Possible New 32 Signing Limit Per Class

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Well, it might impact scholarship seating. And not in a good way.
 





Denver_Gopher said:
This is stupid IMO. Gives the haves more of an advantage.
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It also allows to change PWO offers to scholarship offers. 7 schollies x 120 teams = 840 kids getting a chance at a college degree at least partially paid for.
 




As I read that article, it sounds like it is not automatic. Point of story was that teams that lose players to the transfer portal would be allowed to sign up to 32 players - IF they had lost 7 players to transfers. basically, you could "over-sign" to replace transfers.

Otherwise, if Directional State lost 6 kids to transfers, and they could only sign 25 incoming players, that would leave them 6 kids under the scholarship limit.

Imagine a situation where a coach left and a bunch of players transferred. the incoming coach would be hosed if he couldn't sign extra players.

That is how I read the story. the overall team limit would remain the same.
 

highwayman said:
It also allows to change PWO offers to scholarship offers. 7 schollies x 120 teams = 840 kids getting a chance at a college degree at least partially paid for.
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No, I don’t think the scholarship limit is increased. This is more likely to accommodate the higher volume of transfers out, so they can be replaced without “oversigning.”

Of course, with NIL and the apparent acceptance of blanket “endorsement” payments to all players, that’s basically an expansion of partial scholarships. Like, the 3rd string walk-on long snapper endorsing your local, well, Snapper dealer for $thousands a year.
 

This makes sense to me.

With the portal it is possible you have a big exodus during a coaching change or something and ... then you will NEED to bring in more people to fill the gaps.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Otherwise, if Directional State lost 6 kids to transfers, and they could only sign 25 incoming players, that would leave them 6 kids under the scholarship limit.
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Isn't that already built in to the 25 limit? Even without any redshirts, signing max classes every year means you need to lose an average of 4 guys from every class to stay under 85.
 



SixBySix said:
Isn't that already built in to the 25 limit? Even without any redshirts, signing max classes every year means you need to lose an average of 4 guys from every class to stay under 85.
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That's on top of regular attrition though.
 

Taji34 said:
That's on top of regular attrition though.
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That was the gist of his point.

If you have a compounding 20% loss of the original 25 in a class over the following four years (talking five years of classes, including redshirts), you have:

year 1: 25
year 2: 20 remaining
year 3: 16 remaining
year 4: 13 remaining (rounded up from 12.8)
year 5: 10 remaining (rounded down from 10.24 or 10.4, either way)

Assume those hold for every class on average, and you add those up to get 84.

This accounts for all reasons that players leave, including guys who burn their redshirt and so don't make it to be a 5th year senior or exceptional players that leave early for the NFL.


I bet this held fairly true, say over 2010-2019 seasons if you looked at it and averaged over all the FBS (or just P5) teams and years.

But now the portal + the free transfer have skewed these numbers significantly. Think Dylan Wright.
 

There needs to be a hard roster limit at practice of 75, or 85, or 95

That’s the only way to regulate NIL

Otherwise someone’s walk ons JV team might be better than someone’s “scholarship” team.
 

Some guy said:
There needs to be a hard roster limit at practice of 75, or 85, or 95

That’s the only way to regulate NIL

Otherwise someone’s walk ons JV team might be better than someone’s “scholarship” team.
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It has to be more than 85 (which is the scholarship limit)

I think 100 would be a good number.
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
It has to be more than 85 (which is the scholarship limit)

I think 100 would be a good number.
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I think there's already a roster limit of 105 for fall camp, and then once school starts that is relaxed for "traditional" walkons to join the team (ie, the Rudy type guys that are happy to just put on a practice jersey and do some scout team work).
 

MplsGopher said:
I think there's already a roster limit of 105 for fall camp, and then once school starts that is relaxed for "traditional" walkons to join the team (ie, the Rudy type guys that are happy to just put on a practice jersey and do some scout team work).
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There has to be a hard limit to prevent NLI manipulation with walk-ons.
 




I'm having a bit of a difficult time figuring out how this juxtaposes with the transfer portal. Are more kids going to accept SEC offers where they probably won't play as freshmen and sophomores and then transfer out (and maybe down) because they haven't gotten any playing time. I guess I'm not seeing this big advantage for the helmet schools with incoming freshman. More kids may go to second-tier FBS schools and FCS schools and transfer up, so those schools may be in a better position to utilize the 32 limit. Of course, bringing kids in and keeping them are two entirely different animals. At worst, I think--given the existence of the portal--it's a push.

I do think it will change the whole concept of preferred walk-on because those players will likely be getting scholarship offers.
 

HoustonTXGopher said:
The rich get richer!
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The rich programs don’t need a higher limit. They are already exceeding the scholarship limit unofficially by offering guys NIL deals equal to the scholarship amounts or more if they don’t have the numbers to offer them a traditional scholarship.
 

This is done, I think, to help teams that lose a lot of players to the portal involuntarily. They can catch up again (use all their scholies again) quickly. But it will also enable coaches to play the Deion game, forcing out lots of younger players each year, I suspect.
 

Related, roster sizes should be REDUCED 3 scholarships. The biggest powers hoard too many good players. Shake some loose for others.
 

The rosters & scholarships need to be expanded for the benefit, safety of the players. The NCAA needs to stipulate any person on scholarship must graduate with a 4 year degree or that scholarship lays vacant. The under educated ignorant scholarship athletes must end. 50% of scholarship athletes never graduate. "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." Gomer Pyle U.S.M.C. "Follow PJ's example or be cast out." Demanding athletes to be educated is caring. Proud to be an American.
 

In a way, the prestige programs with all the cash are Minnesota's farm teams. We've added way more of their guys in the Portal Era than they have of ours.

32 man classes would just send even more stars to the blue bloods where the rules say only a few can play and most will end up bolting to places like Minnesota in a year or two.

So this just outsources Gopher freshman/sophomore player development even more to Clemson or Alabama.
 

Out State Gopher said:
The rosters & scholarships need to be expanded for the benefit, safety of the players. The NCAA needs to stipulate any person on scholarship must graduate with a 4 year degree or that scholarship lays vacant. The under educated ignorant scholarship athletes must end. 50% of scholarship athletes never graduate. "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." Gomer Pyle U.S.M.C. "Follow PJ's example or be cast out." Demanding athletes to be educated is caring. Proud to be an American.
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Source for 50% never graduate.
 


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