Press Conf Notes: Kill wishes he could have gotten more wins for the seniors

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Great summary Nadine. I really like this staff, hopefully they can get the JUCO D players we need to fill big holes for next year.
 

35 new players next year and 8 starting in January... that's what caught my attention.
 


I want to talk about football and the kids, not so much on me, and my health. I'm more open than any coach in the country. My situation is going to be with me the rest of my life, so I deal with it. It won't affect my job, and it if does, I wouldn't be here. My health is something that can be control. I'm in pretty good health, if you come to practice, I can get after it pretty good. I'm scrappy.
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I realize I find Kill's health issues to be far more of a concern than most do, but I wonder if no one else is bothered by comments like this? If you're not going to talk about it, then don't talk about it.

Kill saying he's more open than any coach in the country is laughable. He didn't come out and say what surgery was for in 2010 and I'd bet money that he was in the hospital shortly thereafter last season for a week due to seizures, but hasn't yet admitted it. "I don't want to talk about it!" does not qualify as being open.

He has had week-long stays in the hospital during four of the last seven seasons. Not the off-season. Middle of the year, when every minute is important. Combine that fact with the obvious impact that his health issues have on recruiting and his claim that his health doesn't affect his job is ridiculous.

I hope for the best with respect to his health and well being, but the nonsense talk is bothersome. If the seizures can be controlled, then why have they continued even after Dr. Smith started following him around with a cup of water?

If you're going to keep coaching and don't want to talk about your health, then do that. But don't tell me you're the most open coach in the nation and that your health doesn't affect your job.
 


Gopher Warrior said:
Combine that fact with the obvious impact that his health issues have on recruiting and his claim that his health doesn't affect his job is ridiculous.
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And it has negatively affected recruiting in what way? Do you have some proof or should we just roll with it and take you at your unsubstantiated word? I mean, considering we had a recruit verbal to the U after BEING AT THE NMSU game I'm interested to see your evidence.
Gopher Warrior said:
I hope for the best with respect to his health and well being, but the nonsense talk is bothersome. If the seizures can be controlled, then why have they continued even after Dr. Smith started following him around with a cup of water?
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And this is where you betray your continued inability to understand seizure disorders. For some people, they don't go away completely, even with meds. In this instance, it sounds like he had one while he was sleeping. They aren't life threatening, even when they are of the more serious, NMSU, type.
 

Nice summary, Nadine. I look forward to your coverage of coach Kill's presser. Thanks!

Go Gophers!!
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Kill saying he's more open than any coach in the country is laughable. He didn't come out and say what surgery was for in 2010 and I'd bet money that he was in the hospital shortly thereafter last season for a week due to seizures, but hasn't yet admitted it. "I don't want to talk about it!" does not qualify as being open.
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He had his gall bladder removed and I don't believe he refused to say what the surgery was for he just didn't come out and tell everyone, and why should he? If he was asked by someone I'm sure he would have told him, which would be defined as being "open" about it. I guess I'm not sure what you would expect here.

Also, the "I'd bet money" comment makes no sense. Are you saying that you bet he is was in the hospital for seizures but don't have any evidence? Didn't he accept the HC job here immediately after their season ended last year? I don't remember him being in the hospital after he accepted our HC job?
 

GoAUpher said:
And it has negatively affected recruiting in what way? Do you have some proof or should we just roll with it and take you at your unsubstantiated word? I mean, considering we had a recruit verbal to the U after BEING AT THE NMSU game I'm interested to see your evidence.
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It's common sense that his health issues are a negative to recruiting. Go read the 'Kills Toughness' thread from September to refresh your memory. Kill himself said in September 2010 that the perception of his health issues "affects recruiting and everything that I am doing right now."

sonnygarcia said:
He had his gall bladder removed and I don't believe he refused to say what the surgery was for he just didn't come out and tell everyone, and why should he? If he was asked by someone I'm sure he would have told him, which would be defined as being "open" about it.
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You shouldn't be so sure. He refused to disclose what it was when asked. A couple of weeks later the disclosure of 'bladder surgery' finally came out, mostly because everyone was assuming it was cancer.

sonnygarcia said:
Also, the "I'd bet money" comment makes no sense. Are you saying that you bet he is was in the hospital for seizures but don't have any evidence? Didn't he accept the HC job here immediately after their season ended last year? I don't remember him being in the hospital after he accepted our HC job?
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It makes perfect sense. It means I am confident that he was in hospital because of seizures. Nine days after his bladder surgery (which at the time he had still refused to tell people what the surgery was for), his wife called for an ambulance and he was taken to the hospital, where he was admitted and stayed until late in the week. To my knowledge, the explanation has been limited to 'dehydration'. The reality is I'd bet incredible sums of money that he was having seizures once again.

Finally, no, he did not accept the head coaching job here immediately after NIU's season ended last year. He accepted the job immediately after his team got blown out in a football game in which they were heavy favorites. His players found out from sources outside of the school that Kill was leaving and he did so immediately - he did not coach their final game. They went on to win that bowl game - something a Jerry Kill-coached team has never done.

[edit: 'shortly thereafter last season' meant during the 2010 season, shortly after his then-undisclosed surgery']
 



Gopher Warrior said:
It's common sense that his health issues are a negative to recruiting. Go read the 'Kills Toughness' thread from September to refresh your memory. Kill himself said in September 2010 that the perception of his health issues "affects recruiting and everything that I am doing right now."
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I did not realize that the definition of common sense was "backs up an opinion I cannot validate empirically through any observable means." Good to know. Thanks for setting me straight GW. Watch out world, I have a bull that would like to share its smelly pile of common sense with you!

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying that health issues can't be a negative or used against Kill. But out of all of this we've seen what negative effects exactly? A verbal of a player we want (which is not a negative) and ???.
Gopher Warrior said:
You shouldn't be so sure. He refused to disclose what it was when asked. A couple of weeks later the disclosure of 'bladder surgery' finally came out, mostly because everyone was assuming it was cancer.
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So you're acussing Kill of lying? Or just being slow to disseminate information? A link to the "didn't want to tell anyone" part would strengthen your cause (same applies to sonny's claim that he did).
Gopher Warrior said:
It makes perfect sense. It means I am confident that he was in hospital because of seizures. Nine days after his bladder surgery (which at the time he had still refused to tell people what the surgery was for), his wife called 911 and he was taken by ambulance to the hospital, where he was admitted and stayed until late in the week. To my knowledge, the explanation has been limited to 'dehydration'. The reality is I'd bet incredible sums of money that he was having seizures once again.
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Again, some links to the dehydration 911 thing would be nice.
 

He is walking on egg shells with health issues at age 50. The seizures can be reasonably controlled, but he seems to be having issues ( cancer,gall bladder, etc) that you normally strikes you later in life. Stress can also make an old man out of you in a hurry. I most certainly hope he can get out of the funk and just deal with getting this program back on its feet. A monumental task indeed.
 

ruppertflywheel said:
The seizures can be reasonably controlled, but he seems to be having issues ( cancer,gall bladder, etc) that you normally strikes you later in life.
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Cancer normally strikes you later in life? I'd better tell all the pediatric oncologists I know that their jobs are unnecessary.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
I realize I find Kill's health issues to be far more of a concern than most do, but I wonder if no one else is bothered by comments like this? If you're not going to talk about it, then don't talk about it.

Kill saying he's more open than any coach in the country is laughable. He didn't come out and say what surgery was for in 2010 and I'd bet money that he was in the hospital shortly thereafter last season for a week due to seizures, but hasn't yet admitted it. "I don't want to talk about it!" does not qualify as being open.

He has had week-long stays in the hospital during four of the last seven seasons. Not the off-season. Middle of the year, when every minute is important. Combine that fact with the obvious impact that his health issues have on recruiting and his claim that his health doesn't affect his job is ridiculous.

I hope for the best with respect to his health and well being, but the nonsense talk is bothersome. If the seizures can be controlled, then why have they continued even after Dr. Smith started following him around with a cup of water?

If you're going to keep coaching and don't want to talk about your health, then do that. But don't tell me you're the most open coach in the nation and that your health doesn't affect your job.
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Way to spread conspiracy theories and some godawful agenda. Talk like this hurts everything involved with gopher football, even if its on a message board.

THE MAN WENT ON COLLEGE GAMEDAY AND CUT OPEN A VEIN.
He specifically talked about everything, his cancer survival and seizure disorder fight are mainstays of his speeches.

You are accusing some pretty serious stuff here, back it up with fact if you don't believe what he's said about his health. But you can't due to patient privacy laws, and the reality that he's been up front and open about all this stuff since he's been hired. Seriously shut up.
 



Gopher Warrior said:
It's common sense that his health issues are a negative to recruiting. Go read the 'Kills Toughness' thread from September to refresh your memory. Kill himself said in September 2010 that the perception of his health issues "affects recruiting and everything that I am doing right now."

It makes perfect sense. It means I am confident that he was in hospital because of seizures. Nine days after his bladder surgery [edit: 'shortly thereafter last season' meant during the 2010 season, shortly after his then-undisclosed surgery']
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I'm sure Coach appreciates your concern.

I look forward to your biography of him hitting the shelves shortly. It should be a real page-turner.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
It's common sense that his health issues are a negative to recruiting. Go read the 'Kills Toughness' thread from September to refresh your memory. Kill himself said in September 2010 that the perception of his health issues "affects recruiting and everything that I am doing right now."



You shouldn't be so sure. He refused to disclose what it was when asked. A couple of weeks later the disclosure of 'bladder surgery' finally came out, mostly because everyone was assuming it was cancer.



It makes perfect sense. It means I am confident that he was in hospital because of seizures. Nine days after his bladder surgery (which at the time he had still refused to tell people what the surgery was for), his wife called for an ambulance and he was taken to the hospital, where he was admitted and stayed until late in the week. To my knowledge, the explanation has been limited to 'dehydration'. The reality is I'd bet incredible sums of money that he was having seizures once again.

Finally, no, he did not accept the head coaching job here immediately after NIU's season ended last year. He accepted the job immediately after his team got blown out in a football game in which they were heavy favorites. His players found out from sources outside of the school that Kill was leaving and he did so immediately - he did not coach their final game. They went on to win that bowl game - something a Jerry Kill-coached team has never done.

[edit: 'shortly thereafter last season' meant during the 2010 season, shortly after his then-undisclosed surgery']
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Blown out? They lost 26-21 on a 33 yard pass with 33 seconds left in the 4th quarter. During that game winning drive for Miami they completed a 31 yard pass on 4th down and 20 on a tipped pass that was incredibly lucky. Kill lost that game on a total fluke, and you say they were blown out? Get a clue moron.
 



Gopher Warrior, it seems since I've been here you've had two big concerns about Gopher sports, Kill's health and Mbakwe criminal trials. Nothing you've said has been based on fact. Why should I listen to anything you have to say?
 

Coach's health issues seem to be stabilizing, but we'll see; also, NIU was not "blown out" in the game with Miami - went down to the wire.
 

zambam said:
Gopher Warrior, it seems since I've been here you've had two big concerns about Gopher sports, Kill's health and Mbakwe criminal trials. Nothing you've said has been based on fact. Why should I listen to anything you have to say?
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Not one good reason that I can think of...
 

GoAUpher said:
EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying that health issues can't be a negative or used against Kill.
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Good to see things are starting to click for you.

GoAUpher said:
So you're acussing Kill of lying?
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Ole said:
You are accusing some pretty serious stuff here
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Yawn. I'm not acussing or accusing anyone of anything. I'm stating facts - Kill isn't the most open coach in the world and his health issues do affect his job.
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Guys, I apologize for saying that the team he quit on was 'blown out'. Although it's a subjective description, it's not a reasonable description for that particular game. I knew better - exaggerating with the words 'blown out' would cause some people to latch onto that comment, and only that comment, which has nothing to do with the topic being discussed. Probably should have just gone with something more objective such as, "his team lost by more than 3 touchdowns against the spread."
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dpodoll68 said:
Cancer normally strikes you later in life? I'd better tell all the pediatric oncologists I know that their jobs are unnecessary.
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When I read what ruppert wrote, I thought he was saying that multiple major medical issues usually occur in older folks not that "cancer only occurs in old people and never young people"... but, with respect to only cancer, isn't it true that the median age for most types of cancer in America is in the 60s? I think the point is that compared to the average guy who is employed at a high-stress, no sleep type of job, Jerry Kill has dealt with (and continues to deal with) a ton of health issues.

zambam said:
Gopher Warrior, it seems since I've been here you've had two big concerns about Gopher sports, Kill's health and Mbakwe criminal trials. Nothing you've said has been based on fact. Why should I listen to anything you have to say?
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You said you're an 18 year old boy that does not go to the U, correct? At that age, I think it's great that you're participating on a board like this and my answer is you might want to listen to just about everything anyone has to say (as well as continue to contribute your own thoughts). Most things can be taken as an example in life - just remember that some are good examples and some are bad.

Much of what I have said is based on fact, although I would agree my take on things often differs from the general consensus. You bring up two matters specifically. Some of the commonalities in those matters are: they have put the national spotlight on the University and not in a good way, the AD has done what looks to me like flip-flopping on both of these matters, which does not look good (i.e., "the time is now to get his health issues resolved!" per the AD turns quickly into acceptance of Kill's "screw that" & "he'll be suspended until the felony case is resolved" changes to "he'll play with the felony charges as well as a new misdemeanor charge"), and both of these matters are unresolved as of today.

If you look around major college sports, you won't find many universities with a coach who often spends a week in the hospital during the season or a school that has a player hitting with court or field with multiple pending criminal cases against him, including the felony assault of a woman.

I hope Kill enjoys perfect health and goes on to do great things here in five years when we are allowed to begin judging his job performance. I hope Mbakwe wins Big Ten player of the year while leading his team to a national championship. But I also wish the health and legal issues didn't exist.
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I'm hopping off this thread, but if you have further questions or gripes feel free to PM me.
 


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