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Positives from tonight. . .

I am sure that guy who posts with the # signs and random words for a name will probably explain to us how this coupled with the TX -Arlington thrashing of TX-Pan American actually HELPED our RPI.
 

Next coach is to Tubby what Harbaugh was to Singletary.
 

There's no positives just depression. Lots of depression.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Positives from tonight. . .

I am sure that guy who posts with the # signs and random words for a name will probably explain to us how this coupled with the TX -Arlington thrashing of TX-Pan American actually HELPED our RPI.
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I might have to unblock him.
 

Please start Wally instead of Joe! I literally cover my eyes when Coleman touches the ball. Can't stand to watch him stand on the wing with the ball.
 



Positives: we are 1 game closer to the end of this disaster of a season.
 

One game closer to the glorious and miraculous turnaround that will leave us as dumbfounded as we currently are about the team's unexplainable swan dive.
 

Three mid-season collapses in a row clearly require a serious look at our program. Yes, what happened the past two years might be explained, but not this year. We have the talent and injuries and transfers can't be blamed. What concerns me is the likely cost of replacing Tubby. Jim Souham estimated it to be in the vicinity of $6 million. That's almost half the cost of a critically needed basketball facility. Ideally we hire Shaka Smart, the Minnesota 2014 three commit, and we break ground on a new practice facility. But I doubt that Norwood would be able to come up with the bucks required to accomplish all of that in the short run. Unless we are able to hire someone to replace Tubby who can attract top level talent immediately, my inclination would be to swallow hard, stay the course with Tubby, and save the coach replacement dollars for a practice facility. Until we have such a facility, I doubt we will be able to take out program to the next level.
 



vagopher said:
Three mid-season collapses in a row clearly require a serious look at our program. Yes, what happened the past two years might be explained, but not this year. We have the talent and injuries and transfers can't be blamed. What concerns me is the likely cost of replacing Tubby. Jim Souham estimated it to be in the vicinity of $6 million. That's almost half the cost of a critically needed basketball facility. Ideally we hire Shaka Smart, the Minnesota 2014 three commit, and we break ground on a new practice facility. But I doubt that Norwood would be able to come up with the bucks required to accomplish all of that in the short run. Unless we are able to hire someone to replace Tubby who can attract top level talent immediately, my inclination would be to swallow hard, stay the course with Tubby, and save the coach replacement dollars for a practice facility. Until we have such a facility, I doubt we will be able to take out program to the next level.
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I wonder how much revenue will be lost from lagging ticket sales due to fan apathy if Tubby returns next season.
 



You people act like we were supposed to win this game or something?! OSU needed this win far more than we did. It was a road game for us, its an excusable loss. That's my perspective as a fan. Maybe the players went into the game thinking the same way?! As a fan, its excusable to think that way, because how I think has no effect on the actual outcome of the game. But if the players are thinking like that? Well, that wouldn't be good.

But we might as well plan on losing to Indiana as well.


Just let it go, count it as a loss and look forward to the Penn St game and hope that the team doesn't think like its fans do. PRAY that the team doesn't think like the negative nancy fans do. You people have already given up on this team. It's shameful. Some of you cheering for losses and bad things hoping that Tubby will get fired because of it?! Shameful.


We'll be sitting ok after the Indiana game. We need to show up to the PSU game and make some noise, and show the team some major love, hopefully energizing them and helping them to a win over PSU, which could lead to wins over Nebraska and then Purdue and then whoever we play in the first round of the BTT. That would be 4 wins in a row, and it would be enough to get us into the Big Dance where who knows?


Why do you people do this to yourself?! Set yourself up to be disappointed?! It's not accepting mediocrity, its accepting REALITY.
 



Hey brainiac... Excusable my ass. They weren't even competitive. I don't even think you watched the game. OSU played about as poor as you could in the first half and we still went into the dressing room down 7. Multiple shot clock violations, more turnovers than byerly's bakery, and enough bricks flung out there to have half the new practice facility completed.

Excusable isn't getting done by 25+.
 

Thing is, a 1 pt loss and a 25 pt loss are BOTH LOSSES.


If we run into OSU in the BTT, yes, the fact we lost the way we lost this game, will make me wonder if we'll even have a shot to beat them on the neutral court, and losing this badly might hurt our chances of moving back into the Top 25 polls, EVER again this season. But the 25 pt margin of defeat probably won't affect how the NCAA tourney selection committee views us, as long as we take care of business in the four games following the Indiana game.
 

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
Thing is, a 1 pt loss and a 25 pt loss are BOTH LOSSES.

If we run into OSU in the BTT, yes, the fact we lost the way we lost this game, will make me wonder if we'll even have a shot to beat them on the neutral court, and losing this badly might hurt our chances of moving back into the Top 25 polls, EVER again this season. But the 25 pt margin of defeat probably won't affect how the NCAA tourney selection committee views us, as long as we take care of business in the four games following the Indiana game.
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What are you on? I seriously would ask my doctor for a prescription. Are you Pantherhawk who has decided to take a reverse psychology position on Gopher fans,so we are stuck with a *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ty coach another year while Iowa is on the upswing?
 

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
You people act like we were supposed to win this game or something?! OSU needed this win far more than we did. It was a road game for us, its an excusable loss. That's my perspective as a fan. Maybe the players went into the game thinking the same way?! As a fan, its excusable to think that way, because how I think has no effect on the actual outcome of the game. But if the players are thinking like that? Well, that wouldn't be good.

But we might as well plan on losing to Indiana as well.


Just let it go, count it as a loss and look forward to the Penn St game and hope that the team doesn't think like its fans do. PRAY that the team doesn't think like the negative nancy fans do. You people have already given up on this team. It's shameful. Some of you cheering for losses and bad things hoping that Tubby will get fired because of it?! Shameful.


We'll be sitting ok after the Indiana game. We need to show up to the PSU game and make some noise, and show the team some major love, hopefully energizing them and helping them to a win over PSU, which could lead to wins over Nebraska and then Purdue and then whoever we play in the first round of the BTT. That would be 4 wins in a row, and it would be enough to get us into the Big Dance where who knows?


Why do you people do this to yourself?! Set yourself up to be disappointed?! It's not accepting mediocrity, its accepting REALITY.
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Just stop already. Root for the team to win its next game. But spare us this drivel. There's no excuses for the last two games. There's losing and there's quitting. We did the latter.
 

No, as long as fans are going to come into the forum with a "The sky is falling" hey lets not wait til the end of the season, lets decide RIGHT NOW to fire the coach mentality, then I'm going to continue to come in here and try to bring some balance.

My posting any kind of positive spin I can to try to bring some balance to the equation isn't going to change the outcome of future games, so it won't affect whether we "get stuck" with Tubby another year or not. If we win the 4 games after the Indiana game, and who knows, maybe our 2nd or 3rd round BTT games, and then get a decent seed in the NCAA tourney and make the Sweet 16, will I have a right to come in here and say, I TOLD YOU SO?!!!!!


The losses are mounting, Rodney's hurt, the competition hasn't gotten any less talented, they've all scouted us and know our weaknesses, so we're probably going to lose to Indiana, and maybe by 30 pts. We'll look horrendous, probably.

But there is hope. We seem to be the only team in the Big Ten who hasn't gotten to play at least 4 or 5 games vs the Bottom 4 teams yet, but that's going to change as soon as we get this thrashing from the #1 team in the country behind us.


3 games in a row, vs arguably the 3 worst teams in the Big Ten.


I'm simply going to wait until AFTER we lose to one of those teams, before I start worrying. How hard is that to wrap your brain around???
 

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
No, as long as fans are going to come into the forum with a "The sky is falling" hey lets not wait til the end of the season, lets decide RIGHT NOW to fire the coach mentality, then I'm going to continue to come in here and try to bring some balance.

My posting any kind of positive spin I can to try to bring some balance to the equation isn't going to change the outcome of future games, so it won't affect whether we "get stuck" with Tubby another year or not. If we win the 4 games after the Indiana game, and who knows, maybe our 2nd or 3rd round BTT games, and then get a decent seed in the NCAA tourney and make the Sweet 16, will I have a right to come in here and say, I TOLD YOU SO?!!!!!


The losses are mounting, Rodney's hurt, the competition hasn't gotten any less talented, they've all scouted us and know our weaknesses, so we're probably going to lose to Indiana, and maybe by 30 pts. We'll look horrendous, probably.

But there is hope. We seem to be the only team in the Big Ten who hasn't gotten to play at least 4 or 5 games vs the Bottom 4 teams yet, but that's going to change as soon as we get this thrashing from the #1 team in the country behind us.


3 games in a row, vs arguably the 3 worst teams in the Big Ten.


I'm simply going to wait until AFTER we lose to one of those teams, before I start worrying. How hard is that to wrap your brain around???
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You make it sound as though, somehow, by finally facing and (ideally) defeating the very most bottom feeder teams, we will have vindicated ourselves. If you were hoping to finish 9th in the conference, sure, that's fine. I think most of us came into this season thinking something like 7th as an absolute floor. People have a right to be disgusted and while you're correct about the margins of loss being (probably) moot for tournament reasons, the fashion in which we're losing games is beyond alarm and quite transparent. I don't believe that most of us here are pessimists by default. Even an optimist can see this team is in trouble and that is what sucks - there's no possible way to paint a rosy shade over the current state of the team. A few wins against only the worst teams isn't enough.
 

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
No, as long as fans are going to come into the forum with a "The sky is falling" hey lets not wait til the end of the season, lets decide RIGHT NOW to fire the coach mentality, then I'm going to continue to come in here and try to bring some balance.

My posting any kind of positive spin I can to try to bring some balance to the equation isn't going to change the outcome of future games, so it won't affect whether we "get stuck" with Tubby another year or not. If we win the 4 games after the Indiana game, and who knows, maybe our 2nd or 3rd round BTT games, and then get a decent seed in the NCAA tourney and make the Sweet 16, will I have a right to come in here and say, I TOLD YOU SO?!!!!!


The losses are mounting, Rodney's hurt, the competition hasn't gotten any less talented, they've all scouted us and know our weaknesses, so we're probably going to lose to Indiana, and maybe by 30 pts. We'll look horrendous, probably.

But there is hope. We seem to be the only team in the Big Ten who hasn't gotten to play at least 4 or 5 games vs the Bottom 4 teams yet, but that's going to change as soon as we get this thrashing from the #1 team in the country behind us.


3 games in a row, vs arguably the 3 worst teams in the Big Ten.


I'm simply going to wait until AFTER we lose to one of those teams, before I start worrying. How hard is that to wrap your brain around???
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If you're trying to balance the negativity, you need longer posts........


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#1oiwqeutas, I'm never happy with a loss, period. However, these guys quit last night. That is inexcusable. When you have people who pay money to watch you and take time out of their day to watch you on TV (which supports the ad revenue which funds the system which pays for your college), you owe the fans your best effort, and what we got out of them the last two games was quitting. If, for reasons I can't comprehend, you disagree and think that was their best effort, you think very poorly of their abilities. I can stomach a team that really has no talent, but shows up, busts their butts for 40 minutes, and makes decision that put the team above the individual. I'll save my criticism for the coach who put a no talent team on the court. For these guys, if they can't even be bothered to show up and try hard, then getting embarrassed in a televised basketball game is going to be the least of their life problems.
 

Whofelldownthegopherhole --

First of all, not sure how you figure we'd finish in 9th place?!

If we win those 3 games, we'd finish conf play with a 9-9 record.

The Iowa vs Illinois game will probably be important in that if Iowa loses to Illinois, both teams probably finish 9-9. That would mean we'd finish in a 3 way tie for 6th.

If Iowa wins that game, we would probably sit all alone at 7th. Iowa would be 6th at 10-8, we'd be 7th, Illinois would be 8th.

Right?!

That's hardly 9th place.


So I don't know where you are getting this 9th place idea? You suggest that 7th place was a minimum, well, tied for 6th or all alone in 7th is right where winning those 3 games would put us.



As for vindication? No, not vindication necessarily. But winning 3 games in a row going into the BTT would probably do a lot towards the team getting some of its mojo back.


Not so much vindication, but looking back it would seem to be an understandable season.


Our record vs the conf would look like this,


Vs 1st - 0-2 - vs the #1 team in the country
Vs 2nd - 1-1
Vs 3rd - 1-1
Vs 4th - 0-1 - home game vs Top 5 team in country
Vs 5th - 0-1 - ROAD game
Vs 6th - 1-1
Vs 7th - x-x
Vs 8th - 1-1
Vs 9th - 1-0
Vs 10th - 1-1
Vs 11th - 2-0
Vs 12th - 1-0


That's 5-1 vs the bottom 4.

and 2-2 vs the middle 3.

And 2-6 vs the Top 5.


I don't know why its so hard to understand how that is a very typical result.


It's simple. The Top 5 teams from last year, who were all ranked in the Top 16 last year, WERE all better than us, and are STILL all better than us this year. So we lost all of our road games to teams ranked Top 30, and beat all the teams ranked outside of the Top 10 at home, minus the flip-flop exception Illinois. The only exception to this is the Road loss to NW. SO FAR.


Textbook.
 

As bad as we've played, I still believe this season is NOT over. In terms of where we are now, what would make this season successful is the question. NCAA tourny? 2nd round? Sweet 16? Do we honestly have 0 chance of any? With college bball being so unpredictable this year you never know what could happen.That same confidence that allowed us to beat Mich St just has to be reinstilled in the team.
 

the only fan bases more upset about our collapse are Memphis and Stanford. Those "good losses" they had early in the year to the Gophers may end up being "bad losses" come NCAA selection time. Our last 5 minutes against Michigan State must have been a pretty good wake-up call for the Spartans too.
 

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
Thing is, a 1 pt loss and a 25 pt loss are BOTH LOSSES.


If we run into OSU in the BTT, yes, the fact we lost the way we lost this game, will make me wonder if we'll even have a shot to beat them on the neutral court, and losing this badly might hurt our chances of moving back into the Top 25 polls, EVER again this season. But the 25 pt margin of defeat probably won't affect how the NCAA tourney selection committee views us, as long as we take care of business in the four games following the Indiana game.
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Bold type is incorrect.
 

Minnesconsin fan said:
the only fan bases more upset about our collapse are Memphis and Stanford. Those "good losses" they had early in the year to the Gophers may end up being "bad losses" come NCAA selection time. Our last 5 minutes against Michigan State must have been a pretty good wake-up call for the Spartans too.
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If we lose out, our worst possible RPI is around 45. That's not a bad loss.
 

Read the "as long as" part AFTER the bolded part, panolo.


Losing ON THE ROAD to a TOP 25 team, is FAR from a bad loss. And what is happening is things are in a tailspin. Much like they were for Illinois a few weeks back. But they came out of their tailspin and people hardly remember how badly they were thought of right before their big win over Indiana.


If we go on a 4 game winning streak, we could regain confidence, some of our form and mojo, and could win 5, 6 or 7 in a row, before the Selection Committee convenes.

If we only win those 4 in a row, and get BLOWN OUT in the 2nd round of the BTT, THEN they'll be reminded of the 2 blowout losses and they will hurt us, badly.

If we win 5 or more in a row, THAT is what will be in their minds, along with the rest of our STELLAR RESUME. If any of them think of our blowout losses, it will be only an afterthought, and will be seen as us going into a tailspin, but coming out of it, like what happened to Illinois, and coming out possibly the better for it.


They will look at those losses as losses to Top 30 rated teams ON THE ROAD.


And we are hardly the only team to get blown out this season. It's happened to ALOT of teams.
 

Gold Vision --

Agreed, some people just don't get it.

But its possible he may not have meant those losses would become "bad" losses, but wouldn't be considered "quality" losses anymore. If we remain in the Top 25, that would make all the teams we lost to happy, and all the teams that beat us happy.
 

station19 said:
Well there weren't that many sellouts this year. Next year could be scary.
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19, with increased ticket prices etc., I'm wondering if this is the year where we break the revenue record. It looked to me like alot of people had a good time at the Barn this year. I'm guessing they will come back. B1G Basketball is the best game in town.
 


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