SEC Bias: This is a reminder that LSU these last 5 years is the same as Minnesota, just with a lot more AP votes and more FCS wins.

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For 3 of those 5 years Minnesota played in the B1G West and LSU played in the SEC West. Pretty significant difference in having 6 games vs the B1G West & B1G West each season during that time period.
 

If you go by recruiting, LSU has more 4 and 5 star players. LSU has 4 5-star players. MN has zero. LSU has 58 4-star players. MN has 15 4-star players.
 
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Xerxes_ said:
For 3 of those 5 years Minnesota played in the B1G West and LSU played in the SEC West. Pretty significant difference in having 6 games vs the B1G West & B1G West each season during that time period.
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That sounds reasonable. How significant, exactly, is the difference? Have you worked out a comparison?
 

Xerxes_ said:
For 3 of those 5 years Minnesota played in the B1G West and LSU played in the SEC West. Pretty significant difference in having 6 games vs the B1G West & B1G West each season during that time period.
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Only 8 conference games.

Here are LSUs wins since 2021

mcneese state
Central Michigan
Southern
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico
Gambling state
UAB
Army
South Alabama
Nicholls state
Georgia State
Louisiana Tech
Southeastern Louisiana
Western Kentucky

Miss State x3
Florida x4
Auburn x2
Texas A&M x2
South Carolina x2
Ole miss x2
Alabama
Purdue
Arkansas x4
Missouri
Wisconsin
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Oklahoma
Baylor
Clemson


Here Are Minnesotas
Miami (oh)
New Mexico state
Western Illinois
Eastern Michigan
Louisiana
Bowling green
Rhode island
Nevada
Buffalo
Northwestern State
New mexico

Colorado x2
Purdue x2
Nebraska x4
Maryland x2
Northwestern x2
Indiana
Wisconsin x4
West Virginia
Michigan state x3
Rutgers x2
Syracuse
Iowa
USC
uCLA
Illinois
Virginia tech
 
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Only 8 conference games.

Here are LSUs wins since 2021

mcneese state
Central Michigan
Southern
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico
Gambling state
UAB
Army
South Alabama
Nicholls state
Georgia State
Louisiana Tech
Southeastern Louisiana
Western Kentucky

Miss State x3
Florida x4
Auburn x2
Texas A&M x2
South Carolina x2
Ole miss x2
Alabama
Purdue
Arkansas x4
Missouri
Wisconsin
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Oklahoma
Baylor
Clemson
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That's a lot of games against less-than-stellar opposition, including the SEC games. Are Mississippi State and Arkansas any good?
 



RememberMurray said:
That's a lot of games against less-than-stellar opposition, including the SEC games. Are Mississippi State and Arkansas any good?
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No.
Interesting the implication was Minnesota had more wins because they kept beating up on the same teams over and over again but both teams have beaten 16 power 5 programs the last 5 seasons.

Most common team They beat
LSU got 11/28 wins vs Arkansas/MS State/florida
Minnesota got 11/29 wins vs Wisconsin/MSU/Nebraksa


You could make the argument LSU would win more if they got to play Alabama less.
But you could also argue LSU would win less if they didn’t have 14 non P4 wins vs MN’s 11
(MN was 9-1 regular season and 2-0 in bowls vs non power 5)


I think it’s an interesting conversation:

Bama
Ole Miss with Lane kiffin 2021-2025 was much better than previous Ole Miss teams…but is that because they’re better or LsU slipped or both. I’d argue both.
Auburn sucks
Florida sucks (and was their locked east game)
Miss State sucks
Arkansas sucks
Texas A&M has been good but has fallen apart late in seasons and they always played at the end until recently


LSU played a schedule that had 4 non conference games

Bama-Texas A&M-ole miss - + one random east

Arkansas
Ms state
Florida
Auburn

I think that schedule is weaker than a hard big ten west schedule (getting two of the top 3).
About even if you get the top one (Ohio state or Michigan/penn state in the up year)

Harder if you avoid the top 2 in the east.

LSU, IMO has a schedule that’s easier to go 7-5 against but harder to go 10-2 against.

SEC schedules are tougher for Arkansas and ms state than they are for LSU because they have to play LSU but don’t get to play themselves.
 
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Xerxes_ said:
For 3 of those 5 years Minnesota played in the B1G West and LSU played in the SEC West. Pretty significant difference in having 6 games vs the B1G West & B1G West each season during that time period.
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SEC is so good that that even when they lose it is a quality loss!

Until bowl season…. Weird thing how they seem to take so many non quality losses when they have to play other conferences…. 🤨
 
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Mississippi State:

2021: 7-6
2022: 9-4
2023: 5-7
2024: 2-10
2025: 5-7, with an upcoming game in the Duke's Mayo Bowl(!)

Wow. Another SEC dynasty!
 

RememberMurray said:
Mississippi State:

2021: 7-6
2022: 9-4
2023: 5-7
2024: 2-10
2025: 5-7, with an upcoming game in the Duke's Mayo Bowl(!)

Wow. Another SEC dynasty!
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Yeah people do think of SEC west as running the Auburn-bama-LSU gauntlet

But LSU doesn’t play LsU
And LsU locks in Florida, MS State, Arkansas, and Auburn
And that’s half their conference schedule!

Auburn hasn’t won 7 games in a year since 2019
And all those teams with 7-6 records had 4 non conference games to get to 7 wins

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By the way the last 5 years of A&M records are
8-4
5-7
7-6
8-5
11-2 - 2025
And A&M is another locked team on the schedule who wasn’t that good in the SEC West days


So 5 of the LSU gauntlet SEC west schedule is:
Auburn
Arkansas
Mississippi state
Florida
Texas A&M
 



RememberMurray said:
Arkansas:

2021: 9-4
2022: 7-6
2023: 4-8
2024: 7-6
2025: 2-10

Wow. Another impressive SEC juggernaut!
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And those 7-6 seasons include a loss to Liberty in 2022 and a loss to 3-9 Ok state in 2024
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Auburn:

2021: 6-7
2022: 5-7
2023: 6-7
2024: 5-7
2025: 5-7

Wow. Auburn is part of a 'gauntlet'? It must be an SEC-style gauntlet; you know, a gauntlet that Just Means More.
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correct

And to be fair…
If it was 2013 and you were playing LSU-Bama-Auburn


But it hasn’t been 2013 since 2013.
 




Xerxes_ said:
For 3 of those 5 years Minnesota played in the B1G West and LSU played in the SEC West. Pretty significant difference in having 6 games vs the B1G West & B1G West each season during that time period.
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We also had an extra conference game and didn't get the benefit of scheduling an FCS patsy every November either
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
SEC is so good that that even when they lose it is a quality loss!

Until bowl season…. Weird thing how they seem to take so many non quality losses when they have to play other conferences…. 🤨
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Would be interesting to see how it would all shake out if they didn't do pre-season rankings and waited multiple weeks before ranking teams.

Definitely interesting to see our resume and LSU's compared like this where basically everything is the same except for the time spent in the rankings.
 



RememberMurray said:
That's a lot of games against less-than-stellar opposition, including the SEC games. Are Mississippi State and Arkansas any good?
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Who knows? By record certainly not, and I believe that is how teams are judged at the end of the day. I guess we'll get some idea next season with Miss. St coming to us...
 

It is interesting how the SEC kool aid is served so regularly and at such high quantities, you can actually see it being regurgitated in small amounts on Gopherhole. It can't be denied that it is effective, because it shows in any/every non-objective human opinion based poll.

I get a kick out of SEC logic.

"The SEC is the best conference!"
- Really, then why are things so balanced in bowl games and head to head in playoffs or regular season?

"Well, the SEC wins all the national championships"
-The B1G has won a few, especially since paying players went visible above boards.

"Yeah, but that is just because the B1G has one great team"
Actually the B1G has had multiple National championships and has advanced several different schools in the new national playoff.

"Yeah, but the B1G isn't as deep as the SEC. It just has a few good teams at the top."
-How do you explain Indiana then? A perennial B1G doormat winning the conference? Or Illinois looking pretty good last year with a bowl win vs heavily favored S. Carolina?

"Well, they just don't have to face a gauntlet like the SEC. B1G teams would all have more losses if they had to face a gauntlet like that!"
- If it were such a gauntlet, wouldn't the SEC look better in bowls and playoff vs teams from other conferences? 11-1 Texas A&M just lost in the playoff to a two loss Miami team, at home!

"That is just because A&M avoided all the best SEC teams and only had to play bottom teams this season."
-But wait, you just said it was a "gauntlet" but now there are teams that can skate through nearly undefeated by avoiding the top teams on the conference schedule?

"Umm, ... "
- And furthermore, middling B1G teams regularly beat favored SEC teams in bowl games.

"Well, that is because the SEC is sooooo tough that the teams are beaten up by bowl season and the focus is on the conference season"
- Yeah, but they are still losing a lot of these bowl games after a month or more rest, and isn't there a phrase that says something about 'it just means more'?

"Umm, ..., Well, LSU would KILL Minnesota because look at all the four and five stars!
- How do you know that?

"because... S... E... C...!!!"
- That sounds a lot like a hypothetical victory, which is strictly opinion, and again - look at all the SEC bowl losses, playoff losses, and regular season losses where the results indicate parity, not superiority with other power conferences?

"Yeah, 'we' win all our hypothetical matchups!"
- You do, but that isn't reality, right?

"It IS reality! SEC! SEC! SEC! In fact, here is an obscure statistic that proves the Mississippi cheerleading squad would beat Illinois if they were to play in person."
- That doesn't really prove anything. Wouldn't Illinois have to actually play the Mississippi cheerleading squad to get proof?

"SEC! SEC! Finebaum! SEC! ESPN! SEC!"
 

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