Shadeur Sanders

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upnorthkid said:
Given he still makes incredibly head scratching decisions as a gameday coach,
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Any specifics?

I would be VERY surprised if an NFL team would take him as an HC without time as a coordinator or position coach there for awhile or him putting in a decade in college. You don’t get to build a roster of players who’s parents send their kids to you because you’re prime in the NFL.
upnorthkid said:
I agree with you he needs to do something to compete. He may also just chase his kids around and decide doing something like a football academy is more for him (he’d probably make a boatload doing this though I don’t think money “matters” per se anymore). It’ll be interesting to see what happens with him, especially once his kids and Hunter are gone but I’d put minimal stock in him having commits as evidence he’s staying the same way I would any coach
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FWIW, there was an article which discussed this earlier in the year and they said, they think he can be successful, as he is authentic and will connect well with players and can hire the needed coordinators.

I don’t think he’s a bigger reach than some of the other coaches hired previously, like Adam Gase.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
Any specifics?

I would be VERY surprised if an NFL team would take him as an HC without time as a coordinator or position coach there for awhile or him putting in a decade in college. You don’t get to build a roster of players who’s parents send their kids to you because you’re prime in the NFL.

FWIW, there was an article which discussed this earlier in the year and they said, they think he can be successful, as he is authentic and will connect well with players and can hire the needed coordinators.

I don’t think he’s a bigger reach than some of the other coaches hired previously, like Adam Gase.
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throwing late in multiple games that gave the ball back to other team with chance to lose (NDSU) and his clock management with timeouts, end of halves is poor.

Citing someone like Gase who was poor as a HC (this how much of that is him versus how much heaping disaster that’s been the jets for over a decade isn’t a super wonderful example given he also had coached at the nfl level for a decade prior to his shot. That’s what I’m meaning; he’d need a much longer track record at high power 4/5 or as an NFL coach first before you give him the reins unless you’re someone like Dallas

The coordinators part is always the kicker. You have to have people that match you and can implement your message if you’re not the one who calls plays/has a vision somewhere or call the plays. Makes you a less desirable commodity if you’re just coming in to play ceo at the nfl level. Maybe he does more with calling plays and such but it doesn’t seem that way this far and rather he seems to serve more as the figurehead of the team and lead recruiting guy for transfers
 


Section 100 said:
It's almost as if you're defending Shedeur's actions.

This season, we've seen a troubling pattern- fans throwing debris on the field over calls they don't like, and now a player shoving a ref. These behaviors show a complete lack of respect for authority and the integrity of the game. Disagreeing with calls is expected, but allowing that frustration to turn physical crosses the line.

Shedeur should be suspended for the next game or even the rest of the season. It won't happen, which speaks to a larger issue. The lack of respect for rules and authority has eroded over the past 10 years.

There's no reason for a player ever putting their hands on a ref.
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No Flag one of several plays. I'm not defending it but I am excusing it. Touching a referee is wrong but for me the circumstances of the day and the atmosphere of the game and the lack of control of the game by the officials resulted in a scrum. You got 5 refs in a pile and nobody throws a flag...what's that tell ya? Certainly should have been a flag and if they had called the previous fouls we don't escalate to the scrum. I'm blaming the refs. It's somewhere between touched and pushed versus shoved as well. We also don't know what everybody is screaming to add to the escalation of the situation.
Shedeur got physically abused, cheap shotted all day without any enforcement of the rules by the officials to control the game. Everybody has a breaking point, anybody can only endure so much bias.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
Any specifics?

I would be VERY surprised if an NFL team would take him as an HC without time as a coordinator or position coach there for awhile or him putting in a decade in college. You don’t get to build a roster of players who’s parents send their kids to you because you’re prime in the NFL.

FWIW, there was an article which discussed this earlier in the year and they said, they think he can be successful, as he is authentic and will connect well with players and can hire the needed coordinators.

I don’t think he’s a bigger reach than some of the other coaches hired previously, like Adam Gase.
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I’ve seen him choose to go first in overtime.
 



60's Guy said:
No Flag one of several plays. I'm not defending it but I am excusing it. Touching a referee is wrong but for me the circumstances of the day and the atmosphere of the game and the lack of control of the game by the officials resulted in a scrum. You got 5 refs in a pile and nobody throws a flag...what's that tell ya? Certainly should have been a flag and if they had called the previous fouls we don't escalate to the scrum. I'm blaming the refs. It's somewhere between touched and pushed versus shoved as well. We also don't know what everybody is screaming to add to the escalation of the situation.
Shedeur got physically abused, cheap shotted all day without any enforcement of the rules by the officials to control the game. Everybody has a breaking point, anybody can only endure so much bias.
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I mean both teams were whooping at each other all game. It’s been a pattern all year with Colorado. The same them citing their money, flashing watches at crowd, etc. there’s a reason you see this crap keep coming up and it’s not like any side is free of things. There were 200 yards of penalties in multiple games of theirs. It’s part of how both the sanders kids play for better or worse
 

upnorthkid said:
I mean both teams were whooping at each other all game. It’s been a pattern all year with Colorado. The same them citing their money, flashing watches at crowd, etc. there’s a reason you see this crap keep coming up and it’s not like any side is free of things. There were 200 yards of penalties in multiple games of theirs. It’s part of how both the sanders kids play for better or worse
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I don't disagree but the athletic directors need to be on top of things and communicate with the officials assignment person that you got refs scheduled for their games who can establish control of the game to prevent things from getting out of hand. Guys who can handle the situation. The guys Saturday did not.
Throw the dang flag...talk to em...tell em..."not today...you wanna talk you'll be watching on TV from the locker room." They wanna play. They'll shutup if you explain early on how it's going to be today, ALL DAY. Establish control, throw flags. Emphasize, not today.
Especially, gotta also flag the cheap stuff early.
 

btowngopher said:
I’ve seen him choose to go first in overtime.
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upnorthkid said:
Forgot about this one
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Things can be learned fairly quickly and to take a team that was 1-11 to where they are now, contending for a B12 conference playoff berth, two sure first rounders and the Heisman favorite.

Ten years college experience seems like a completely arbitrary number FWIW, as well.

I also don’t see him doing a football academy as well, no spotlight and being in the spotlight = commercials/another revenue stream.
 



Gopher_In_NYC said:
Things can be learned fairly quickly and to take a team that was 1-11 to where they are now, contending for a B12 conference playoff berth, two sure first rounders and the Heisman favorite.

Ten years college experience seems like a completely arbitrary number FWIW, as well.

I also don’t see him doing a football academy as well, no spotlight and being in the spotlight = commercials/another revenue stream.
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You don’t want your NFL head coach learning those things on gameday where a single loss can see you miss the playoffs, miss out on millions in revenue, and advance another year without a championship (and it’s why the avg NFL HC tenure is 3 years).

Don’t get me wrong, I think he could do it because I think he has the drive to do it if he wants. I just don’t see a franchise turning it over to him until he’s been in coaching longer. He’s at about 4.5 seasons at the collegiate level. Give it another 2-3 years and if he’s showing sustained success, maybe.

That said it only takes one team to fall in love with the idea but I think that’s part of where deions identity will be hard to know if it hurts or helps him
 

upnorthkid said:
You don’t want your NFL head coach learning those things on gameday where a single loss can see you miss the playoffs, miss out on millions in revenue, and advance another year without a championship (and it’s why the avg NFL HC tenure is 3 years).

Don’t get me wrong, I think he could do it because I think he has the drive to do it if he wants. I just don’t see a franchise turning it over to him until he’s been in coaching longer. He’s at about 4.5 seasons at the collegiate level. Give it another 2-3 years and if he’s showing sustained success, maybe.

That said it only takes one team to fall in love with the idea but I think that’s part of where deions identity will be hard to know if it hurts or helps him
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I believe there is revenue sharing in the NFL.
 


PMWinSTP said:
I believe there is revenue sharing in the NFL.
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Though I learned something about how the do the gate, etc during postseason (almost all is kicked back unlike other sports where it is much less), I was more meaning the revenue you generate in team interest, ticket prices/demand (they jack up prices when you are winning and for next seasons tickets. A good chunk of which they keep), jersey sales, partnerships/sponsors, etc going forward. A lost year or two in the NFL kills you when you suck
 







DanvilleGopher said:
It won't, which is why he'll be traded
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Nobody wants dak coming off an injury on that egregious contract. Cap hit is 89 mil next year, 68, 62, 72 mil (could but out the last year at a 34 million dead cap). They’re stuck with him. Now maybe Deion wants shedeur to learn a year or two first and this could be a situation it works, but with where his contract sits it kind of defeats the purpose of going qb on a rookie deal right now as it’ll be expiring right when daks does so you can’t maximize your years on a rookie qb deal
 

upnorthkid said:
Now maybe Deion wants shedeur to learn a year or two first...
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Ha...hahahaha...ohhh, ha

He coaches him like he's playing "Road to Glory" on NCAA14.

Peon will try to force him to a team that will start him right away and pass 90% of the time.

It's all about him and his sons, he doesn't give a shit about team.
 


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