he should have already signed an extension...OK, got.
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First year coaches aren't typically given 3-year deals. Most college football coaches are always on a deal that covers the next recruiting class, 4-5+ years. Claeys or any coach at Minnesota won't be coaching on a 2 year deal next year. Stop acting so naive.

Spoofin said:
Do you consider the OL at NMSU and the offensive players at ULL to be "Claeys recruits" too?
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Was Claeys and the majority of the staff at those two schools the last 6 years? When you recruit players to those schools, do you sell them about Minnesota and playing in the B1G? You're really grasping at straws now.

You don't have to believe me. But you should probably believe Claeys when he said this is the 6th year of the program, and he expected to win 10 with the schedule. Claeys is 100% safe until after the Wisconsin game. At that point Coyle could absolutely move in a different direction. There's no point to continue to argue in a circle until the season plays out.
 

tjgopher said:
1) He didn't voluntarily whine for an extension. He was asked about it on his radio show, and uncomfortably tried to come up with an answer on the spot. He clearly wasn't going out of his way to campaign for some big extension.

2) He didn't whine to the Pioneer Press. The Pioneer Press was quoting the answer he gave on his radio show.

You make it sound like Claeys spent all week calling people demanding a contract extension. Fact of the matter is, he spent a 40-seconds on his radio show answering a question he likely didn't want the host asking him.
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I haven't had time to re-listen to the KFAN interview. If you're correct, I'll certainly rescind my statement. But from memory, I'm fairly certain he was asked about recruiting and then stumbled his way through an answer about a contract extension. This should have been handled with more tact than it was. I don't think Gaard or Grim asked him specifically about a contract extension because that seems an out of place and odd question, but I'll give it another listen when time is available.

I understand that recruiting and coaching stability have some level of correlation, but I don't think it's very high when it comes to the talent the Gophers are pursuing. I highly doubt the current contract is materially effecting MN's recruiting capabilities.

His answer, either way, sounded extremely lame in that moment. His comments about an extension were likely simply a straw for me. I do not believe Claeys has shown the competency or character to be a high-level coach, and the Gophers should absolutely not be giving him any level of extension.
 

SamSquatch said:
I haven't had time to re-listen to the KFAN interview. If you're correct, I'll certainly rescind my statement. But from memory, I'm fairly certain he was asked about recruiting and then stumbled his way through an answer about a contract extension. This should have been handled with more tact than it was. I don't think Gaard or Grim asked him specifically about a contract extension because that seems an out of place and odd question, but I'll give it another listen when time is available.

His answer, either way, sounded extremely lame in that moment. His comments about an extension were likely simply a straw for me. I do not believe Claeys has shown the competency or character to be a high-level coach, and the Gophers should absolutely not be giving him any level of extension.
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Contract extensions and recruiting go hand-in-hand. A coach without a contract that extends to at least the end of your potential time at that school (4-5 years) is a giant flashing warning sign that the coach won't be there when you graduate or leave for the NFL. This isn't rocket science.
 



dpodoll68 said:
Contract extensions and recruiting go hand-in-hand. A coach without a contract that extends to at least the end of your potential time at that school (4-5 years) is a giant flashing warning sign that the coach won't be there when you graduate or leave for the NFL. This isn't rocket science.
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I acknowledge there is a correlation between recruiting and coaching contract. Claeys still has several years left. If next year is a bust, Claeys may go regardless of contract length. Recruits understand this. They are more clever than that.

Recruiting can be tough for MN, but I do not think it's because of contract length. The recent history of losing and mediocre to poor facilities combined with a misperception of weather/general environment are bigger. I would contend that the presence Claeys entails is another hindrance.

Recruiting and coaching stability do relate. But I think there are other factors whose influencing value are much higher in terms of recruiting success than length of contract.
 

SamSquatch said:
I acknowledge there is a correlation between recruiting and coaching contract. Claeys still has several years left. If next year is a bust, Claeys may go regardless of contract length. Recruits understand this. They are more clever than that.

Recruiting can be tough for MN, but I do not think it's because of contract length. The recent history of losing and mediocre to poor facilities combined with a misperception of weather are bigger. I would contend that the presence Claeys entails is another hindrance.

Recruiting and coaching stability do relate. But I think there are other factors whose influencing value are much higher in terms of recruiting success than length of contract.
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Recent history of losing? The team will go to a bowl game for the fifth straight year. No one has said that they're setting the world on fire, but at least be honest.

Mediocre to poor facilities? If a quarter-billion dollar stadium gets you "mediocre to poor", why has everyone been so excited about it?
 

dpodoll68 said:
Recent history of losing? The team will go to a bowl game for the fifth straight year. No one has said that they're setting the world on fire, but at least be honest.

Mediocre to poor facilities? If a quarter-billion dollar stadium gets you "mediocre to poor", why has everyone been so excited about it?
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I love TCF Bank Stadium and am so happy they built it. It is certainly a huge boon. It's sad to look at the Brewster era and see him letting Sam Maresh lead the team onto the field for game 1 at the new field and think about what might have been with that momentum harnessed by a competent coach. I have no issue with the facilities but I feel like I've heard others gripe about things, and so the need for the athletic village to be constructed.

I agree it's important to speak honestly about the program. The W/Ls are generally 6-7 or 8-5 over the last few years. Most of those wins coming from weak non-con games and the low end of our B1G brethren. Unfortunately, the Gophs have been consistently beaten by stronger conference foes and other P5 programs over that period. Other fanbases do not consider this a winning program, or even a potentially dangerous opponent. It's certainly correct to say they've won some. I suppose my comment on recent history of losing is relative to other B1G and P5 opponents. Especially in big games.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
First year coaches aren't typically given 3-year deals. Most college football coaches are always on a deal that covers the next recruiting class, 4-5+ years. Claeys or any coach at Minnesota won't be coaching on a 2 year deal next year. Stop acting so naive.



Was Claeys and the majority of the staff at those two schools the last 6 years? When you recruit players to those schools, do you sell them about Minnesota and playing in the B1G? You're really grasping at straws now.

You don't have to believe me. But you should probably believe Claeys when he said this is the 6th year of the program, and he expected to win 10 with the schedule. Claeys is 100% safe until after the Wisconsin game. At that point Coyle could absolutely move in a different direction. There's no point to continue to argue in a circle until the season plays out.
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Since 2014 there have been 61 new HCs hired in the FBS. In B1G there are 8 new HCs since 2014. If you are a 4 year senior this year, there is basically a 78% chance you've had a different HC than the one who recruited you. Outside of a handful of schools, no recruit should have any expectation that the HC recruiting them will be there all four/five years, regardless of the HC's contract length.
 

SamSquatch said:
I acknowledge there is a correlation between recruiting and coaching contract. Claeys still has several years left. If next year is a bust, Claeys may go regardless of contract length. Recruits understand this. They are more clever than that.

Recruiting can be tough for MN, but I do not think it's because of contract length. The recent history of losing and mediocre to poor facilities combined with a misperception of weather/general environment are bigger. I would contend that the presence Claeys entails is another hindrance.

Recruiting and coaching stability do relate. But I think there are other factors whose influencing value are much higher in terms of recruiting success than length of contract.
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Looking at the body of your posts and history, you are an obvious troll. Time to go back to mom's basement. Welcome to the ignore list.
 

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