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Whatever this means, it clearly means whatever ideas were rolling around in my head before I read this.
 



MNfootballfan said:
No idea what this means, but I can only assume it is good for the SEC and Big Ten and bad for everyone else.
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Didn't the Big Ten, Pac 12 and Big 12 form some kind of group right before the Pac 12 went poof? :)

Makes sense for these two conferences to get on the same page with things since football is kind and those two conferences are the clear power conferences in college football.
 


They could both expand by 6-8 teams, only play each other for non-conference games, play a Championship game & their media rights would increase substantially. The SEC & B1G are top dogs & will out recruit out NIL everyone else. Who would not want to play, coach & watch those two Mega conferences? Great games every week unlike now. Just give it time boys give it time. Like they say in Poltergeist "They're Here".
 

Maybe this is the rumored divorce of football as a quasi-legally separate entity from the colleges, enabling direct NIL (ie broadcast media rights money) to flow to athletes, with some sort of licensing residuals funding non-revenues at the schools to avoid total annihilation of those scholarship opportunities. The devil is, of course, always in the details. Good luck.
 


Out State Gopher said:
They could both expand by 6-8 teams, only play each other for non-conference games, play a Championship game & their media rights would increase substantially. The SEC & B1G are top dogs & will out recruit out NIL everyone else. Who would not want to play, coach & watch those two Mega conferences? Great games every week unlike now. Just give it time boys give it time. Like they say in Poltergeist "They're Here".
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My predicition for a while has been this... The Big Ten and SEC are going to continue to grow and become quite large. They will get so large that they will become many small conferences. Big Ten West will be USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, etc Big Ten Midwest will be Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc

I would be all in with my prediction and your post combining. Year one Big Ten West plays Sec East, etc for non-conference. Each schedule could have one open week to play whoever they want (regional rival, etc)... FCS, Iowa/Iowa State game, Colorado/CSU game... Similar to the NFL winning your division is key to getting into the Big Ten Tournament and having a chance to play the SEC winner for a National Championship.
 



It seems so obvious sad people who claim to know football can't see it. Notre Dame will join the B1G & the ACC will be raided by both conferences joining the Pac12 in the conference graveyard.
MNfootballfan said:
My predicition for a while has been this... The Big Ten and SEC are going to continue to grow and become quite large. They will get so large that they will become many small conferences. Big Ten West will be USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, etc Big Ten Midwest will be Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc

I would be all in with my prediction and your post combining. Year one Big Ten West plays Sec East, etc for non-conference. Each schedule could have one open week to play whoever they want (regional rival, etc)... FCS, Iowa/Iowa State game, Colorado/CSU game... Similar to the NFL winning your division is key to getting into the Big Ten Tournament and having a chance to play the SEC winner for a National Championship.
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College football as we know will be totally different within the next 5 years. Can't wait for the changes & excitement. Onward and Upward. Either get on board or get out of the way!
 

Out State Gopher said:
It seems so obvious sad people who claim to know football can't see it. Notre Dame will join the B1G & the ACC will be raided by both conferences joining the Pac12 in the conference graveyard.
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I could also see a world where the big moneymaker programs of the SEC and Big Ten for example combine and leave behind their old conference members with poor fan and media support. It’s only a matter of time before the Ohio States, Texas, etc., get tired of having an equal media payout as programs like Indiana, etc. that the TV network execs could care less about and aren’t generating an equal share of the television revenue.
 



Goal is to ban third party collectives, get player payments controlled by confs/schools, and get players under contracts.

These two leagues need this sooner than later. At least in football.

They will force it.
 

When will the SEC & B1G start cutting eliminating the husks? Who will be left behind? Time to your ducks in a row fellows!
 

there's been a lot of speculation about the P4 teams breaking away from the NCAA and becoming their own entity - with new rules and policies.

and I suppose that's possible - but if they try, there will be lawyers lining up from Ann Arbor to Tuscaloosa to challenge various aspects of the proposal. let's say for the sake of argument that the B1G and SEC announce they are breaking away from the rest of college football. just sorting out the ramifications for the TV contracts could get tied up in court for years.

and - as some speculate - if the B1G or SEC tried to kick out bottom-rung teams - and cut them off from the TV money - the injunctions and TRO's would be flying.

this could be the biggest train wreck since "The Fugitive." or if you like older movies, "The Greatest Show on Earth."
 

short ornery norwegian said:
there's been a lot of speculation about the P4 teams breaking away from the NCAA and becoming their own entity - with new rules and policies.

and I suppose that's possible - but if they try, there will be lawyers lining up from Ann Arbor to Tuscaloosa to challenge various aspects of the proposal. let's say for the sake of argument that the B1G and SEC announce they are breaking away from the rest of college football. just sorting out the ramifications for the TV contracts could get tied up in court for years.

and - as some speculate - if the B1G or SEC tried to kick out bottom-rung teams - and cut them off from the TV money - the injunctions and TRO's would be flying.

this could be the biggest train wreck since "The Fugitive." or if you like older movies, "The Greatest Show on Earth."
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Remember any contract or heart can be broken.
 


GopherGod said:
I could also see a world where the big moneymaker programs of the SEC and Big Ten for example combine and leave behind their old conference members with poor fan and media support. It’s only a matter of time before the Ohio States, Texas, etc., get tired of having an equal media payout as programs like Indiana, etc. that the TV network execs could care less about and aren’t generating an equal share of the television revenue.
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That won't happen because someone has to lose each game played. Half of those programs would have losing records and not be considered big programs over time. The other concern is t the challenge of going undefeated would be a lot harder in a league of the top teams, and would more than likely mean even the top teams in the league would have 2-4 losses each year.
 

PMWinSTP said:
That won't happen because someone has to lose each game played. Half of those programs would have losing records and not be considered big programs over time. The other concern is t the challenge of going undefeated would be a lot harder in a league of the top teams, and would more than likely mean even the top teams in the league would have 2-4 losses each year.
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Think NFL with playoffs. Does anyone remember or care what the Super Bowl Champs regular season record was? Keep your eye on the prize. Records are for disc jockeys & museums.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
let's say for the sake of argument that the B1G and SEC announce they are breaking away from the rest of college football. just sorting out the ramifications for the TV contracts could get tied up in court for years.
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There wouldn't be any such ramifications, just from this move.

The Big Ten and SEC have their own contracts, between the conferences and TV partners. The NCAA doesn't figure into them one iota.

Nor does the CFP, for that matter. And the CFP is also completely independent of the NCAA.
 

PMWinSTP said:
That won't happen because someone has to lose each game played. Half of those programs would have losing records and not be considered big programs over time. The other concern is t the challenge of going undefeated would be a lot harder in a league of the top teams, and would more than likely mean even the top teams in the league would have 2-4 losses each year.
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Out State Gopher said:
Think NFL with playoffs. Does anyone remember or care what the Super Bowl Champs regular season record was? Keep your eye on the prize. Records are for disc jockeys & museums.
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I think you both have valid points.

As it is now ... fans of elite programs have been conditioned to think that anything less than 10 wins out of 12 and a CFP berth is a mediocre season.

In the NFL, fans are fine with a 10-7 season if you get solidly into the playoffs and go on a run. That's a completely different conditioning.


As OSG says, IF fans of a new college football breakaway, where you have 30, 40, 50, whatever teams that are all on equal-ish level, so it's much more like the NFL, where (almost) any team can beat any team on a given Saturday/Sunday, can get into that NFL mindset, then it could work.
 


Out State Gopher said:
Think NFL with playoffs. Does anyone remember or care what the Super Bowl Champs regular season record was? Keep your eye on the prize. Records are for disc jockeys & museums.
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The NFL plays 5 more games in their regular season though, which makes the impact a single loss has on your overall win % less than it is in college. As well, NFL fans are conditioned to expect some losses during a season. In the NFL, there has only been 1 undefeated season (regular and playoff), and only 4 undefeated regular seasons ever. Whereas in FBS football, even just looking back to 1990, only 9 seasons didn't have any undefeated teams (1990, 1996, 2003, 2007, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2021), and multiple years had more than 1 undefeated team.

So college football fans of these "top tier" teams are heavily conditioned to expect undefeated seasons, and only maybe 1 or 2 losses max as an "acceptable down year". It would be a very risky move for these teams to break away from their "guaranteed" wins and chose to move to a schedule where every game legitimately was a game they had a chance at losing. Many fans of these teams would start to complain that their team was losing too much, ignoring the fact that they would be playing far stronger opponents, and that would potentially impact their fan support and profit.

It's not impossible, but with the way college fans of these teams are conditioned to expect perfection rather than just "whatever gets us to the national title", it is a mountain of a hurdle.
 

Taji34 said:
The NFL plays 5 more games in their regular season though, which makes the impact a single loss has on your overall win % less than it is in college. As well, NFL fans are conditioned to expect some losses during a season. In the NFL, there has only been 1 undefeated season (regular and playoff), and only 4 undefeated regular seasons ever. Whereas in FBS football, even just looking back to 1990, only 9 seasons didn't have any undefeated teams (1990, 1996, 2003, 2007, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2021), and multiple years had more than 1 undefeated team.

So college football fans of these "top tier" teams are heavily conditioned to expect undefeated seasons, and only maybe 1 or 2 losses max as an "acceptable down year". It would be a very risky move for these teams to break away from their "guaranteed" wins and chose to move to a schedule where every game legitimately was a game they had a chance at losing. Many fans of these teams would start to complain that their team was losing too much, ignoring the fact that they would be playing far stronger opponents, and that would potentially impact their fan support and profit.

It's not impossible, but with the way college fans of these teams are conditioned to expect perfection rather than just "whatever gets us to the national title", it is a mountain of a hurdle.
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They need to increase the schedule by 2-4 games for more revenue & eliminate non-revenue generating sports. Fans will adapt as it will provide a better product. Remember inflation, higher interest rates & smaller budgets are not only for citizens.
 

GopherGod said:
I could also see a world where the big moneymaker programs of the SEC and Big Ten for example combine and leave behind their old conference members with poor fan and media support. It’s only a matter of time before the Ohio States, Texas, etc., get tired of having an equal media payout as programs like Indiana, etc. that the TV network execs could care less about and aren’t generating an equal share of the television revenue.
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That's not going to happen. The "top" teams need step-brother teams to beat. They get more money when they are good. Someone has to lose.
 

Out State Gopher said:
They need to increase the schedule by 2-4 games for more revenue & eliminate non-revenue generating sports. Fans will adapt as it will provide a better product. Remember inflation, higher interest rates & smaller budgets are not only for citizens.
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MplsGopher said:
As it is now ... fans of elite programs have been conditioned to think that anything less than 10 wins out of 12 and a CFP berth is a mediocre season.

In the NFL, fans are fine with a 10-7 season if you get solidly into the playoffs and go on a run. That's a completely different conditioning.
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In addition, when those NFL teams have a down year, they are rewarded with a higher draft pick, so there can potentially be a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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There are a lot of things that will need to happen to allow the Big1G & SEC to basically take over the college football world and its playoff system. First, on the list for the conferences/schools is to take back control of the NIL process in terms of who is running the show. To make this work, I hate to say it, but they will end up having to make the players employees. This will then be followed by the players organizing to form a union which will be followed shortly thereafter by a collective bargaining agreement. Just like the NFL, you can't have the players running the show when it comes to escalating prices/compensation (NIL), and by making them employees the schools (owners) will take control and put a pay structure in place. In the NFL there may be some players at the QB level that can garner huge contracts, but for 98% of the players in the league, the owners pretty much control most things with an iron fist as we have seen players get frozen out of when the owners choose to do so. However, at that point college football will no longer be the same.

If things were to go that way, I don't think it goes very long before the football operations at those schools is privatized and they bring in a President and GM to run football operations like a franchise. The money will be too big at that point and you will need to have experts managing player's contracts and legal matters, which the University isn't setup to handle. So then, you have some type of agreement with the schools on the payout they receive and the AD can be left to manage the rest of the Athletic programs for the school that they still have the money to fund. Hopefully, we all aren't sitting here 10 yrs from now discussing how they managed to kill the golden goose that was college football and what it ended up doing to the rest of the college athletic programs.
 

MplsGopher said:
There wouldn't be any such ramifications, just from this move.

The Big Ten and SEC have their own contracts, between the conferences and TV partners. The NCAA doesn't figure into them one iota.

Nor does the CFP, for that matter. And the CFP is also completely independent of the NCAA.
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The only contracts the NCAA has is with CBS/Time Warner-Discovery for MBB and Disney (ESPN/ABC) for FCS and all the other championships.
 

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