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EG#9 said:
There were about as many very discouraging performances this season as their were encouraging ones. I thought we'd see a more creative offensive game plan for Syracuse, which we did not see. I didn't think we'd see the defense, which had been consistently solid for most of the season, miss as many tackles as it did.

I think those who believe this program has turned a corner, need to at least consider the possibility that the 4 game B1G winning streak was a mirage and what we've seen for the rest of this staff's tenure is the reality.
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It's possible the Penn State game was the peak. I don't think so, but it's hard to feel optimistic at this moment.
 

Studwell55 said:
We weren't prepared to win.

What else is there to say? We went through the motions for almost 3 quarters.
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+1

Poor preparation, poor execution, poor motivation. Liedner seemed to be the only one trying to show any fire.

Overall grade: F
 

MZBKA said:
You add a lot to the discussion and clearly can discuss Gopher football like an adult.
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OK, let me put my adult hat on. I still think you are an idiot for the continual rips on Wolitarsky. He is one of our bright spots going forward and probably would have had 100 yards receiving tonight if we had a QB that could hit the broad side of a barn. Now, Leidner came back and threw some nice balls but it was too little, too late.
 

Is Jerry Kill really 0-21 after trailing at the half? That's Mason-like. . .
 



Indi1006 said:
OK, let me put my adult hat on. I still think you are an idiot for the continual rips on Wolitarsky. He is one of our bright spots going forward and probably would have had 100 yards receiving tonight if we had a QB that could hit the broad side of a barn. Now, Leidner came back and threw some nice balls but it was too little, too late.
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As has been said, it wasn't Wolitarsky that lost the game. The defense could have actually made a stop on the last Cuse drive. But they didn't. We could of not had 14506 penalties today either (I may be overstating that stat). Our QBs were terrible, but they were most of the year. I don't expect that true freshman receivers are going to step up. If they do great, but don't expect it. And did D Jones get one ball his way today? I don't recall him getting one jet sweep. We still have a long ways to go to have a BCS average offense.
 

gopherinpain said:
Poorly coached and prepared. The entire team slept walked through the first three quarters. Nelson should never take another snap for this team. He has no leadership and plays like a scared kid.

With a month to prepare this offense looked no different than the team that had gone without an offensive TD for several quarters. The all out blitz call at the end of the game was silly and reckless. Drop back and make the guy, make a throw.

Without some key defensive guys next year and this same pathetic offense this team will be much worse and Kill will be back on the hot seat.
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And I'm guessing you gleefully wallowed in every minute of it. Feel good to make another sky is falling post?
 





6 straight bowl losses for Syracuse? Check your facts again sir. Syracuse has won their last 3
 


Sparlimb said:
As has been said, it wasn't Wolitarsky that lost the game. The defense could have actually made a stop on the last Cuse drive. But they didn't. We could of not had 14506 penalties today either (I may be overstating that stat). Our QBs were terrible, but they were most of the year. I don't expect that true freshman receivers are going to step up. If they do great, but don't expect it. And did D Jones get one ball his way today? I don't recall him getting one jet sweep. We still have a long ways to go to have a BCS average offense.
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Kill should tell Limegrover he has to run six jet sweeps and six bubble screens a game; otherwise I think he gets caught up in running it between the tackles so much he forget or something. Both of those plays help to open up all kinds of options and I just don't get why we don't mix it up more than we do. I just can't imagine that opposing DCs think it is tough to gameplan against Limegrover/Kill. I really don't know if this is a good comparison, but Northern Illinois' offense got hammered last year in the Orange Bowl and again this year in the bowl game. Perhaps this stuff just doesn't translate very well when going up against the better teams. Perhaps it's fine when you're rolling up the average MAC team or a middling B1G team, but it seems like pretty much every time I've seen it rolled out against the elite type teams it gets smoked.
 




Indi1006 said:
Kill should tell Limegrover he has to run six jet sweeps and six bubble screens a game; otherwise I think he gets caught up in running it between the tackles so much he forget or something. Both of those plays help to open up all kinds of options and I just don't get why we don't mix it up more than we do. I just can't imagine that opposing DCs think it is tough to gameplan against Limegrover/Kill. I really don't know if this is a good comparison, but Northern Illinois' offense got hammered last year in the Orange Bowl and again this year in the bowl game. Perhaps this stuff just doesn't translate very well when going up against the better teams. Perhaps it's fine when you're rolling up the average MAC team or a middling B1G team, but it seems like pretty much every time I've seen it rolled out against the elite type teams it gets smoked.
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jet sweep could lose you 5 yards.. 'tween the tackles is a gimme 3 yards.. most O coordinators take the 3.
plus, a fumble on a jet sweep is a sitting duck ( like today ), where a fumble between the tackles is a 50/50 ball.
 

dboy said:
jet sweep could lose you 5 yards.. 'tween the tackles is a gimme 3 yards.. most O coordinators take the 3.
plus, a fumble on a jet sweep is a sitting duck ( like today ), where a fumble between the tackles is a 50/50 ball.
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OK, Woody Hayes but in today's world generally to win games you can't just run it off tackle 25 times and expect it to work against a team of any skill level. It we were talking about junior high football then yes a jet sweep it more dangerous. On a Big Ten team they should be able to run it ad nauseum without any fumble issues. The idea is to win the game and I don't think Limegrover, overall, calls games that can win most games here in the Big Leagues.
 


Lot more energy at last year's game against Tech. And yes, it really was a Mason type loss. The loss put a damper
on a good season. A win would've greatly helped recruiting .
 

Seemed a failure of fundamental football. DON"T put the ball on the ground anywhere!


dboy said:
jet sweep could lose you 5 yards.. 'tween the tackles is a gimme 3 yards.. most O coordinators take the 3.
plus, a fumble on a jet sweep is a sitting duck ( like today ), where a fumble between the tackles is a 50/50 ball.
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Indi1006 said:
OK, Woody Hayes but in today's world generally to win games you can't just run it off tackle 25 times and expect it to work against a team of any skill level. It we were talking about junior high football then yes a jet sweep it more dangerous. On a Big Ten team they should be able to run it ad nauseum without any fumble issues. The idea is to win the game and I don't think Limegrover, overall, calls games that can win most games here in the Big Leagues.
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Limegrover has very few weapons... in close games, he's fine with a 3-and-out.. he will not 'open up' the offense in a close game... plus, 'open up' with what? the jet sweep was doomed today after the fumble.. personally, Jones should get 4 or 5 jets a game.. but after the fumble, no way.

Limegrove hopes the D keeps us in the game ( it did today ), and the O gives us just enough to win ( it did today ). bottom line: Limegrover did his job today.
 

Lost bowl games on avoidable mistakes in the last 2 minutes each of the last two years. Can't keep choking.
 

Studwell55 said:
We weren't prepared to win.

What else is there to say? We went through the motions for almost 3 quarters.
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Bisker82 said:
+1

Poor preparation, poor execution, poor motivation. Liedner seemed to be the only one trying to show any fire.

Overall grade: F
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+2 I'm disappointed in the effort tonight. Worst showing since Iowa. Coulda', shoulda'...didn't.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Lost bowl games on avoidable mistakes in the last 2 minutes each of the last two years. Can't keep choking.
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Don't forget the 09 Insight Bowl. Don't know how much time was left, but Gray's fumble as the Gophers were going to take the lead didn't come with a lot of time left.
 

This team was really a .500 team as shown by the conference schedule. Based on the whole season, the Michigan and Syracuse games are the two that truly went the wrong way. However, you could argue that a couple of our wins could have gone the other way as well. We were opportunistic in our wins, but fell really flat in the losses.

Need to improve at QB, find a home run hitter at RB, and continue to improve on both lines.
 

dboy said:
Limegrover has very few weapons... in close games, he's fine with a 3-and-out.. he will not 'open up' the offense in a close game... plus, 'open up' with what? the jet sweep was doomed today after the fumble.. personally, Jones should get 4 or 5 jets a game.. but after the fumble, no way.

Limegrove hopes the D keeps us in the game ( it did today ), and the O gives us just enough to win ( it did today ). bottom line: Limegrover did his job today.
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We've scored 2 TDs in like 15 quarters but I guess for some folks keeping a game close against a middling squad is all we can ask for.
 

I'm encouraged to hear how discouraged people are. It means we have standards and ambitions. I hope Kill doesn't go Mason on us and start hinting that this is as good as it gets - that the best Minnesota should aspire to is this sort of borderline relevance.

An 8-win session is a nice step forward, but this game is a small step backwards in the wrong direction. It's important to keep the momentum going forward. It's disappointing that the coaches and players let this setback occur.
 

Indi1006 said:
We've scored 2 TDs in like 15 quarters but I guess for some folks keeping a game close against a middling squad is all we can ask for.
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Do you watch our QB's execute the forward pass? Executing plays is the problem on offense.
 


I guess I really do not understand what a 2012 or 2013 Northern Illinois Team losing a bowl game has to do with Limegrover/ Kill play calling and offensive play calling at Minnesota in 2013.

Rod Carey probably is not digging through old file cabinets looking for Kill era secret files to run his team and micromanage his OC.

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WOW! So obvious they were NOT ready to play and did not match Syracuse's intensity. No fire, no enthusiasm. I'm guessing that Kill figured this team was mature enough and on the right path that he didn't have to do much to get them amped up for the game.

I thought the stupid chain issue right before Syracuse's first snap helped Syracuse and stole some momentum from the Gophers pinning them deep.

I thought it was stupid to pull Nelson that early. At the same time, I thought Leidner was the only one who showed any enthusiasm or fire and looked like the only one that was trying to wake the team up!

For me, this was one of the two worst games of the Kill era. The home loss to New Mexico State being the other.

Absolutely agonizing to watch.

The penalty on Campion was awful, that officiating crew seemed clueless from the start (ex. the Syracuse fumble review - has there ever been a more obvious/routine fumble and recovery?) I think without that penalty we run out the clock or at least pin them deep on a punt. But that's what can happen when you don't even try to show up until the 2nd half and you have the kind of offense we do.

I put most of this on the coaching staff and the head coach. Not having the team ready to play, not looking like they had a very good game plan or that they were prepared as well as they should be. Also, not giving your starting quarterback enough of a chance before yanking him. Our blitzes were terrible (see their last TD), and our blitz protection was terrible. I guess credit Syracuse's O line.

The performance tonight can't help recruiting. Play like we can and we probably pick up one or a few possible difference makers. Just makes it harder if we can't get a few difference makers that may be persuaded by this game, like Kill said last year's game helped him get 6 or 7 guys.

Bottom line - Missed Opportunity. Very good year that the coaching staff and the team didn't finish. I think when it's all said and done Coach Kill will take a lot of the blame for this loss and hopefully he'll learn from it. I think even he assumed. It seems like the Gophers came into this game soft, and without an edge, and I've almost never seen that in the Kill era.

On the earlier Nelson comment, they just pulled him too early. He's been their guy all year, even to a fault earlier in the season, and they've usually been way too late to make a QB change, but this time, it was too early. Made no sense whatsoever based on everything that has transpired to date. Not saying Leidner didn't do well at the end of the 3rd qtr and the 4th qtr, but he didn't do squat until he had several series under his belt and a half time for the team to refocus/rejuvenate. I thought they should have put Leidner in way earlier in the Iowa game and I'm a big believer in yanking a QB if they're not doing the job and I've always thought Kill has waited too long to do that and so for them to do it too early in my opinion, doesn't make sense. Oh well.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Do you watch our QB's execute the forward pass? Executing plays is the problem on offense.
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Yep, but they coach the QBs and have had both on campus now for two full years. They have some responsibility for their play, lack of improvement and perhaps regression.
 

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