Sampson is the softest player Ive seen

Sampson was BY FAR the best of the 3 big men the gophers played against OSU. So I hope you make a thread about the others as well.
The Sampson hate on this board is amazing. He is probably the most consistent player on this team (unless Hoff starts playing SG again).

He has upped his scoring 2.5PPG from last year....added another half a block a game to get above 2 blocks per game, his rebounding has only slid .3 rebounds per game despite being placed in a lineup containing the Big Ten's leading rebounder.
He has been in double figures in 7 of 11 Big Ten games (including the last 6). He has always been exactly what he is. A very good high post player, and an okay low post player.

He had an off game and was still the best of the 3 bigs today.

Did you watch the game? He was directly responsible for a number of easy lay-ins and dunks by OSU in the first part of the 2nd half when the game got out of hand. If scoring was the only thing that mattered in basketball, then I guess we could say he's a decent player. Unfortunately, defense and rebounding play a roll in game outcomes.
 

It's fustrating after a loss when we didn't play well. Without Nolen, we have a team short on ball handlers. We have one shooter. We have one passive post player, one over agressive post player, and a player who likes to dunk and do little else. Trevor has been slumping the last two games doesnt help either. Colt and Trevor play similar styles on offense so having Trevor hurts colts progress.

Other than Damien Johnson, Hagan, and Robinson, tell me a gopher player who really improved? Mike bauer came here with a nice verticle and a nice 3pt shot. Guess what he left with? I'd like to see development, but players are basically who they are. Ralph will not become tough, Colt will not add finesse, rodney will keep practicing dunks, etc. There is a reason a high percantage of mcdonals all americans make it to the pro's. They have a big skill set when they get here.

Couldn't agree more with you.
 

He is probably the most consistent player on this team.

That would be true if we simply decide to eliminate "boxing out" as part of a big man's overall game. Ralph must lead the Big Ten in "offensive rebounds allowed by the guy I'm supposed to box out." Not only will he not box out, he rarely chooses to lift his body off the floor to get a rebound, either. If he does get a rebound, it is usually because the ball somehow landed in his hands. He does not play above the rim, which is where dominating rebounders play the game.

I will say much of his "boxing out" issue is because he is in love with the blocked shot and when he goes for the block, he lets his man get by him and is out of position.

This is the reason for a lot of frustration on the part of Gopher fans and mostly responsible for the perception that he's a soft player.

His offensive game has been better. Six straight games in double figures.
 

Where's that Sampson guy that played in the PR Tournament.
 

It's fustrating after a loss when we didn't play well. Without Nolen, we have a team short on ball handlers. We have one shooter. We have one passive post player, one over agressive post player, and a player who likes to dunk and do little else. Trevor has been slumping the last two games doesnt help either. Colt and Trevor play similar styles on offense so having Trevor hurts colts progress.

Other than Damien Johnson, Hagan, and Robinson, tell me a gopher player who really improved? Mike bauer came here with a nice verticle and a nice 3pt shot. Guess what he left with? I'd like to see development, but players are basically who they are. Ralph will not become tough, Colt will not add finesse, rodney will keep practicing dunks, etc. There is a reason a high percantage of mcdonals all americans make it to the pro's. They have a big skill set when they get here.

March Madness- this phenomenon is one that has taken place over the last 15 years. The hallmark of Clem, Dutcher and Mussy was player improvement.

For just Clem alone- guys who drastically improved:

Coffey, Tarver, Bond, Newbern, Schik, Burton, Harris, Lynch, Jacobson, Thomas, Orr, Q Lewis all improved by leaps and bounds- and I'm sure I missed some others.

Dutcher is best remembered for the Big Ten Champs (81-82 range) where five guys came up together and got better year over year.
 


Ralph might be softer than Dan Coleman was. That's saying something.
 

I don't think Ralph will ever be a "banger"

My question (Sorry to bring up a Badger) would anyone on here call Leuer soft because he is a big man who shoots jumpers and doesn't bang like a Colton or Trevor? Yes Ralph could get a little more physical down low, but that's not his game. He is a very good shooting big man and that's what he likes to do. He does need to box out better and grab the ball stronger, but I don't think the fact he shoots jumpers and shoots hooks makes him soft.

If you want to say he needs to be stronger downlow on boxouts and rebounds, that's a valid point. But to say because he is 7 foot and isn't yelling when he dunks and has a very good jump shot makes him soft I don't feel is accurate. I compare Ralph's demeanor and style of play to Duncan in a lot of ways.

Does he have room to improve, absolutley. Who doesn't? But to critisize him for actually having a good jump shot and go-to post move I can't understand, something you can't say anyone else on the team has.
 


Seriously, If I hear one more person talking about Rodney and NBA in the same sentance im gonna go ape *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# ! I know yes the Twolves drafted Ndi Ebi so anything can happen but he simply doesnt have the skills yet to play in the NBA.

Not only does he not have the skills he doesn't have a clue. Watch him sometime, he stands on the wing waiting for the ball. I'm not sure about the offense, but he never moves without the ball. Never works to get open, nothing.
 



There is no perfect basketball player. All we can hope is Ralph continues to improve (I believe he has in his three years). We all talk about how we don't want "one-and-done" players, well the truth is you won't get many John Walls to stick around for 4 years. If a guy is good enough, he will go pro (usually).

If we want to watch guys develop, then they will have weaknesses. Blake took 4 years to be the player he is today. Ralph has greatly improved his jump shot and post moves since his freshman year. He is also a very good shot blocker.

No player is perfect, heck, even MJ shot 18% from 3 at one point. Rondo still can't shoot. Some guys don't develop certain things until they are years into the NBA, LeBron still has no post game what so ever.

I definitley understand it being frustrating and it definitley is, but sometimes we hold our Gophers to a standard that is high even for NBA players (expecting perfection). Ralph needs to box out better, absolutley. But to act like he is worthless to the team and a failure etc. is a complete joke.

Results don't happen over-night.
 

Can somebody please make a thread complaining about Mbakwe's boxing out? He was worse at this yesterday. Try to think about the two free throws that Ohio State got offensive boards.
Ralph was boxing out, he was a high post player getting beat down low boxing out against a guy that will be a top 10 NBA draft pick. It is going to happen.
 

Aggression. He doesn't have it and that is something that has nothing to do with improving, skill set, etc.
It has to do with "want to". Doesn't seem like he has much of it. If he would be a more aggressive rebounder and defender, he would be all bigten. He has the skills I think. He is really pretty smooth for how big of a guy he is. Just seems alot of time like he is not even trying.
 

Aggression. He doesn't have it and that is something that has nothing to do with improving, skill set, etc.
It has to do with "want to". Doesn't seem like he has much of it. If he would be a more aggressive rebounder and defender, he would be all bigten. He has the skills I think. He is really pretty smooth for how big of a guy he is. Just seems alot of time like he is not even trying.

I definitley see your point, but I think that he is trying and his demeanor just makes it look like he isn't. Tim Duncan has the same demeanor and I don't often see him getting balls hit away from him or anything of that nature. I think that is something Ralph needs to work on. Grabbing rebounds stronger, boxing out more effectivley, and I'd add passing out as the double team arrives, and not too late (something tOSU bigs did VERY well).
 



Ralphs defence was terrible, Dallas got his 4 easy dunks while RS3 was on him and no surprise he couldn't handle JS at all.
 

Can somebody please make a thread complaining about Mbakwe's boxing out? He was worse at this yesterday. Try to think about the two free throws that Ohio State got offensive boards.
Ralph was boxing out, he was a high post player getting beat down low boxing out against a guy that will be a top 10 NBA draft pick. It is going to happen.

There was a FT yesterday that Trevor absolutely did not block out and Ohio State got the offensive rebound un-touched off a FT despite us having four guys on the FT lane and OSU only having one. That was in-excusable.

Go Gophers!!
 

Can somebody please make a thread complaining about Mbakwe's boxing out? He was worse at this yesterday.

Boxing out is an absolute necessity if you won't play above the rim. Ralph won't.

However, Trevor will, and he gets away without boxing out a lot. Much like some of the more dominating rebounders ever. Rodman never boxed out. Ben Wallace rarely boxed out. They were willing and able to go get the ball as it was coming off the rim (above the rim). It is a special skill. Mbakwe has it. He rebounds out of his area better than any player we've had in a long time. Like Rodman and Barkley and other great rebounders, they simply just go get the ball. Forget about boxing out. And, they usually get it. Occasionally, as was the case on the FT yesterday, they whiff. But, not much.

Ralph doesn't rebound out of his area. He plays flat footed. Urgo, he MUST box out in a physical manner to gather the board. He doesn't do it very well.

To remotely suggest that Ralph is our most consistent player when his counterpart at forward is averaging a double-double is ludicrous. Add in the fact that Hoffarber is actually scoring MORE points as a PG than he was as a SG and the fact that he outscored AND OUTREBOUNDED Sampson yesterday - well that makes the suggestion even further off the mark, IMO.

No one is suggesting Ralph isn't a good player. He is. I simply feel he could be better. He has the size and skill to take it up another notch and someday maybe he will. His offensive game is getting better. He needs tremendous improvement in some other areas (as do many others on the team). It is frustrating for some in that there are times where he seems so disinterested in the game that it perpetuates a belief that he doesn't "want it" enough. I'm not suggesting that is reality, but I think it creates the higher frustration level for him from some of the fans. I know I feel that way at times and maybe it is unwarranted. By most accounts, he works hard outside of the normal practice times, etc.
 

Aggression. He doesn't have it and that is something that has nothing to do with improving, skill set, etc.
It has to do with "want to". Doesn't seem like he has much of it. If he would be a more aggressive rebounder and defender, he would be all bigten. He has the skills I think. He is really pretty smooth for how big of a guy he is. Just seems alot of time like he is not even trying.

Part of it is his demeanor, which he can't help (think Jay Cutler). But there's no doubt that it would help if someone would light a fire under him. Some of that is on Tubby and the coaching staff and some of that is on him. Either way it's very frustrating. He's a nice player, but it feels like he could be so much better then he is.
 

Boxing out is an absolute necessity if you won't play above the rim. Ralph won't.

However, Trevor will, and he gets away without boxing out a lot. Much like some of the more dominating rebounders ever. Rodman never boxed out. Ben Wallace rarely boxed out. They were willing and able to go get the ball as it was coming off the rim (above the rim). It is a special skill. Mbakwe has it. He rebounds out of his area better than any player we've had in a long time. Like Rodman and Barkley and other great rebounders, they simply just go get the ball. Forget about boxing out. And, they usually get it. Occasionally, as was the case on the FT yesterday, they whiff. But, not much.

Ralph doesn't rebound out of his area. He plays flat footed. Urgo, he MUST box out in a physical manner to gather the board. He doesn't do it very well.

To remotely suggest that Ralph is our most consistent player when his counterpart at forward is averaging a double-double is ludicrous. Add in the fact that Hoffarber is actually scoring MORE points as a PG than he was as a SG and the fact that he outscored AND OUTREBOUNDED Sampson yesterday - well that makes the suggestion even further off the mark, IMO.

No one is suggesting Ralph isn't a good player. He is. I simply feel he could be better. He has the size and skill to take it up another notch and someday maybe he will. His offensive game is getting better. He needs tremendous improvement in some other areas (as do many others on the team). It is frustrating for some in that there are times where he seems so disinterested in the game that it perpetuates a belief that he doesn't "want it" enough. I'm not suggesting that is reality, but I think it creates the higher frustration level for him from some of the fans. I know I feel that way at times and maybe it is unwarranted. By most accounts, he works hard outside of the normal practice times, etc.

rodman and barkley?
gopherjake takes issue with the exclusion of KG from that list. he, according to GJ, was the 'greatest rebounder in history'.
 

Ralph needs to watch his beastly game against Purdue last year. Obviously Johnson is super skinny, but Ralph actually played tough and wanted contact in that game. It would help to take hook shots near the basket.
 

Ralph needs to watch his beastly game against Purdue last year. Obviously Johnson is super skinny, but Ralph actually played tough and wanted contact in that game. It would help to take hook shots near the basket.

Did you watch the game? He was 0 for 4 or 5 on his baby hook. It wasn't falling. He had a bad day and he was still the best of the 3 bigs.
 

Randy Breuer was the same way. Soft, all hook shots & rebounds were because he was tall, but he had a hell of a career. A stated here you can't teach a guy to be aggressive. Anyone here have kids? You can see by about 5 years old what they're going to be like as adults (nice, wild, bully, studious, quiet, etc), well Ralph was always the gentle giant, shy, quiet a bit awkward & too big for his body. He can get more coordinated, but he'll never get fiery. Trevor, he just had a bad night at an inopportune time. As did Colt. Face it, for the first time this season we weren't the more physical team & it sucked. Hey, at least it was against #1 OSU though, so here's no shame in it.
 

I was watching the game and complaining about how none of our big guys would block out Sullinger and my girlfriend commented that "He's too big for them to do that."

Immediately following that comment, Hoff blocked out Sullinger and got the rebound. Technique does wonders and I wish some of our big guys blocked out more regularly as opposed to relying on size and timing (which, truthfully, they are usually good at).
 

Ralph doesn't get a good enough shoulder turn on his hook. He's throwing it over his head. He has no other move. No up and under, no drop step. Frankly, it's amazing how awful he is. Slow footed on defense...all he offers is length. If he wasn't such a vag he could be as good as he wanted to be.

GET TOUGH WITH THE BALL YOU PLAY LIKE A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL.

I say that because I care. I want him to play up to his potential.
 

There was a play early in the game when Ralph was out top guarding Lauderdale. I think it was Lighty who had the ball on the wing. Lighty drove into the lane near the FT line and Ralph sorta waved at the ball as he went by and Lighty made one of his great moves to the basket and scored. It reminded me of the game Lighty had against us earlier this year.

IMO Ralph's head was just was not in the game at the time. I put part of this problem on Tubby. They just did not seem to be 'fired up and ready to go'.
 

Randy Breuer was the same way. Soft, all hook shots & rebounds were because he was tall, but he had a hell of a career.

I agree he had a 'hell of a career'. JMO but I did not ever think of Randy Breuer as soft. Hard working, disciplined and aggressive in his own way. He was rarely more than 5 feet from the basket where he should have been. He had to work to avoid foul trouble and he did. Some may have interpreted that as soft but I never did. I'm not sure I want to call Ralph "soft" but he needs something. And he might need a little Randy Breuer 'hard work, discipline and Breuer-like aggressiveness' in him. Randy Breuer was not 'soft' - although I am not sure I ever knew what that meant. I do think the term is overused though.
 

Did you watch the game? He was 0 for 4 or 5 on his baby hook. It wasn't falling. He had a bad day and he was still the best of the 3 bigs.

Ralph missed four shots total in the game. One was a three-point attempt. One was a missed layup. That leaves two misses. He also MADE two hook shots.

How would that make him 0-for-4 or 0-for-5 on his baby hook?
 

player improvement

March Madness- this phenomenon is one that has taken place over the last 15 years. The hallmark of Clem, Dutcher and Mussy was player improvement.

For just Clem alone- guys who drastically improved:

Coffey, Tarver, Bond, Newbern, Schik, Burton, Harris, Lynch, Jacobson, Thomas, Orr, Q Lewis all improved by leaps and bounds- and I'm sure I missed some others.

Dutcher is best remembered for the Big Ten Champs (81-82 range) where five guys came up together and got better year over year.

I know the most about Jacobsen and Quincy. Sam had a great 3pt shot, a decent first step, and great hops comming into college. He left with the same. I would say one thing he improved on was an occassional midrange game. Quincy as a freshmen, was an excellent scorer off the bench. I am not sure what part of his game really improved, he got more consistent. But he didnt become a great rebounder or passer. Whatever skills a player excels at entering college is usually what carries them. No the ones with the best work ethics might improve weaknesses but it will never become a strength.
 

I agree he had a 'hell of a career'. JMO but I did not ever think of Randy Breuer as soft. Hard working, disciplined and aggressive in his own way. He was rarely more than 5 feet from the basket where he should have been. He had to work to avoid foul trouble and he did. Some may have interpreted that as soft but I never did. I'm not sure I want to call Ralph "soft" but he needs something. And he might need a little Randy Breuer 'hard work, discipline and Breuer-like aggressiveness' in him. Randy Breuer was not 'soft' - although I am not sure I ever knew what that meant. I do think the term is overused though.

I agree the Randy - Ralph comparison doesn't work. Watch some tape, Randy went hard after boards and the bucket.
 

I know the most about Jacobsen and Quincy. Sam had a great 3pt shot, a decent first step, and great hops comming into college. He left with the same. I would say one thing he improved on was an occassional midrange game. Quincy as a freshmen, was an excellent scorer off the bench. I am not sure what part of his game really improved, he got more consistent. But he didnt become a great rebounder or passer. Whatever skills a player excels at entering college is usually what carries them. No the ones with the best work ethics might improve weaknesses but it will never become a strength.

Quincy improved more than Sam. Quincy went from scoring 6.7 as a frosh -pretty much on jump shots to being an all around scorer at 23.1 pts per game as a senior.

Sam- pretty much maintained his skill package, but as an all around player became better- went from 7.7 pts as a frosh to 18.2 as a senior.

I understand what you are saying about skills as opposed to output but a lot of these guys listed had noticable skill set improvement.
 

Whatever our opinions are about Quincy and Sam's improvement over their four years (for the record I think they improved a lot), suffice it to say the Gophers' curent roster could use a couple Sam Jacobsons or Quincy Lewis'. Both those guys could shoot it, and both were scorers (not always necessarily 1 in the same), something the current roster seriously lacks.
 




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