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thailleagle said:
Pryor had the same thing Boekman had so I don't see that as a valid point........

My whole point is not whether Gray this or Gray that...I just want to *SEE* it, let him play, he either is gonna be good or isn't at this point but just freaking give him a series, is that really that much to ask?
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Kinda like his first play in D1 football, we were all waiting to *SEE* him all offseason, all year, his first play, nice speed to the corner and .... ..... Fumble! Oh man!
He needs time people. Hope for a blowout against SDSU.
 

Ole said:
Kinda like his first play in D1 football, we were all waiting to *SEE* him all offseason, all year, his first play, nice speed to the corner and .... ..... Fumble! Oh man!
He needs time people. Hope for a blowout against SDSU.
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Yet we're still seeing him run that same play right?
 

thailleagle said:
Pryor had the same thing Boekman had so I don't see that as a valid point........

My whole point is not whether Gray this or Gray that...I just want to *SEE* it, let him play, he either is gonna be good or isn't at this point but just freaking give him a series, is that really that much to ask?
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It is a valid point because you are comparing Pryor to Gray not Pryor to the other QB on Ohio St.

Again how to you know that Gray can even run the offense? And you have seem him play. He fumbled on his first carry of his college career, had some nice runs against Northwestern and may just throw an interception on the first pass of his career. If Gray was ready for more playing time he would and will get it. As of right now by the way he is being used I think it is safe to assume he isn't ready for that as of yet.
 

thailleagle said:
Pryor had the same thing Boekman had so I don't see that as a valid point........
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All this means is that Pryor > Boekman. When you compare Gray to Pryor those other factors (OL, RB, etc) are exactly the point and very relevant. What you are saying here defies any sense of logic.
 

Pryor and Boekman had the same weapons to use. Pryor was better.
Gray and Weber have the same weapons to use, and it's up for debate who is better.
While the SITUATIONS are similar, it's not about a comparison between the ability of Gray and Pryor, but whether Gray should get a shot as OUR quarterback.
I think he should.
All this talk that he "might throw an interception on his first pass" is ridiculous. Does this mean he'll never get to throw a pass?
I just think the offense needs a jumpstart, and a QB with a little mobility will make the system less predictable. Decker may not get as many looks, but we might be able to put more points on the board.
It's also amazing what a little lift from the offense will do for the morale of our defense.
With Weber we go 7-5 at best. With Gray we go 7-5 at best.
Give him a chance.
 


CP Gopher said:
Pryor and Boekman had the same weapons to use. Pryor was better.
Gray and Weber have the same weapons to use, and it's up for debate who is better.
While the SITUATIONS are similar, it's not about a comparison between the ability of Gray and Pryor, but whether Gray should get a shot as OUR quarterback.
I think he should.
All this talk that he "might throw an interception on his first pass" is ridiculous. Does this mean he'll never get to throw a pass?
I just think the offense needs a jumpstart, and a QB with a little mobility will make the system less predictable. Decker may not get as many looks, but we might be able to put more points on the board.
It's also amazing what a little lift from the offense will do for the morale of our defense.
With Weber we go 7-5 at best. With Gray we go 7-5 at best.
Give him a chance.
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Which is all I think we're asking.......
 

the margin for error was greater for pryor last year, because he had talent all around him to offset his errors--obviously we have little to no margin in that area!

that said-we still need to play gray more and give the offense some added punch and variability--the run threat from him is huge and will give defense fits as was mentioned--to hell with any political considerations mentioned earlier-brew must know that he needs to win now baby, and if he does that, these types of issues are null and void.

weber still starts, but gray plays more, each and every series. what a waste he is on the sideline. he will make mistakes, of course, but how is that any different from the status quo with weber?
 

Again, the comparison is not between the ability of Gray and Pryor. Their CIRCUMSTANCES regarding playing time are similar, nothing else.
Our offense, when Decker isn't involved, has been dismal for most of the season.
Why not use a nationally-coveted player with extraordianary potential when the best outcome is likely to be another mid-tier bowl?
I agree with the previous post. It's a complete waste to have him standing on the sideline.
 

Ole said:
STUPID:rolleyes:

The coaches would have had him playing by now if he was ready.
Downsides include:
INT's, injuries(our Oline is not just going to block better overnight), bad habit forming(happy feet... see Weber after running for his life for three years, and overall less chance to gain chemistry and ultimately win. Are you ok with a 4-8, 5-7 season with Gray? or a 6, 7 , 8 win season with Weber?
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OK, here's what I don't get. Why are some people so unwilling to let Gray show what he can do while being more than willing to let Weber re-prove (will get his 31 start this week) what he can't do? You say the coaches know better. Well, Brewster said that he had a PhD in football when he got here. My observation is that he's ABD at best and needs some additional coursework.
 



dpodoll68 said:
Oh, you mean the Weber that threw 24 TDs? Heavens no. God forbid, we'd never want to see that Weber again.:rolleyes:

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1. He did that on a bad team that were getting blown out a lot. It's easier to put up good numbers in blow out situations because the defense sits in more of a prevent with subs in.

2. He also threw 19 interceptions and completed 58% of his passes.
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thailleagle said:
Pryor came in and made an immediate impact while a Senior QB was struggling...so pretty much we're agreeing that Gray isn't as good as Pryor?
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Yep, this Gophers offense is just as talented as Ohio State's last year. We have a good offensive line just like they did and there's no doubt Eskridge will be as good as Beanie Wells. :rolleyes: Two completely different situations.

Do I think Gray should play a little more? Yes, but I don't think he should be the starter right now.
 

GophersInIowa said:
1. He did that on a bad team that were getting blown out a lot. It's easier to put up good numbers in blow out situations because the defense sits in more of a prevent with subs in.

2. He also threw 19 interceptions and completed 58% of his passes.
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1. NOPE. That is a (seemingly) common misconception about the 2007 season. No doubt we were a terrible team, but we didn't get blown out all that often. Six of our losses were by a TD or less, and three were by a FG or less. Look it up if you don't believe me.

2. INTs are bad if that's all you do. I can handle a lot of interceptions if the guy throws more TDs than picks (in this case, five more). Not to mention the fact that, as I've already said, Weber accounted for almost 1,000 more yards of offense and 15 more TDs than he's on pace for this season.

Also, your completion % stats are wrong. He completed 57.5% of his passes that year, and is completing 57.2% this year. I fail to see your point in bringing that up. It is simply another example of how he's regressed.

I'm all in favor of using statistics, but generally your statistics should favor your own stance, not prove the other guy's point for him.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Yep, this Gophers offense is just as talented as Ohio State's last year. We have a good offensive line just like they did and there's no doubt Eskridge will be as good as Beanie Wells. :rolleyes: Two completely different situations.

Do I think Gray should play a little more? Yes, but I don't think he should be the starter right now.
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Just let the kid play...is it really that complicated? Everybody keeps talking about how Weber leads these "Comebacks" in games where WE'RE THE ONES BLOWING LEADS.......

Last year? We blew a 24-13 lead against Northern Illinois, this year we blew a 13-3 lead against Syracuse and a 21-10 lead against Northwestern, games we should've never trailed in the first place.......
 



I think using Gray will HELP Weber out. Maybe take some of the pressure off of his shoulders. I really think on some of his throws he has put so much pressure on himself to make a play and he tries to do too much (the INT at the end of Cal).

I also think using Gray more will in some ways keep the defenses guessing. I'd like to see Gray come in and run a few plays, then bring Weber in with some no huddle.
 

Refresh my memory on one thing. Everyone can agree that Gray was a highly recruited QB coming out of HS. Not nearly as much as Pryor, but then again, we're not tOSU, SCum, or PSU either. Weber was one of Mason's recruits, but were any other BT schools after him? If so, we're they recruiting him as a QB or as an "athlete"? While Gray has not had the opportunity to show he has the potential of Pryor, Weber after 30+ starts has yet to demonstrate he has the ability of Boeckman. Who was a good pocket passer, but the wrong guy for the other talent tOSU had.
 

Too Long in the Wasteland said:
Weber was one of Mason's recruits, but were any other BT schools after him? If so, we're they recruiting him as a QB or as an "athlete"?
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Weber was a "dual threat QB" with offers from Minnesota, Wisconsin, W Michigan, Miami (OH).

Since his injury, Weber no longer has the running ability, IMHO.
 

dpodoll68 said:
1. NOPE. That is a (seemingly) common misconception about the 2007 season. No doubt we were a terrible team, but we didn't get blown out all that often. Six of our losses were by a TD or less, and three were by a FG or less. Look it up if you don't believe me.

2. INTs are bad if that's all you do. I can handle a lot of interceptions if the guy throws more TDs than picks (in this case, five more). Not to mention the fact that, as I've already said, Weber accounted for almost 1,000 more yards of offense and 15 more TDs than he's on pace for this season.

Also, your completion % stats are wrong. He completed 57.5% of his passes that year, and is completing 57.2% this year. I fail to see your point in bringing that up. It is simply another example of how he's regressed.

I'm all in favor of using statistics, but generally your statistics should favor your own stance, not prove the other guy's point for him.
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To add to your conversation, Weber ranks 11th in the Big Ten (out of 12 QB's with playing time) in QB rating and completion percentage, and he's tied for second most interceptions thrown. The numbers say one thing, but to compete in the Big Ten, they need to essentially be better than the competitions.

EDIT: and Decker leads the Big Ten in receptions, receiving TD's, and waaay ahead in total yards. So take him out, and Weber looks ungodly by comparison. He may be good -- but the rest of the Big Ten has someone way more effective. Time for Gray.
 

magpie said:
To add to your conversation, Weber ranks 11th in the Big Ten (out of 12 QB's with playing time) in QB rating and completion percentage, and he's tied for second most interceptions thrown. The numbers say one thing, but to compete in the Big Ten, they need to essentially be better than the competitions.

EDIT: and Decker leads the Big Ten in receptions, receiving TD's, and waaay ahead in total yards. So take him out, and Weber looks ungodly by comparison. He may be good -- but the rest of the Big Ten has someone way more effective. Time for Gray.
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The Weberians don't like Statistics.......
 

dpodoll68 said:
1. NOPE. That is a (seemingly) common misconception about the 2007 season. No doubt we were a terrible team, but we didn't get blown out all that often. Six of our losses were by a TD or less, and three were by a FG or less. Look it up if you don't believe me.

2. INTs are bad if that's all you do. I can handle a lot of interceptions if the guy throws more TDs than picks (in this case, five more). Not to mention the fact that, as I've already said, Weber accounted for almost 1,000 more yards of offense and 15 more TDs than he's on pace for this season.

Also, your completion % stats are wrong. He completed 57.5% of his passes that year, and is completing 57.2% this year. I fail to see your point in bringing that up. It is simply another example of how he's regressed.

I'm all in favor of using statistics, but generally your statistics should favor your own stance, not prove the other guy's point for him.
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Yeah, I just reread your post, and I obviously didn't read it close enough. My bad
 

2 qb systems WORK. Florida with Tebow/Leak anyone?

'There is absolutely no reason why Gray cannot play more than he has been over the course of the season. I thought the Northwestern game was a sign of things to come, that his role would steadily increase, and that by the end of the season, he would be taking 25-30% of the snaps, and (gasp!) throwing the ball once in a while! The few times he has seen the field he has been absolutely electric, and many of us would like to see more of that.'
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There is no reason why Gray can't take the field to run and execute simple pass plays in high percentage situations. There is also no reason why Gray can't run a series or two in the first half of games. Webber is a seasoned vet and shouldn't be thrown off by this. If anything it should inspire him to play better. Gray is too good to deny him game experience. The Gophers are not good enough to keep arguably their most dynamic talent on the bench.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BENCH WEBBER TO PLAY GRAY
 

Once again, I ask this board: raise your hand if you've seen Gray throw a pass. Keep in mind that he didn't play football for a year. I think every fan base gets really wrapped up in recruiting rankings and just assumes that those players will become instant stars at the next level. Remember that Jake Christensen was a 4 star recruit and was the #2 dual-threat QB prospect in the country. How did that work out?

There is no question that Weber is not very good. But Gray clearly must not be ready and it's not that hard to believe.
 


Let's not forget our inept defense that gave up 31pts to Wisconsin. Everyone wants to rip the offense and although they have their problems the defense is the bigger problem.
 

I saw the spring game. Gray threw an effortless 70 yd bomb and hit a receiver in stride. He made great plays in the short to mid range passing game as well. He IS the real deal. (Although to be fair, he seemed to regress in the fall scrimmage).
 

thailleagle said:
Just let the kid play...is it really that complicated? Everybody keeps talking about how Weber leads these "Comebacks" in games where WE'RE THE ONES BLOWING LEADS.......

Last year? We blew a 24-13 lead against Northern Illinois, this year we blew a 13-3 lead against Syracuse and a 21-10 lead against Northwestern, games we should've never trailed in the first place.......
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Your right and holding a lead to an inferior opponent has nothing to do with the inability to run the ball..,.
 

chri1673 said:
Your right and holding a lead to an inferior opponent has nothing to do with the inability to run the ball..,.
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How building the lead bigger instead of going into conservative mode?
 

I didn't realize Weber ranks 11th out of 12 BT qb's with substantial PT. That's troubling when Deck is factored in as the #1 receiver in the conference...absolutely sobering looking ahead to next year because Weber's main task on the field is simply getting the ball in the hands of our best/speed playmakers with some reasonable consistency.

At some point in the not too distant future, I expect Brew to have some coaching answers because he certainly doesn't seem to be doing much gameday on-the-field prep work right now with Gray to address that problem as many have pointed out.

Maybe ardent Brew GHers can tell give us some insight about what he's planning as the season rolls on and especially for next year in the qb area re Weber and Gray.
 

monk10 said:
Just b/c a lot of people say this. It doesn't mean it is true.
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You really have to be clubbed over the head to believe a point, don't you?

I can show you tons of statistics to prove this point, whether they be:

- counting stats (yards, TDs, completion %, passer rating)

- W/L

- comparison to other QBs in D-IA in general, and the Big Ten in particular

All will show you that Weber is a very mediocre QB at best, and a terrible one at worst. I defy you to show me any statistics, or personal observations, or whatever matrix you desire to use, that says otherwise.

He will end up with a lot of Minnesota career records by virtue of the fact that he will (likely) be a four-year starter. This is largely due to the realization that what has traditionally been a running school has now become a passing school - both because of scheme and because we haven't had even one decent RB his entire career. But even these records will not make him a good QB.
 

I love the guys who say Gray isn't ready. They base this on faith in Brewster's football intelligence. That hasn't been proven yet. he has made many, many mistakes in game management and talent analysis (Harold Howell as a case in point). He keeps telling us how great Gray is so why not play him?
 

I think Gray is bound to bust a long run at some point, hopefully this week. When he takes one to the house from 80 yards out, zigzagging through the boiler D, it'll be hard to keep out of any other games this year. But I think we still need Weber, and we need his leadership, which includes Adam supporting us going to some kind of Weber70/Gray30 system. Gotta let Gray starts throwing some high percentage passes though, he is the future right?
 

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