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dboy said:
some of you have crushes on hoff.

(here i go again):

hoff is like thome this year in baseball... best if you never need him... but he's there if you do.... to bring you back into a game or to blow out a game.

you DONT give this type of talent 28 minutes in a basketball game... and have him score 2 pts... he should be at least a point-a-minute guy... if not, sit him.

some of you would start Thome at SS. your logic: give him more reps to hit more HRs. wink at the errors, missed DPs, strikeouts, LOBs, etc..

with Hoff on the floor, only God knows of the missed opportunity on both offense and defense (fastbreaks, steals, blocks, assists, mid-range jumpers) guys like chip or hollins won't miss these opportunities.

hoff is a relic from a time when we needed his offense and were willing to wink at his liabilites... if Tubby and his staff do their jobs, the team has matured beyond this.
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dboy, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 

I love the way Blake plays, he is for the most part smart and always plays hard and does the little things and I am fine with him starting right now, he is the Gophers version of Luke Walton for the Lakers (although a better shooter) he improves ball movement and works hard.

However, once Devoe is back. I don't see how you start Blake over him.

It seems half the group here is applauding his strengths and ignoring his weaknesses while the other half ignores his strengths and focuses on the weaknesses. Truth is, he's got both.

He is a great shooter, smart player, quick release, sees the floor well, moves the ball well, rebounds well for his size and position, and stretches the defense.

But at the same time, he is slow, and on a team as athletic as this one it really stands out ... put someone even remotely athletic/quick on him and he is not going to get open. On defense, on a team full of athleticism, he will always be the one the offense chooses to attack. He can not create his own shot, his ball handling in traffic is questionable, he is unable to finish even the easiest lay-ups most times.

He is not a perfect player, no one is, and right now (with Devoe out) he is definitely the best 2-guard that we have on the roster. When Devoe comes back I think you start him and make Blake the 6th man and still give him solid minutes. To say he is worthless is ridiculous, and so is to say he is the best all-around player on the Gophers roster. Every player on the team is not perfect and has things they can work on, Blake is no exception, they all have strengths and things they do well, Blake is no exception. IMO, Blake is near the top of talent on this team and his experience is something no freshman is even close to having.

So at this point, there is no way you aren't starting him. When Devoe comes back, I think it becomes a real debate who you start.
 

"Best if you never need him". If we were at the point where we never needed the best 3 point shooter in the country, we'd probably be national champions.

You're still referencing his 2 point performance? Do you really think that good players never have off-nights offensively? Even if he isn't scoring (let me remind you that he's still the 2nd leading scorer from last year), it's not like he doesn't contribute or hurts us somehow. I don't know why you can't get it through your head that making smart decisions with the basketball and spacing the floor matter. If Hoffarber were out there jacking up miss after miss, then obviously we'd want to bench him.

"he should be at least a point-a-minute guy". Wow. Think that one through a minute. If he were a point-a-minute guy he would be the national POY. Who the hell is a point a minute guy at any level? I don't know how you even come up with something that absurd.

"with Hoff on the floor, only God knows of the missed opportunity on both offense and defense (fastbreaks, steals, blocks, assists, mid-range jumpers) guys like chip or hollins won't miss these opportunities."

I know that since he's unathletic you think he's a terrible defender, but I hate to break the news to you, athleticism isn't all that matters when it comes to defending. Do Chip and Hollins have the potential to be better defenders? Absolutely. But to think we're better off playing either of them more minutes than Hoffarber right now is absurd. They've shown glimpses but they're still freshmen. I haven't paid close attention to the defense of Hollins or Chip but I've seen enough to tell you they haven't proven themselves to be better defenders than Hoffarber yet. Your comment that Hollins and Chip won't miss the list of plays... you've seen them prove themselves against BT caliber opponents?




dboy said:
some of you have crushes on hoff.

(here i go again):

hoff is like thome this year in baseball... best if you never need him... but he's there if you do.... to bring you back into a game or to blow out a game.

you DONT give this type of talent 28 minutes in a basketball game... and have him score 2 pts... he should be at least a point-a-minute guy... if not, sit him.

some of you would start Thome at SS. your logic: give him more reps to hit more HRs. wink at the errors, missed DPs, strikeouts, LOBs, etc..

with Hoff on the floor, only God knows of the missed opportunity on both offense and defense (fastbreaks, steals, blocks, assists, mid-range jumpers) guys like chip or hollins won't miss these opportunities.

hoff is a relic from a time when we needed his offense and were willing to wink at his liabilites... if Tubby and his staff do their jobs, the team has matured beyond this.
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Why not start Blake with Devoe?

scher215 said:
I love the way Blake plays, he is for the most part smart and always plays hard and does the little things and I am fine with him starting right now, he is the Gophers version of Luke Walton for the Lakers (although a better shooter) he improves ball movement and works hard.

However, once Devoe is back. I don't see how you start Blake over him.

It seems half the group here is applauding his strengths and ignoring his weaknesses while the other half ignores his strengths and focuses on the weaknesses. Truth is, he's got both.

He is a great shooter, smart player, quick release, sees the floor well, moves the ball well, rebounds well for his size and position, and stretches the defense.

But at the same time, he is slow, and on a team as athletic as this one it really stands out ... put someone even remotely athletic/quick on him and he is not going to get open. On defense, on a team full of athleticism, he will always be the one the offense chooses to attack. He can not create his own shot, his ball handling in traffic is questionable, he is unable to finish even the easiest lay-ups most times.

He is not a perfect player, no one is, and right now (with Devoe out) he is definitely the best 2-guard that we have on the roster. When Devoe comes back I think you start him and make Blake the 6th man and still give him solid minutes. To say he is worthless is ridiculous, and so is to say he is the best all-around player on the Gophers roster. Every player on the team is not perfect and has things they can work on, Blake is no exception, they all have strengths and things they do well, Blake is no exception. IMO, Blake is near the top of talent on this team and his experience is something no freshman is even close to having.

So at this point, there is no way you aren't starting him. When Devoe comes back, I think it becomes a real debate who you start.
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dboy said:
hoff is a relic from a time when we needed his offense and were willing to wink at his liabilites... if Tubby and his staff do their jobs, the team has matured beyond this.
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Jesus man. You do know college hoops is based around the 3 pt. shot don't you? Obviously you don't.

He is one of the best shooters in the country, if not the best. He is one of our best passers, if not the best. He is one of our most consistant rebounders...oh forget it.

Matured beyond the outside shot is classic.

Insane in the membrane.
 


underground629 said:
Why not start Blake with Devoe?
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I think you need Rodney at the 3. I don't think Blake is athletic enough to defend with most college SF's (however guys like Mike Miller and Luke Walton do it, so I very well could be wrong) but I do have to admit it would be a nice starting lineup to have two huge 3-point threats in Hoff and Devoe and then Al there to drive.

This team is tough to figure an agreeable starting line up for because we really do have 7 players that deserve 5 starting spots. You can make a good, convincing case for any of those 7 to start and, again, that's not a bad thing at all. This team is talented, plain and simple.
 

underground629 said:
"Best if you never need him". If we were at the point where we never needed the best 3 point shooter in the country, we'd probably be national champions.

You're still referencing his 2 point performance? Do you really think that good players never have off-nights offensively? Even if he isn't scoring (let me remind you that he's still the 2nd leading scorer from last year), it's not like he doesn't contribute or hurts us somehow. I don't know why you can't get it through your head that making smart decisions with the basketball and spacing the floor matter. If Hoffarber were out there jacking up miss after miss, then obviously we'd want to bench him.
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Well, if Hoff were good, for example like John Wall, he'd never score under 10 points, right???? :rolleyes:

underground629 said:
"he should be at least a point-a-minute guy". Wow. Think that one through a minute. If he were a point-a-minute guy he would be the national POY. Who the hell is a point a minute guy at any level? I don't know how you even come up with something that absurd.
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Didn't Kyle Singler average a point a minute last year? I mean, just look at the numbers ... 35.9 Minutes per game, and 17.7 points per game. Doesn't 35.9 = 17.7?
 

wow.
let me lower my iq forty points and try again:

blake a point a minute guy: for 5 - 10 minutes per game. just like thome is only a DH or a pinch hitter.. NEITHER SHOULD START or play a full game. they are 'special situation' players. the longer they are in there, the more diminished your returns are (for the Carlson guys).

hoff is the best 3-baller in the land... no doubt. but THAT IS ALL HE IS.. you are all reaching when you talk about 'spacing', 'good low post feeder', 'smart' 'excellent rebounder for his size'... ( for a guy 6'3", he's actually a poor rebounder for his size.. see: Richard Coffey).

he's out there to feed the post?
he's out there to rebound? 'space' the floor'....
omg.

when i see him running in circles to try and get open, how is that part of the 'flow'? seems like a sideshow.

he's a senior.. 2 points and 1 rebound from your STARTING SG will not cut it this year.
 

dboy said:
wow.
let me lower my iq forty points and try again:

blake a point a minute guy: for 5 - 10 minutes per game. just like thome is only a DH or a pinch hitter.. NEITHER SHOULD START. they are 'special situation' players. the longer they are in there, the more diminished your returns are (for the Carlson guys).

hoff is the best 3-baller in the land... no doubt. but THAT IS ALL HE IS.. you are all reaching when you talk about 'spacing', 'good low post feeder', 'smart' 'excellent rebounder for his size'... ( for a guy 6'3", he's actually a poor rebounder for his size.. see: Richard Coffey).

he's out there to feed the post?
he's out there to rebound? 'space' the floor'....
omg.

when i see him running in circles to try and get open, how is that part of the 'flow'? seems like a sideshow.

he's a senior.. 2 points and 1 rebound from your STARTING SG will not cut it this year.
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I wonder if that's how UNC fans felt when Vince Carter only scored 1 point in a game?
 



tikited said:
Jesus man. You do know college hoops is based around the 3 pt. shot don't you? Obviously you don't.

He is one of the best shooters in the country, if not the best. He is one of our best passers, if not the best. He is one of our most consistant rebounders... <<<omg dude. 1 board in 28 minutes.. i dont have the play-by-play but it was either a missed FT or a weakside bunny. oh forget it.

Matured beyond the outside shot is classic. <<<< i never said this.. we need the 3-ball.. just not from him.

Insane in the membrane.
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dboy said:
wow.
let me lower my iq forty points and try again:

blake a point a minute guy: for 5 - 10 minutes per game. just like thome is only a DH or a pinch hitter.. NEITHER SHOULD START or play a full game. they are 'special situation' players. the longer they are in there, the more diminished your returns are (for the Carlson guys).

hoff is the best 3-baller in the land... no doubt. but THAT IS ALL HE IS.. you are all reaching when you talk about 'spacing', 'good low post feeder', 'smart' 'excellent rebounder for his size'... ( for a guy 6'3", he's actually a poor rebounder for his size.. see: Richard Coffey).

he's out there to feed the post?
he's out there to rebound? 'space' the floor'....
omg.

when i see him running in circles to try and get open, how is that part of the 'flow'? seems like a sideshow.

he's a senior.. 2 points and 1 rebound from your STARTING SG will not cut it this year.
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Richard Coffey was 6'6 first off. Richard Coffey was also a very good rebounder.

One game where he wasn't needed to score and you base your whole belief system off of it. You are too much dboy-keep posting whatever you do.
 

glovedgopher said:
dboy, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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<<<< this is why we will never win big10.. fanbase like this.
 

tikited said:
Richard Coffey was 6'6 first off. Richard Coffey was also a very good rebounder.

One game where he wasn't needed to score and you base your whole belief system off of it. You are too much dboy-keep posting whatever you do.
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but hoff is 'an excellent rebounder'... so hoff > Coffey.
 



dboy said:
but hoff is 'an excellent rebounder'... so hoff > Coffey.
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dboy said:
[I]His positioning for rebounds is great,[/I] <<< he sneaks in from the weak side for a few bunnies... or he runs down missed FT's in the corner... none of these rebounds are in traffic. he had 1 rebound on Friday in 28 minutes. STOP.

happy to occupy defenders <<<< what a great offense, just 'occupy defenders'... now we need all 5 starters to do the same! NOT.
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We should all email Tubby & let him know he's playing the wrong guy! Can you imagine a coach with a National Championship on his resume being so stupid as to play Blake 28 minutes a game? Tubby clearly doesn't have the vision or basketball IQ of a "dboy".
 

I've read the whole thread now & it just got more bizarre as I read. dboy, you've only got like 250 posts, just open a new GH account & pretend you never said this crap.
 

Fair enough. A lineup of Al, Devoe, and Blake would be pretty small, but thankfully we don't play against that many tall, athletic sf's (that I can think of, although I may be wrong, haha). You're right though, it's a nice luxury to have 7 players capable of starting.

scher215 said:
I think you need Rodney at the 3. I don't think Blake is athletic enough to defend with most college SF's (however guys like Mike Miller and Luke Walton do it, so I very well could be wrong) but I do have to admit it would be a nice starting lineup to have two huge 3-point threats in Hoff and Devoe and then Al there to drive.

This team is tough to figure an agreeable starting line up for because we really do have 7 players that deserve 5 starting spots. You can make a good, convincing case for any of those 7 to start and, again, that's not a bad thing at all. This team is talented, plain and simple.
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Haha, I read the post a few times to make sure I was interpreting correctly. Nice recovery dboy...

scher215 said:
Well, if Hoff were good, for example like John Wall, he'd never score under 10 points, right???? :rolleyes:



Didn't Kyle Singler average a point a minute last year? I mean, just look at the numbers ... 35.9 Minutes per game, and 17.7 points per game. Doesn't 35.9 = 17.7?
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WOW. You're still referencing a single game. How about tonight? Dig deeper buddy.

dboy said:
wow.
let me lower my iq forty points and try again:

blake a point a minute guy: for 5 - 10 minutes per game. just like thome is only a DH or a pinch hitter.. NEITHER SHOULD START or play a full game. they are 'special situation' players. the longer they are in there, the more diminished your returns are (for the Carlson guys).

hoff is the best 3-baller in the land... no doubt. but THAT IS ALL HE IS.. you are all reaching when you talk about 'spacing', 'good low post feeder', 'smart' 'excellent rebounder for his size'... ( for a guy 6'3", he's actually a poor rebounder for his size.. see: Richard Coffey).

he's out there to feed the post?
he's out there to rebound? 'space' the floor'....
omg.

when i see him running in circles to try and get open, how is that part of the 'flow'? seems like a sideshow.

he's a senior.. 2 points and 1 rebound from your STARTING SG will not cut it this year.
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dboy said:
<<<< this is why we will never win big10.. fanbase like this.
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Get over it dude. Your take is silly and you know it. Why do people act like they know more than the head coach who happens to be Tubby Smith? Blake played such a big role in tonite's game even though he didn't shoot lights out. Tubby trusts Blake more than any other player on this team. Al gets his first foul and Tubby sits him knowing he can count on Blake to run the point. He is our best 3pt and free throw shooter by far and can pass the rock.
 

Blake's line tonight 16pts, 6reb, 7ast, and 2 steals in 36minutes.
 

Yo dbag, did Blake just drop 17 & dish out 7 assists? Just a thought, but maybe a good coach & smart players "Take what the defense gives them"?

i.e. If Blake is open, he has the green light & can score 17. If Blake is being strongly defended, then he finds other ways to contribute or get the ball to his team mates, because it's a TEAM sport.
 

Yo dbag, did Blake just drop 17 & dish out 7 assists? Just a thought, but maybe a good coach & smart players "Take what the defense gives them"?

i.e. If Blake is open, he has the green light & can score 17. If Blake is being strongly defended, then he finds other ways to contribute or get the ball to his team mates, because it's a TEAM sport.
 


Is it necessary to have that huge picture of spicoli as your sig? It's pretty annoying to see that picture 3 or 4 times when trying to read through a thread.
 

hoff leads in assists and 2nd in rebounds... going to be a long season.
 

MadtownGopher said:
Is it necessary to have that huge picture of spicoli as your sig? It's pretty annoying to see that picture 3 or 4 times when trying to read through a thread.
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You could change your user options so poster's sig don't show up. Can't say I'm a fan of the Spicoli sig at all.
 

dboy said:
hoff leads in assists and 2nd in rebounds... going to be a long season.
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<<<< this is why we will never win big10.. fanbase like this. Most important stat: we won the game.
 

dboy said:
hoff leads in assists and 2nd in rebounds... going to be a long season.
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Leading scorer, leads in assists, 2nd in rebounds...yet you lament the fact, both that his impressive stat line increases your level of hate for him and the fact that we WON the game?

Honestly people, I think the more we respond to dboy the dumber we all get.
 

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