Stumbled across this, Fleck joined Grimm on a podcast this week. Some good stuff in there on a lot of topics, nothing mind-blowing, but a lot interesting. Most interesting (to me) was PJ saying he is more mellow in the new era of NIL because he is learning to worry less about what he can't control. He said "control is for amateurs," which seems to me a concession I never thought I'd hear him make.
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