Sally's Property Redevelopment

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Sally's is not an institution. In fact, other than Campus Pizza, it may be the newest bar in Stadium Village.

If you're concerned about losing tradition, be concerned if/when the owners of the Village Wok (they own the building containing the Big Ten, Wok, and Espresso Expose) sell out.
 

FreakyDeke said:
As long as Sally's gets to be the first floor tenant in the new building, I don't have a problem with it at all. More students living in Stadium Village is a good thing, Sally's getting a fresh building is a good thing, and if outdoor space is what we're upset about losing, go to Stub and Herbs.
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I'm with you FreakyDeke. I've had some good times at Sally's, but it's not the current space is anything special to me. It's more about the people that are there. More students living close to campus (especially in stadium village and Dinkytown is a really good thing overall in my opinion).
 

tikited said:
The idea is to get rid of just about everything near Sally's. All new all the time. The whole line of businesses surrounding the Big Ten would be lost as well. It never just stops here in Mpls. Must build more condos (or whatever they are calling them) all of the time. Must get rid of anything that doesn't look just like everything else.. Not a fan of this line of thinking at all.
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I understand what you are saying but right now rental vacancies are at an all time low. Many people want to live where the action is (good neighborhoods in Mpls and St. Paul where you can walk to stuff/public transit).
I just hope the buildings are built well and will look good in 50 years.
 

GopherRock said:
If you're concerned about losing tradition, be concerned if/when the owners of the Village Wok (they own the building containing the Big Ten, Wok, and Espresso Expose) sell out.
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That's what I have been talking about. They will "sell-out" eventually because they will almost have to. Then say goodbye to the Big Ten.
 

nokomismod said:
I understand what you are saying but right now rental vacancies are at an all time low. Many people want to live where the action is (good neighborhoods in Mpls and St. Paul where you can walk to stuff/public transit).
I just hope the buildings are built well and will look good in 50 years.
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That is the problem though. The developers are cutting corners in order to get more profit and in most cases the buildings don't look that good at all.
 


Go4Broke said:
I wouldn't describe eating at the Dinkytown McDonald's as being the same as eating at any other McDonald's in the world.
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It's exactly like eating at every McDonald's on the entire planet, except it's at the U. You couldn't find a place with a more repeatible experience than McDonald's. If they bulldozed it and put another McDonald's somewhere else on campus it would be the exact same thing.

Just like you said, if they bulldozed Sally's it would be replaced by something identical. Well, so would McDonald's, especially McDonald's.

You don't have to post 1000 tweets about kids going into McDonald's. If twitter was around during the Metrodome era you could have posted pages of twitter responses about kids heading to the dome to watch the Gophers. So what?
 

So what happened at the meeting?
 

Hope they don't take away the Big Ten...love those Hoagies!
 




I would assume that every property in Dinkytown and Stadium Village (and let's throw in Uptown) is up for grabs in this condo/apt. crazy world. Some day our kids will get melancholy over the closing of a Noodle's or Applebee's or TGIF's. "God, I loved eatin' good in the neighborhood."

Sterbs was around when I rode my stegasaurus to class. I have a kid who now frequents Sterbs and easily pays their monthly utility bill. Maybe a good Football Saturday bar - but no place to take a date. A little upgrade (not a lot - just a little) wouldn't hurt them or the atmosphere.

The good thing about light rail/Central Corridor is that kids will now do their drinking in downtown Mpls/StP and then ride the rails back. Look for the old Stadium Village to disappear in 5-10 years.
 

maroon and gold said:
The good thing about light rail/Central Corridor is that kids will now do their drinking in downtown Mpls/StP and then ride the rails back. Look for the old Stadium Village to disappear in 5-10 years.
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You are far underestimating the laziness of hungover students on a Saturday morning. Have you seen our crowds?
 

Go4Broke said:
Al's Breakfast, Vescios, Stub & Herbs, and McDonalds are institutions in Dinkytown and Stadium Village. Sally's is a Johnny-come-lately that will be easily replaced.
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Thank you Go4Broke, this post is really making me feel old, I've seen it but it didn't exist in my days on the campus.
 

The majority of students are not going to want to take a light rail twenty mintues downtown to mix with the animals and pay exorbitant prices. if they do the redevelopment "right" they will put an ordinance of three to five stories with ground floor retail/bar/commercial etc. However, knowing developers and the city this wont happen because their forecasted tenancy numbers will be way higher than what is actually feasible or reasonable (think vikings stadium) in order to try and turn a fiat profit. Just another bubble burst and we will be left with the stain. The city should be a bit more realistic when they sign the permits. I am all for density but there is a ceiling and a reality. Dont allow this giant towers, be more sensible.
 



Go4Broke said:
Hey, McDonald's has been in Dinkytown for almost 50 years. EVERY student who has attended the U during that period has eaten there at one time or another. It won't be long before it is eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places. Just try to get rid of it then.
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My first Gopher game was in 1977. My dad took me to McDonalds. That was nearly 40 years ago. I'd say it's an institution.
 

badgergopher said:
My first Gopher game was in 1977. My dad took me to McDonalds. That was nearly 40 years ago. I'd say it's an institution.
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According to some of the "younger" posters here that would make you an institution.:rolleyes:
 

Killjoy said:
According to some of the "younger" posters here that would make you an institution.:rolleyes:
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He77, I used to park behind Arby's for free in the 70's going to the Barn.

What does that make me besides "old"?
 



t-docious said:
The majority of students are not going to want to take a light rail twenty mintues downtown to mix with the animals and pay exorbitant prices.
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If it takes someone 20 minutes to get downtown on the light rail (once in place), they're doing something very wrong.
 

dpodoll68 said:
If it takes someone 20 minutes to get downtown on the light rail (once in place), they're doing something very wrong.
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I don't think 20 minutes is an unreasonable estimate. Typically it takes about 2 minutes between stations and with the setting they are in on campus I bet the the train isn't going to be going very fast (similar speed to downtown). So to get to Nicollet Mall it would take about 10 minutes, add in wait time for the train and walking to/from stations on either end and 20 minutes or more seems about right to get to your downtown bar.
 

Ski U Master said:
I don't think 20 minutes is an unreasonable estimate. Typically it takes about 2 minutes between stations and with the setting they are in on campus I bet the the train isn't going to be going very fast (similar speed to downtown). So to get to Nicollet Mall it would take about 10 minutes, add in wait time for the train and walking to/from stations on either end and 20 minutes or more seems about right to get to your downtown bar.
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As of right now, it would take me 24 minutes to get from Oak and University to Nicollet Mall via bus. That is with the bus going way off its usual route due to the light rail construction, and having to stop at stop lights, etc. If the bus can do it in 24 minutes, and the train, on its own dedicated route, can't do it in far less than 20 minutes, something is very wrong. On the current light rail route, it takes 6 minutes to get from Nicollet to Cedar/Riverside. And it's going to take another 14 to go from Cedar/Riverside to Stadium Village? Please. I'm telling you, 20 minutes is a vast overstatement in a lame effort to make a point.
 

dpodoll68 said:
As of right now, it would take me 24 minutes to get from Oak and University to Nicollet Mall via bus. That is with the bus going way off its usual route due to the light rail construction, and having to stop at stop lights, etc. If the bus can do it in 24 minutes, and the train, on its own dedicated route, can't do it in far less than 20 minutes, something is very wrong. On the current light rail route, it takes 6 minutes to get from Nicollet to Cedar/Riverside. And it's going to take another 14 to go from Cedar/Riverside to Stadium Village? Please. I'm telling you, 20 minutes is a vast overstatement in a lame effort to make a point.
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You do realize that taking the light rail from Minneapolis to St. Paul isn't going to save time over the bus don't you? The reason it is being built and how it is being built was a political decision. There were so many better choices than this project but politics won out.
 

dpodoll68 said:
As of right now, it would take me 24 minutes to get from Oak and University to Nicollet Mall via bus. That is with the bus going way off its usual route due to the light rail construction, and having to stop at stop lights, etc. If the bus can do it in 24 minutes, and the train, on its own dedicated route, can't do it in far less than 20 minutes, something is very wrong. On the current light rail route, it takes 6 minutes to get from Nicollet to Cedar/Riverside. And it's going to take another 14 to go from Cedar/Riverside to Stadium Village? Please. I'm telling you, 20 minutes is a vast overstatement in a lame effort to make a point.
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After a Twins game, instead of waiting to take the light rail back to Hennepin/First Ave, we opted to skip the crowd and walk. Well, we beat the train there on foot. So, depending on where you are starting downtown, I don't think it's unreasonable to think it would be close to 20 minutes to get to Stadium Village. Especially if you have to get off the train at the dome and wait for the Central line to arrive.
 

Tim Riggins said:
I don't think it's unreasonable to think it would be close to 20 minutes to get to Stadium Village. Especially if you have to get off the train at the dome and wait for the Central line to arrive.
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This. The train switch will be a delay unless they perfect the timing.

I will give them credit. They have really improved the timing along Hiawatha.
 

pointman99 said:
This. The train switch will be a delay unless they perfect the timing.

I will give them credit. They have really improved the timing along Hiawatha.
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They also have much fewer stops on that route. They will have way too many stops on this line. One of the advantages of light rail is that it can reduce the travel time but it won't in this case. Politics and and bad design trumped common what could have been a well designed light route.
 

Killjoy said:
They also have much fewer stops on that route. They will have way too many stops on this line. One of the advantages of light rail is that it can reduce the travel time but it won't in this case. Politics and and bad design trumped common what could have been a well designed light route.
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Politically, it was the only way it could have happen. That makes is the ONLY way it could have happened. People who use light rail are looking for convenience and no parking fees to get to sports and entertainment venues. The University light rail line is going to be a HUGE success. I will be taking it every time I go to a football or basketball game at the U and I am betting there will be very few vacant seats for me when I get on the train.
 

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