Shama: P.J. Fleck quietly has his name mentioned by Gophers boosters as future coach

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His coaching blunders shouldn't be overlooked whether they were part of wins or losses. And they were involved in both.

I believe Claeys should be allowed to stay given his record at present. If we end the year with no trophy wins and a bowl loss, I think that's predictable. There are dozens of proper candidates out there that could have achieved just the same as Claeys has with his inherited squad, and they have a much higher ceiling.

As referenced, he just does not have a head coaches resume, so I find his nasally media requests for an extension extremely off-putting.

This coach has way to many flaws to be publically claiming a need for an extension. Get a sharp win over a good squad to end the season and I'll be impressed. Talk then.

Also Brewster has nothing to do with this. There were legitimate candidates then and there are still today. We just hired the buffoon that still frustrates fans today.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
I've said it before, but not sure he will make as big a jump as others think. Kiffin may never be a HC again because of how he handled a couple stops.

I think Purdue is a real option and potential MN if a change is made (Looking less likely).

As I also mentioned before, my home run would be to hire Fleck as HC and keep Claeys and some of the defensive staff.
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If you want to be taken seriously, stop posting stuff like the last paragraph.
 

SamSquatch said:
So when a doofy unproven coach starts softly requesting an extension during interviews, it's a turn off for me.
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Better than being a turn on, I guess.


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dpodoll68 said:
If you want to be taken seriously, stop posting stuff like the last paragraph.
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Chryst kept Aranda. I see no reason why coaches can't be retained, eg Sawvel if they are performing at a high level and have a track record of putting players in the NFL.

If you meant demoting Claeys is problematic then I agree but I think with Claey's retiring personality he might be willing to move back down the chain without much protest. However since the strength of the D has always been the back 7 and particularly the secondary it seems obvious to keep Sawvel as DC and give him a raise (playing the hypothetical scenario).
 

Dang, I am way too old. Had to do some searching to find the definition of mingus.
 




Section2 said:
http://www.twincities.com/2016/11/0...claeys-wants-contract-extension-just-not-yet/

The horror. Obviously he was asked about it and said that he enjoys being here and it would certainly help recruiting if we made a commitment to him. Given the near daily calls on this site for him to be fired, often mentioning his buyout, this doesn't sound like whining at all, actually seems pretty tame. Indicative of his character? he stayed here as DC when he had plenty of other opportunities. I'd say his character seems pretty dang high.
Transparently selfish? You just want a different coach. (not in response to gophers in iowa)

Also looking at Sam's past posts, he has only predicted the gophers to lose (often in blowout fashion)
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+1 deuce.....
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Chryst kept Aranda. I see no reason why coaches can't be retained, eg Sawvel if they are performing at a high level and have a track record of putting players in the NFL.

If you meant demoting Claeys is problematic then I agree but I think with Claey's retiring personality he might be willing to move back down the chain without much protest. However since the strength of the D has always been the back 7 and particularly the secondary it seems obvious to keep Sawvel as DC and give him a raise (playing the hypothetical scenario).
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No one said anything about Sawvel or other staff. There is plenty of precedent for a coach taking over and retaining assistants. The idea that Claeys would voluntarily self-demote and work under his successor is frankly idiotic.
 



dpodoll68 said:
No one said anything about Sawvel or other staff. There is plenty of precedent for a coach taking over and retaining assistants. The idea that Claeys would voluntarily self-demote and work under his successor is frankly idiotic.
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It's implausible. See, you can communicate the same thing without the insulting language.
 

Even if the boosters are calling for Fleck or whoever else... none of them give enough to influence coaching decisions.
 

SamSquatch said:
His coaching blunders shouldn't be overlooked whether they were part of wins or losses. And they were involved in both.

I believe Claeys should be allowed to stay given his record at present. If we end the year with no trophy wins and a bowl loss, I think that's predictable. There are dozens of proper candidates out there that could have achieved just the same as Claeys has with his inherited squad, and they have a much higher ceiling.

As referenced, he just does not have a head coaches resume, so I find his nasally media requests for an extension extremely off-putting.

This coach has way to many flaws to be publically claiming a need for an extension. Get a sharp win over a good squad to end the season and I'll be impressed. Talk then.

Also Brewster has nothing to do with this. There were legitimate candidates then and there are still today. We just hired the buffoon that still frustrates fans today.
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How can you possibly know this? Please elaborate.
 

I think some people are reading way to much into a throw away blurb by Shama. I have no doubt Coyle will take a hard look at things after the season. If we are heading into the bowl game at 7-5 I would not be surprised to see him make a change.
 



BarnBoy said:
How can you possibly know this? Please elaborate.
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Fair enough. I guess that statement is based on the fact that we've seen Claeys coach a season's worth of games, and it has been thoroughly unimpressive. His generally poor coaching decisions paired with his lack of resume and the lack of demand for his services anywhere else is indicative that others may have more to offer from a football coaching perspective.

It's certainly not a provable statement, but we have enough context to make the claim. We have to speak honestly about the decisions of our football coach, as well as being sincere in our understanding of his character and how that relates to effective leadership. None of this is dislike for the man as a person. This conversation is important and should be had. It can be had while still fully supporting our program.

Ski-u-mah.
 

Golden_Sloth said:
Even if the boosters are calling for Fleck or whoever else... none of them give enough to influence coaching decisions.
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It's also hard to tell if any have an actual relationship with the AD.

Coyle just got here administrative wise. Nobody seems to have any insight into what he is thinking.

But yeah if folks aren't willing to pay up... they're just talking.
 

SamSquatch said:
Fair enough. I guess that statement is based on the fact that we've seen Claeys coach a season's worth of games, and it has been thoroughly unimpressive. His generally poor coaching decisions paired with his lack of resume and the lack of demand for his services anywhere else is indicative that others may have more to offer from a football coaching perspective.

It's certainly not a provable statement, but we have enough context to make the claim. We have to speak honestly about the decisions of our football coach, as well as being sincere in our understanding of his character and how that relates to effective leadership. None of this is dislike for the man as a person. This conversation is important and should be had. It can be had while still fully supporting our program.

Ski-u-mah.
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Not sure I agree with your assessment, but the same can be said about Fleck...1-11 in his first year. Right now he's the new shiny object out there at the mid-major level.
 

dpodoll68 said:
No one said anything about Sawvel or other staff. There is plenty of precedent for a coach taking over and retaining assistants. The idea that Claeys would voluntarily self-demote and work under his successor is frankly idiotic.
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Luke Fickell, but that was a unique situation & I would hardly call his demotion "voluntary." I agree that it wouldn't happen.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Not sure I agree with your assessment, but the same can be said about Fleck...1-11 in his first year. Right now he's the new shiny object out there at the mid-major level.
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And Jerry Kill was 1-10 his first year at Southern Illinois. Many coaches have bad first years when they are taking over a bad program and don't have any of their recruits.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
And Jerry Kill was 1-10 his first year at Southern Illinois. Many coaches have bad first years when they are taking over a bad program and don't have any of their recruits.
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How many of the offensive or special teams players did Claeys play a role in recruiting?
 

dpodoll68 said:
How many of the offensive or special teams players did Claeys play a role in recruiting?
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Position coaches do the majority of the recruiting. Brian Andersen, Rob Reeves, Pat Poore, even Jay Sawvel recruited all of the skill position players on offense. All have been Gopher coaches for 6 years. A combination of those coaches and Limegrover were responsible for the offensive lineman. Zebrowski recruited Leidner and Nelson, but not Croft or Green.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Position coaches do the majority of the recruiting. Brian Andersen, Rob Reeves, Pat Poore, even Jay Sawvel recruited all of the skill position players on offense. All have been Gopher coaches for 6 years. A combination of those coaches and Limegrover were responsible for the offensive lineman. Zebrowski recruited Leidner and Nelson, but not Croft or Green.
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So none? The question was how many did Tracy choose.

You also seem to be mistaken who is recruiting someone because they are in a certain area with who made the decision to offer them.


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Spoofin said:
So none? The question was how many did Tracy choose.

You also seem to be mistaken who is recruiting someone because they are in a certain area with who made the decision to offer them.
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The position coaches are the ones who find the recruits, and have the majority of the contact with the recruits. The head coaches have some contact and are needed to close at times, but they don't have the knowledge of the recruits that the position coaches do.

It's no different than a company. The CEO doesn't do the hiring. He may be involved in the process at times, but ultimately it comes down to the managers to hire the right people.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
The position coaches are the ones who find the recruits, and have the majority of the contact with the recruits. The head coaches have some contact and are needed to close at times, but they don't have the knowledge of the recruits that the position coaches do.

It's no different than a company. The CEO doesn't do the hiring. He may be involved in the process at times, but ultimately it comes down to the managers to hire the right people.
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Good theory, but wrong. If you don't believe that Kill was the final say in every recruit that came in here then you didn't listen when he stated as much. Regardless, I still don't know why anything you have said would support these being "Tracy's recruits". You are simply trying to make pieces fit your narrative.


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Spoofin said:
Good theory, but wrong. If you don't believe that Kill was the final say in every recruit that came in here then you didn't listen when he stated as much. Regardless, I still don't know why anything you have said would support these being "Tracy's recruits". You are simply trying to make pieces fit your narrative.
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I never said the coach didn't have the final say.

Kill and Claeys are using the same position coaches to recruit outside of offensive line. You think Claeys, who has been Kill's right hand man for 20 years, would say no to recruits that Kill said yes to?
 

dpodoll68 said:
No one said anything about Sawvel or other staff. There is plenty of precedent for a coach taking over and retaining assistants. The idea that Claeys would voluntarily self-demote and work under his successor is frankly idiotic.
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I wouldn't necessarily agree that it's idiotic. People get promoted beyond their ability all the time and realize it. Limegrover is a classic example. I think he would have taken a demotion to remain as OL coach if offered. As I listen to Coach Claeys he does sound somewhat detached and uninterested, more so than previous years in my opinion. I get he's not Tim Brewster rah rah, but sometimes he comes across less excited about coaching than Vince Lombardi's corpse.

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not saying this is likely. The main argument against is if he was feeling overwhelmed and if he was considering this why would he imply multiple times that he needs an extension? Why not just say something like "AD Coyle and I will discuss my status at the end of the season"?

But idiotic is a little hyperbolic, no?
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Position coaches do the majority of the recruiting. Brian Andersen, Rob Reeves, Pat Poore, even Jay Sawvel recruited all of the skill position players on offense. All have been Gopher coaches for 6 years. A combination of those coaches and Limegrover were responsible for the offensive lineman. Zebrowski recruited Leidner and Nelson, but not Croft or Green.
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Croft -- as well as Streveler, McKinzy, and Leidner -- camped at Minnesota where they were seen by the entire coaching. Zebrowski may not have been Croft's lead recruiter, but he was involved in Croft's evaluation and the decision to offer him.
 

Claeys is a field general. fully in control at all times on the sideline and no one even dares come near him on the sidelines unless instructed. the dude is patton like
 

BleedGopher said:
per Shama:

P.J. Fleck—the young Western Michigan coach who has the undefeated Mid-American Conference Broncos ranked No. 14 by the Associated Press—quietly has his name mentioned by Gophers boosters as a future coach. Fleck is a media favorite who last week was featured by the New York Times and this week was written up by the Washington Post. Other national media coverage has come from Sports Illustrated and Forbes.com.

http://shamasportsheadliners.com/

Go Gophers!!
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I hope these boosters are willing to pony up some $$. PJ is probably going to cost 3.5m-5m a year.
 

Spoofin said:
Good theory, but wrong. If you don't believe that Kill was the final say in every recruit that came in here then you didn't listen when he stated as much. Regardless, I still don't know why anything you have said would support these being "Tracy's recruits". You are simply trying to make pieces fit your narrative.


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It seem to work well for a certain president elect.
 


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