Recruiting will improve under Kill

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GopherFB said:
It's not word games. Bump=small variance( A slight swelling or lump), jump=large variance (To undergo a sudden and pronounced increase).

These are no word games. Maybe a failure to comprehend your native language, but not word games.
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Okay bump equals how many spots?
Jump=?
Tell me.
 

glovedgopher said:
Okay bump equals how many spots?
Jump=?
Tell me.
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I already said 6-20 spots seems to be the range and what I'd call a "bump". Obviously, more than that could be called a jump.

Your opinion may be different on what constitues a bump or jump.

Nice, straw man you're heading into by the way.
 

GopherFB said:
Note that 2008 was the first year bump that almost every coach sees. Once people stopped buying into Brewster, the rankings dropped off. I don't count 2007 as his first recruitig year, as I won't count 2010 as Kill's.

Kill will probably have a nice recruiting class in his first full season, we'll see how it goes after that.
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So was Brew's first year a bump or jump according to you? Here you called it a bump.
 


I think you all give Brew more credit than he deserved with respect to recruiting - I think he was better at recruiting hype than actual results. I'd be happy if Kill maybe does less BrewHa and more development. We aren't going to be in the running for five stars until we can show we play like five stars.
 



GopherFB said:
Ron Zook, went from outside top 50 recuit rankings to #30 in first full recruiting year.
Bret Bielema- from 40-34.
Nick Saban- #10 to #1
Jim Harbaugh, outside top 50 to #50
Chip Kelly 32 to 13
Bill Stewart 42 to 27


Most coaches do see a bump after their first full season.
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By the way go by Scouts Rankings
2007 Stanford-#43
2008 Stanford-#43
Where's the bump for the first year head coach?
I know you used Rivals
 


Jeshurun said:
Glad to see you didn't off yourself after we failed to get Golden.
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It's funny that most people would've been pleased with Golden. Now many are claiming to write off the U entirely and to give up their season tickets.

What makes it interesting to observe is that both are "just MAC coaches.":rolleyes:
 



Brewster was known as a good recruiter and did bring in some nice recruits...he just couldn't coach them...whehter or not Kill will be a good recruiter remains to be seen....only one thing is for sure, Kill has shown the ability to actually coach
 

GopherFB said:
It's not word games. Bump=small variance( A slight swelling or lump), jump=large variance (To undergo a sudden and pronounced increase).

These are no word games. Maybe a failure to comprehend your native language, but not word games.
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How old are you two? 8? 9?
 

GopherFB said:
I refered to it as a bump, but was more of a jump.

POINT?
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My point is you fail to give Brewster any credit for recruiting. I can agree that he didn't live up to all the recruiting hype but I can't deny that he was far better than previous coaches. We have just witnessed how hard it can be to sell the Football program to coaches and must realize it is the same way for players. Kill will have a very hard time improving on Brewster's ratings but he can make up for it with coaching.
 




glovedgopher said:
My point is you fail to give Brewster any credit for recruiting. I can agree that he didn't live up to all the recruiting hype but I can't deny that he was far better than previous coaches. We have just witnessed how hard it can be to sell the Football program to coaches and must realize it is the same way for players. Kill will have a very hard time improving on Brewster's ratings but he can make up for it with coaching.
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Where did I say he wasn't a good recruiter?

Really, I'm not sure if he was or wasn't. He was either such a crap coach that the talent didn't show through or the talent wasn't as good as the ranking. I guess we'll see next year.
 

Gophfan22 said:
Brewster was known as a good recruiter and did bring in some nice recruits...he just couldn't coach them...whehter or not Kill will be a good recruiter remains to be seen....only one thing is for sure, Kill has shown the ability to actually coach
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This is my point.
 

GopherFB said:
Where did I say he wasn't a good recruiter?

Really, I'm not sure if he was or wasn't. He was either such a crap coach that the talent didn't show through or the talent wasn't as good as the ranking. I guess we'll see next year.
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I blame Maturi!
 

Dekalb is not really the problem

MrGopher said:
You've apparently never been to DeKalb.
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Greater Chicagoland is getting closer and closer to Dekalb to the point where its location and size is not really the issue. Certainly compared to some of the other MAC locations, it is acceptable. I don't think that you can use Dekalb as an excuse for lower recruiting classes. However, because it is the MAC you don't expect to see top flight classes anyway. It is entirely possible that Kill could not do much better in that conference even if he had all of the charisma of Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and Mark Richt rolled into one. This not the issue.

The real question is can Coach Kill (who I think we should nickname "Buzz" for the impact he has had on this board) recruit at a higher level. Recruits don't know him, saying you won the west division of the MAC one year is probably not a deal clincher and he does not, at first blush, appear to be the type of attractive leader that kids would be drawn to. Sure we have new facilities, but I would doubt that a new stadium is the first thing that a recruit things of when trying to decide whether he should send in his packet. Will recruiting automatically improve? No. Will he win enough games fast enough to have a positive impact on recruiting. Doubtful. It will be very hard to win fast enough to overcome OSU, PSU, WI, IOWA, MSU, NE, MI, not to mention all of the heavy weights in the other conferences. The only way the U would have a chance is if they started with a figure that was known and appealing to the high level recruit. Joel decided, once again, not to do that.
 

Recruiting is the question mark for me, but it's a real unknown. The MAC to the Big 10 is apples-to-oranges.

It would be great if he could get the 5-year cycle underneath him. That seems to be what both Wisconsin and Iowa (and a lot of other programs) do well. Recruit solid, but not necessarily spectacular, "grunts" that you red-shirt and coach up. Have offensive and defensive lines with 4th year juniors and 5th year seniors. Run out and get a couple of 4-star kids for the skilled positions and you've got it going.
 

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