Reusse Thinks Tubby Will Bolt

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Ozzy&Ray said:
He's been there, done that with Kentucky. Each of the elites are associated with a name coach. He was always being compared to Pitino at Kentucky, and at Arizona it would be Lute. Also, AZ is Lute's creation. The receuiti g base is better here. There are more quality players coming g out of MN than AZ and we're the only D1 program. With the talent he has coming in there is nowhere that will be any better unless you are talking about NC, Duke, UCLA or such. I beleive he wants to make "his program" here. He hasn't really done that anywhere.
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I agree with you 100%. Tubby has already climbed the ladder to the big time and he knows he can do it. At this point in his life I think he is happy not living in a pressure cooker and he and Donna like living in a major city and all that is offers personally and professionally. I think he will build a winner here and enjoy all that comes with that and then ride off into the sunset to enjoy his retirement someday. I just don't see him wanting to deal with all the stress of those jobs.
 

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Leaving Mn to coach at Az is certainly not the choice I would expect Tubby to make. I thought I read that Tubby is supposed to earn $3.3 million this year when all of his income sources for coaching the Gophers are added up. Winter in Minneapolis is tough but so is summer in Tucson. I sure hope this rumor is hot air.
 

I think the state of Minnesota loves him too much for him to leave to go elsewhere. After all, love and support from the fan base is one of the biggest things he was missing in Kentucky.
 

Oh, and I hope Reusse is reading this, so I can tell him to STFU because nobody cares about what he has to say :D
 

This really has nothing to do with this thread but since From the Barn wrote it i guess I will respond here,

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"JohnnyGopher still needs to atone for the major player transferring away from the Gophers that never happened. I hope his source wasn't Myron."



What the Hell are you talking about? I have never said anything about anyone transfering. I think the last time I wrote on any transfer news was with Westbrook before Tubby was hired. Then there was the Jerry Smith to transfer in talk, but other than that
 


As for Tubby leaving, I haven't heard a word about it other than the normal Minnesota fan paranoia. Tubby may get approaced through some back channels if some big jobs open up but all indictations are he really likes it here, likes the rabid fan base yet they leave him alone for the most part, he likes that there are other sports teams in town so his team isn't the complete focus. They like the city and most important is that he is building something pretty special and I don't think he wants to start over again. That said, in the world of college athletics, nothing really surprises me anymore so I guess it's possible.

The only real problem right now is the practice facility and the normal Minnesota Administrative additude of waiting on these things, just ask John Anderson, won't work here.
Tubby will not let this issue go and Maturi can not keep putting it off. It will have to be addressed in the next 12-15 months or things could get ugly. Maturi will have to take a hard position one way or the other and a No or not right now decision and then I think the odds of Tubby staying are pretty slim.
 

JohnnyGopher said:
This really has nothing to do with this thread but since From the Barn wrote it i guess I will respond here,

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"JohnnyGopher still needs to atone for the major player transferring away from the Gophers that never happened. I hope his source wasn't Myron."



What the Hell are you talking about? I have never said anything about anyone transfering. I think the last time I wrote on any transfer news was with Westbrook before Tubby was hired. Then there was the Jerry Smith to transfer in talk, but other than that
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http://thehole84398.yuku.com/reply/630/t/Krys-Faber-favors-Minnesota.html#reply-630

What were you suggesting there?
 

JohnnyGopher said:
They like the city..
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If you have already had one of the top 10 jobs, if not top 5, in all of college basketball... what CITY is better than Minneapolis for a major D1 coach?

If you are loaded, can deal with the winter (that is when you are coaching anyways), this is the city to be a coach.

Our campus is not in the ghetto (Arizona, St. Johns, USC), like some other major stops nor is it isolated.

This city has it all (Culture, Lakes, Major Airport, Shopping, Golf).

I don't think I am being that bias here either. If you can win here, this is a great place to be a college coach.
 

Reusse needs attention

And he's getting it. He's a master a figuring out what will push the buttons of a fan base. Not worth the time and energy when we could be celebrating our new ranked status.

Valid points Johnny, but the turn in the economy will impact the decisions made on money spent. There's a hiring freeze at the U and tons of $$ toward sports isn't going to fly right now.
 



GortonsFisherman011 said:
I think the state of Minnesota loves him too much for him to leave to go elsewhere. After all, love and support from the fan base is one of the biggest things he was missing in Kentucky.
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I would take exception at that. Tubby will be a lot more respected and beloved by even his more hardcore detractors as time goes by. I remember some of the "things" said about Joe B Hall and he went to three Final Fours and won a national championship. Heck, I learned to cuss at the feet of adults airing their "opinion" of Joe B.'s coaching.

Now? He's the state's beloved "grandpa" who'll spin stories and everybody loves him. A lot of you have no idea what was what at Kentucky. Please don't let internet yahoo's and propagandists who only tell one side of a story color your viewpoint.

As to him leaving? We can all say what we like but, in the end, this is a business.
 

I'm sorry to keep posting on this nonsense which has nothing to do with this thread but, From the Barn, you can not be serious. My god that post was from last Feb. and no where is there any mention what so ever about a major player transfering like you declared, the guy said Payton had no reason to consider a transfer and I disagreed with that, there we're several obvious reasons why KP would consider it and he was at that time. they we're very upfrant about his future playing time here but in the end, it was his decision to stick it out and get his degree.

I knew you we're going to have to pull something out your ass to find something to back up your crazy statement but man that was pathetic. I have no problem admitting when I was wrong, but this certainly isn't one of them since I never said what you claimed in the first place.
 

I need some help on what new practice facility provides. I realize it would be a nice addition, but it seems to such a big deal. Don't they just need a basketball court, a weight room and a locker room?
 

Donovan said:
I need some help on what new practice facility provides. I realize it would be a nice addition, but it seems to such a big deal. Don't they just need a basketball court, a weight room and a locker room?
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They're really, really nice and have all the bell's and whistles: Coaches offices, video rooms, players lounge with flat screens, conference rooms, two or more full courts. OTS pushed for YEARS for one at UK (under a previous administration that was *ahem* suspect and which partly led to some of his trouble) that only came to fruition his last season. It was around a 30 million dollar project and was built with primarily private funding I believe. A couple of huge donation's by one individual in fact..15 million or so.

We can talk about tradition and all that but 17, 18 year old kids really like shiny new things. Have you ever seen the stuff at Oregon? Google it. It's amazing.
 



The Truth said:
I would take exception at that. Tubby will be a lot more respected and beloved by even his more hardcore detractors as time goes by. I remember some of the "things" said about Joe B Hall and he went to three Final Fours and won a national championship. Heck, I learned to cuss at the feet of adults airing their "opinion" of Joe B.'s coaching.

Now? He's the state's beloved "grandpa" who'll spin stories and everybody loves him. A lot of you have no idea what was what at Kentucky. Please don't let internet yahoo's and propagandists who only tell one side of a story color your viewpoint.

As to him leaving? We can all say what we like but, in the end, this is a business.
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The AD at Kentucky tried to run Tubby off in 2001 (after 110 W in 4 years, 1 NCAA and 3 SEC titles, 3 SECT championships) so he could re-hire Rick Pitino.

UK fans' criticism of Joe Hall is proof positive what idiots many of them are. The same thing with Tubby, although some wanted him gone even in May 1997.
 

JohnnyGopher said:
As for Tubby leaving, I haven't heard a word about it other than the normal Minnesota fan paranoia. Tubby may get approaced through some back channels if some big jobs open up but all indictations are he really likes it here, likes the rabid fan base yet they leave him alone for the most part, he likes that there are other sports teams in town so his team isn't the complete focus. They like the city and most important is that he is building something pretty special and I don't think he wants to start over again. That said, in the world of college athletics, nothing really surprises me anymore so I guess it's possible.

The only real problem right now is the practice facility and the normal Minnesota Administrative additude of waiting on these things, just ask John Anderson, won't work here.
Tubby will not let this issue go and Maturi can not keep putting it off. It will have to be addressed in the next 12-15 months or things could get ugly. Maturi will have to take a hard position one way or the other and a No or not right now decision and then I think the odds of Tubby staying are pretty slim.
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To spend $$ on a practice facility, in these economic times, is disturbing, imo. Williams can work for both functions. Things could get ugly, indeed. You can win without a practice facility.
 

If Tubby throws a fit over a practice facility, I think we will know why he came here. Legacy maintenance.
 

I heard Tubby on a show last night where he talked a lot more about teaching than about facilities. In fact facilities were not mentioned except maybe in terms of the fans in the barn.

He said this time of year it is important to remind the players to be thankful they have clothes on their back and a roof over their heads -
and the importance learning positive social skills.

Another time I heard him talk about the importance of loyalty to team and to each other.

I think Tubby is far more interested in teaching than he is about facilities.

I am sure he will push and push hard for a practice facility, but I doubt that will be the deal-breaker between Tubster and the U - JMO.
 

For Tubby, the practice facility is huge, and I think justifiably so.

Tubby doesn't want to compete for Big Ten titles, he wants to compete for championships. Any coach at his level does. In order to compete with the best programs in basketball to get the top recruits across the country, we need all the bells & whistles that they have.

Yes, it's going to cost money. However, I think we Minnesotans are extremely happy with the recent success we've had, and are always conservative about building new facilities etc, saying, "well, let's just wait for a bit and think about it."

Tubby is way ahead of us; he's thinking down the road. In order to get a facility built, he has to start planting the seed now in order to get it built when he's still coaching our team.

I think it's a great sign that he is so adamant about the practice facility; it shows that he isn't looking at this gig as a stepping stone where he will bolt in a year or two...he wants the program to compete for years to come, and presumably wants to be an integral part of that.
 

think it's a great sign that he is so adamant about the practice facility; it shows that he isn't looking at this gig as a stepping stone where he will bolt in a year or two...he wants the program to compete for years to come, and presumably wants to be an integral part of that.
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Good point. Perhaps a new practice facility could be built to help stimulate our economy.:)

If we do build a practice facility I think expectations for consistent winning and championships would rise dramatically among the Gopher fans. We would become more like Kentucky.
 

From The Barn Calls Out JonnyGopher -- Who's Right???

From the Barn said:
http://thehole84398.yuku.com/reply/630/t/Krys-Faber-favors-Minnesota.html#reply-630

What were you suggesting there?
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Here are the pertinent posts from the exchange you're referring to:

Goph4phan: "This comes up about once every 2 months. Payton has already taken a redshirt year, so if he wanted to still play D-1 hoops he'd have to lose a year of eligibility. I see KP having no reason to leave the program"

JonnyGopherP: "Are you sure about that[?]"

I don't see that JG was necessarily suggesting anything (although it's possible) -- he simply asked if Goph4phan was sure about his statement. No response from Goph4phan, and the subject just died. That suggests that JG wasn't really pushing any specific or conlusion.

Sorry, From The Barn, but you really didn't do much to support your point. I think it would be best to let it go, rather than to continue trying to defend a weak position.

On topic -- I hope that Tubby stays until he retires, and that the U of M finds a way to raise the $$$ for a top-notch practice facility. It'll get help better players here, which will improve the program, which will in turn increase revenue for the athletic department -- that's a win/win. So, a practice facility is not simply a large one-time expense -- it's an investment in the program, which will serve the long term interests of the school as a whole.

Whether that kind of $$$ can be raised in this type of economy is questionable, but that doesn't mean that Tubby should stop trying to lay the groundwork to make it happen when the $$$ is available.
 

Can we convert the Ridder arena, that was a huge waste of money that Chris Voelz rail-roaded through on her way out the door.
 

I would be willing to predict that if Tubby continues to get results, that there are plenty of deep pocketed alumni who could get that practice facility built in a hurry.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
The AD at Kentucky tried to run Tubby off in 2001 (after 110 W in 4 years, 1 NCAA and 3 SEC titles, 3 SECT championships) so he could re-hire Rick Pitino.

UK fans' criticism of Joe Hall is proof positive what idiots many of them are. The same thing with Tubby, although some wanted him gone even in May 1997.
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We all know how bad Larry Ivy was; using the UKAD as his own personal fiefdom and piggybank. HIs failure to pay for assistant coaches (which caused George Felton to leave) and his refusal to upgrade facilites because "we're Kentucky. We don't need them" are all documented and contributed to many of the problems OTS had in recruiting.

Of course you also fail to mention Mitch Barnhart's commitment to OTS with his contract extension in 03 that made him a very wealthy man and building the state of the art Craft Center.

Joe B wasn't Rupp and Tubby wasn't Pitino. It's hard following a legend and trying to live up to what both men accomplished at Kentucky. But let's be honest with ourselves for a moment: Unrealistic expectations or not, if OTS had broken through to the Final Four in 03 or 05 (or both years) he'd still be at Kentucky. The fact that he didn't (and what happened post 05) led him to Minnesota. I think it's worked out well for both programs-both of which were in need of new blood, new vision and new direction.
 

The Truth said:
We all know how bad Larry Ivy was; using the UKAD as his own personal fiefdom and piggybank. HIs failure to pay for assistant coaches (which caused George Felton to leave) and his refusal to upgrade facilites because "we're Kentucky. We don't need them" are all documented and contributed to many of the problems OTS had in recruiting.

Of course you also fail to mention Mitch Barnhart's commitment to OTS with his contract extension in 03 that made him a very wealthy man and building the state of the art Craft Center.

Joe B wasn't Rupp and Tubby wasn't Pitino. It's hard following a legend and trying to live up to what both men accomplished at Kentucky. But let's be honest with ourselves for a moment: Unrealistic expectations or not, if OTS had broken through to the Final Four in 03 or 05 (or both years) he'd still be at Kentucky. The fact that he didn't (and what happened post 05) led him to Minnesota. I think it's worked out well for both programs-both of which were in need of new blood, new vision and new direction.
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UK was 32-4 (19-0 undefeated vs SEC and #1 team in AP poll) in 2003 so a contract extension was warranted. UK was 87-15 (85%) for the #1 W-L record in college basketball in 2003-04-05.

Tubby convinced a personal friend from Tulsa (Joe Craft) to donate $6 million to finish the facility when Mitch B couldn't raise the $ needed to do so.

Tubby has won 5 of 7 vs Pitino this decade. It APPEARS he may be > Pitino right now.

FF in 2003 or 2005 (regardless), Tubby and his family are plenty happy to be in Minnesota and gone from Kentucky.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
UK was 32-4 (19-0 undefeated vs SEC and #1 team in AP poll) in 2003 so a contract extension was warranted. UK was 87-15 (85%) for the #1 W-L record in college basketball in 2003-04-05.

Tubby convinced a personal friend from Tulsa (Joe Craft) to donate $6 million to finish the facility when Mitch B couldn't raise the $ needed to do so.

Tubby has won 5 of 7 vs Pitino this decade. It APPEARS he may be > Pitino right now.

FF in 2003 or 2005 (regardless), Tubby and his family are plenty happy to be in Minnesota and gone from Kentucky.
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You sir are the master of dodging everything and trying to spin your way out of answering anything of substance.

1. An outstanding record (and a well deserved raise) but the lack of a Final Four appearance or a National Title dampens it a bit. You just can't deny that.

2. Joe Craft is also a UK alum and a native Kentuckian who made his fortune in the energy business. His friendship with OTS was/is real but his connection with the University and the commonwealth was as well. Plus, Mitch has alienated long time Old Boy Network boosters with his new model and vision for UK athletics. It's no longer about what you gave 30 years ago, who you know or how you profit from "favors" in the AD's office. You can also ignore the fact that Mitch gave OTS what he always wanted and committed to him fully. His repayment? Sub-par recruiting, some really bad records his last two seasons (and losses) and bolting for another school.

3. Tubby is an outstanding basketball coach and Pitino has yet to regain the magic in revitalizing the UofL program post-Crum that he had at Kentucky (which is hard. That was a very special time at a very special place. That kind of magic doesn't come around very often). Both are HoF, National Championship coaches. What any of that has to do with OTS following Pitino at Kentucky (like Joe B following Rupp) is beyond me.

4. Maybe so. But I also know he's told Van Florence (among others) that he and Donna are planning on returning to Kentucky once Tubby retires. Just like Clem Haskins has returned (albeit he is a native son) after he left Minnesota. I think Tubby and his family love Kentucky and a lot of the people there. What they don't enjoy is the intense focus and spotlight on Kentucky Basketball. It's hard to survive in the job. It either takes great ego (Rupp, Pitino) or great character (Tubby Smith) to survive. Lesser men (like Eddie Sutton) haven't fared as well.
 

Honestly, both FoT and The Truth, the vast majority of us couldn't care less about the inner workings of Kentucky's AD department and donors.

We are extremely excited that Gophers are playing well, just came off a big win, and have some exciting games coming up.

I'd just politely ask you guys to refrain from making this thread, or any other for that matter, a banter back and forth about the history of Tubby and the Kentucky basketball program. That's what the Kentucky board is for. Thanks!
 

ShowinGoldyLove said:
Honestly, both FoT and TruthTeller, the vast majority of us couldn't care less about the inner workings of Kentucky's AD department and donors.

We are extremely excited that Gophers are playing well, just came off a big win, and have some exciting games coming up.

I'd just politely ask you guys to refrain from making this thread, or any other for that matter, a banter back and forth about the history of Tubby and the Kentucky basketball program. That's what the Kentucky board is for. Thanks!
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Edit: Counterproductive to polite discourse. I apologize for cluttering up your board.
 

ShowingGoldy, you hit it right on the head. I have been trying to ignore both FoT's and Truth's comments without responding to their bickering, but it was getting boring. Thank you for interjecting on behalf of a lot of us who are tired of their bantering about KY. We love Tubby, the job he is doing, and we LOVE our PUPS, #23 in the nation in both major polls. GO GOPHERS!!!!!
 

Actually, now's a great time

Construct your way into good times.

One of the ideas for stimulus is building public buildings. Even though it will only be used by 2 team, it is a public building.
 

Right on the money, Ski U. Public works built this great nation, and will rebuild it again. Public works for Gopher Athletics....put people to work, they pay taxes, income grows, everyone wins. It's called investing in the future. GO GOPHERS!!!!!!!!!!
 

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