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Welcome Holereader! Ben played on the big ten team that holds the record for consecutive big ten losses!
And Coyle hired himWelcome Holereader! Ben played on the big ten team that holds the record for consecutive big ten losses!
He was blown away during the interview.And Coyle hired him
Ouch!! Reality hurts.I think we definitely can go lower this year. We got the right people in place to do it and a can’t do spirit. No reason to think this has to be our low point. We can do worse.
Here comes Yale.Rock bottom is when we lose to someone worse than North Texas, they're a fringe tournament team
Have you read How To Lie With Statistics?They're ranked 65th in Kenpom ranking. Ahead of several major college teams.
Tony Gwynn was excellent, even with a few extra pounds, at San Diego StateThe only good chubby PG I've ever seen was El Amin.
I mean at this point the only real option is to let it play out for the remainder of the season. You can make a move now but that is unlikely to change anything.I'd like to see how the team looks with everyone healthy.
They have been very good defensively, holding opponents under 60 a game. Adding TC will improve the defense even more.
Sometimes you have a bad week shooting the ball.
Still a lot of season left, see where it goes. Why give up after 4 games?
Strong ass offers for everyone!Open the checkbook and give Will Wade whatever he wants.....his slimy recruiting is perfectly legal right now......
For 4 years now it seems that the "healthy" crutch is used. I think for the most part no team goes through the year unscathed when it comes to injuries.I'd like to see how the team looks with everyone healthy.
You should not be this drunk so early in the morning...I'd like to see how the team looks with everyone healthy.
They have been very good defensively, holding opponents under 60 a game. Adding TC will improve the defense even more.
Sometimes you have a bad week shooting the ball.
Still a lot of season left, see where it goes. Why give up after 4 games?
I think that is a little unfair. It is one thing if the team is playing even a modicum of competent basketball or if they were struggling with top end teams...then yeah your last line would be true. I almost scored as many points as they did in the first half against Yale and I am a slow Middle Aged White Guy who can't dribble or shoot. It is completely valid for fans (even those of us that hope for the best) to basically throw up hands when you can't even beat an Ivy League School easily, a few days after losing to North Texas a few days after you barely beat friggin Omaha...all at home.In regards to the people that have already given up.....they gave up long before this season started....
Don't disagree with anything you said....that last line was more targeted at the group of posters we have here that keep pretending like there is a Ben Johnson fan club or some BS like that. If you are not sure who they are just see who blasts me after this post and you will know who they areI think that is a little unfair. It is one thing if the team is playing even a modicum of competent basketball or if they were struggling with top end teams...then yeah your last line would be true. I almost scored as many points as they did in the first half against Yale and I am a slow Middle Aged White Guy who can't dribble or shoot. It is completely valid for fans (even those of us that hope for the best) to basically throw up hands when you can't even beat an Ivy League School, a few days after losing to North Texas a few days after you barely beat friggin Omaha...all at home.
Look we are all resigned to the fact that we won't make a move for quite some time...but not everyone who is frustrated and pretty much quit are the ones who did so before the season. The team has done zero for anyone who is in wait and see mode to latch onto and think "hey we might have something here". I mean if that murderers row can basically make us look silly in our own barn what the heck are the Big Ten squads going to do to us?
There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade...and right now this team is arguably the worst in the major conferences. I think people are justified in pretty much giving up.
The best thing for this year is for Coyle to cut Ben now, with the extra cash as a "thanks for trying," appoint Thorson, the defensive guru) as interim coach (like was done with Monson) and then start scouring the world for our next head coach. Have our next coach ready to go by April 5th and let them build a competitive team.Don't disagree with anything you said....that last line was more targeted at the group of posters we have here that keep pretending like there is a Ben Johnson fan club or some BS like that. If you are not sure who they are just see who blasts me after this post and you will know who they are
Totally get any and all frustration with the state of the basketball program. Whatever positive gains were made last year (and there were some) were all wiped away when the roster exploded and basically everyone left.
It is looking more and more likely that this will be a wasted season and if that ends up being the case then they absolutely would have been better served to get a jump on things by firing Johnson after last season once it became clear he was going to have to rebuild the roster again.
As long as it doesn't appear that the team has quit on Johnson I still think the best course is just to ride it out to see what happens while making preparations to be ready to move fast once it becomes clear there is no chance Johnson is going to be the coach here going forward.The best thing for this year is for Coyle to cut Ben now, with the extra cash as a "thanks for trying," appoint Thorson, the defensive guru) as interim coach (like was done with Monson) and then start scouring the world for our next head coach. Have our next coach ready to go by April 5th and let them build a competitive team.
Ride it out and see what happens.As long as it doesn't appear that the team has quit on Johnson I still think the best course is just to ride it out to see what happens while making preparations to be ready to move fast once it becomes clear there is no chance Johnson is going to be the coach here going forward.
I know some will contend we are already at that point and they may well be right but there is still a lot of season left.
Assuming the goal is to bring in a sitting head coach to replace Johnson as opposed to an assistant or unknown then firing Johnson now really doesn't give you much of a leg up because you wouldn't be able to talk to those coaches in season anyway.
Without really digging in, seems likely most schools are this way. I'm sure there are exceptions that have stumbled into multiple good coaches in a row, but I'd bet most middle-lower pack P5 schools have a similar ish track record. I don't very many P5 schools have consistently had coaches go on to bigger and better over the long haul.I see your view. That said- Musselman never coached in college again. Dutcher never coached in college again. Clem never coached in college again. Monson moved down a level after he did great at Gonzaga. Tubby retired. Pitino moved down a level. So other than Mussy coaching the in the ABA and then the TWolves no one had their career enhanced coming here either. It has not been a coach friendly atmosphere here.
Kinda reminds me of Ryan Saunders' t-wolves coaching...If you had watched the 1st half yesterday, you wouldn't retain your optimism. It's literally the worst offense I've ever seen played by anyone older than 7th grade. And it wasn't just because they couldn't make shots. They had no flow. No idea. No clue. That's coaching.
The only reason they weren't down by 20 at half time is because North Texas couldn't make a shot either and we played OK defense. But this offense is just awful. All you have to do is stop Garcia and they're done. They will likely lose at least 2 more non-conference games and struggle to win any B1G games. I'd put the over/under win total at 11.5 and that's probably optimistic.
Right on cue!Ride it out and see what happens.
Mnvcguy has been consistent since cbj was hired, I will give him that.
I don't know why you keep advocating to keep him. You are so busted now!Don't disagree with anything you said....that last line was more targeted at the group of posters we have here that keep pretending like there is a Ben Johnson fan club or some BS like that. If you are not sure who they are just see who blasts me after this post and you will know who they are
Totally get any and all frustration with the state of the basketball program. Whatever positive gains were made last year (and there were some) were all wiped away when the roster exploded and basically everyone left.
As long as it doesn't appear that the team has quit on Johnson I still think the best course is just to ride it out to see what happens while making preparations to be ready to move fast once it becomes clear there is no chance Johnson is going to be the coach here going forward.It is looking more and more likely that this will be a wasted season and if that ends up being the case then they absolutely would have been better served to get a jump on things by firing Johnson after last season once it became clear he was going to have to rebuild the roster again.
I know some will contend we are already at that point and they may well be right but there is still a lot of season left.
Assuming the goal is to bring in a sitting head coach to replace Johnson as opposed to an assistant or unknown then firing Johnson now really doesn't give you much of a leg up because you wouldn't be able to talk to those coaches in season anyway.
Lifetime deal!!I don't know why you keep advocating to keep him. You are so busted now!
I mean if they fire him I have to take down all my posters and give up my spot as fan club president.I don't know why you keep advocating to keep him. You are so busted now!
The situation sucks. Anybody with a pulse can see that. I personally don't think it improves enough at any point this year to warrant 1 day more past the last game played. I would have pulled the plug after the exodus, but, I don't possess such authority. Regardless, he is the coach right now and will be for the season. I have no ability to alter the course that is already in motion. Accepting the brutal reality of the situation and trying to make do with the highly probable shitshow forthcoming is not the same as advocating he stays, which is literally the same damn thing you have been saying.I mean if they fire him I have to take down all my posters and give up my spot as fan club president.
Cracks me up how to some posters if you aren't constantly posting "fire the coach right now" it somehow means you think the program is in great shape and that Johnson should be the coach forever no matter how many games he wins.
I should stop being lazy and just put the rest of them on ignore with Burner.
We can go deeper. 2040.Need to give him til 2027.
Raymond FeltonThe only good chubby PG I've ever seen was El Amin.
And don't forget Antoine "The Judge" Joubert for Michigan.Raymond Felton