Pitino's Style versus current Big Ten Teams

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Recent Pitino Quote:

"We will play fast," he said. "We will get up and down the court and we will press. We will shoot a lot of 3's and play quick. We are going to get a lot of athletes. This is the style that I have used all of my life and it is what I like to do."

I would like to hear some comments on which Big Ten teams people think this system will be effective against and which teams we will cause us the most problems.
 

Golden Yooper said:
Recent Pitino Quote:

"We will play fast," he said. "We will get up and down the court and we will press. We will shoot a lot of 3's and play quick. We are going to get a lot of athletes. This is the style that I have used all of my life and it is what I like to do."

I would like to hear some comments on which Big Ten teams people think this system will be effective against and which teams we will cause us the most problems.
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It'll work well when we have better players than the other team. Won't work so well when we don't. I'm not being flippant, that's kind of the way it is. The UNLV teams of the early 90's, the Kentucky team of the late 90's ... they weren't slowed down by anybody trying to play a more disciplined style, they'd steamroll them. I remember some pretty good, but methodical Utah teams that would try to slow the pace against Kentucky and they just looked lost.
 

To win big Coach P. will need handpicked players that fit his system. Next year we will be too small and lack firepower. I have no doubt he can make it happen over time, but it will take time. Obviously I don't blame him because he has been here less than 45 days, but coming in second on Allerick Freeman hurt our chances to do anything quickly. In the future we will need 3 or 4 players like Freeman to take a shoot at the B1G.

I've been trying to figure out how we are going to do next year, and at this point I can't see us winning 20 games. No idea how we will match up in the B1G. I have made a mental note to avoid the board after each loss for at least 24 hours.
 




I am as concerned about quality depth as I am about athletes. We will need both. Basketball teams are built much faster than football teams. I think we win 20 this year, but not a lock. We should streak through NC play and I hope for a little improvement in B1G play. In a couple years we can be a contender. Pitino will be better than I hoped.
 

Golden Yooper said:
Recent Pitino Quote:

"We will play fast," he said. "We will get up and down the court and we will press. We will shoot a lot of 3's and play quick. We are going to get a lot of athletes. This is the style that I have used all of my life and it is what I like to do."

I would like to hear some comments on which Big Ten teams people think this system will be effective against and which teams we will cause us the most problems.
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From what I've been able to discern, FIU had that little guard who pressured the ball handler pretty hard. He led the team with 75 steals, while averaging 23 minutes per game. By comparison, Austin led the Gophers with 59, 24 of those in in B1G play. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works in conference play. 546 3-point attempts by the Gophers last year versus 672 by FIU. Pitino really did make chicken salad out of chicken $hit with the FIU squad last season. One huge statistic that stands out, his team never lost more than two in a row.
 


I thoroughly enjoyed the juxtaposition of post #5 and #6.
 



MN in AZ-While I think you are right, is there some purpose for putting your TJ theory is super bold type to be read over and over again? it may be true, but it is not especially inspiring.
 

You can win with any system in any league. It comes down to talent, execution, and a mastery of the rules. If you have superior players and you execute your system well you will be very successful. If you can master the rules and exploit them to advantage your system (think Wisconsin and how they mug cutters in the lane and hold the ball) you'll be even better.
 

agreed

Gopherguy0723 said:
You can win with any system in any league. It comes down to talent, execution, and a mastery of the rules. If you have superior players and you execute your system well you will be very successful. If you can master the rules and exploit them to advantage your system (think Wisconsin and how they mug cutters in the lane and hold the ball) you'll be even better.
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I think there will be some a couple embarrassing losses next year and a few suprise wins with the new system and the frontcourt losses. This team is deficient at the 4, lacks depth especially in the frontcourt. I am keeping expectations low and hoping to be suprised. Louisville has top 20 recruiting classes, the players improved, knew their roles, and execute well. If that is the model hear it will take 3-4 years of steady improvement and fan patience to be a regular ncaa team who gets a few wins there.
 

With our current frontcourt, there are going to be some long, long nights in the Big Ten. We'll need to shoot the lights out to hang around .500 in the conference because we're likely to get killed on the boards. Unless, that is, our guards/wings help out by vigorously hitting the boards ala Bobby Jackson (6.1 rpg), Sam Jacobson (4.5 rpg), and Eric Harris (2.3 rpg) in 1996-97.
 



SelectionSunday said:
With our current frontcourt, there are going to be some long, long nights in the Big Ten. We'll need to shoot the lights out to hang around .500 in the conference because we're likely to get killed on the boards. Unless, that is, our guards/wings help out by vigorously hitting the boards ala Bobby Jackson (6.1 rpg), Sam Jacobson (4.5 rpg), and Eric Harris (2.3 rpg) in 1996-97.
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I feel that the key is finding an active, athletic forward. Maybe that'll be Buckles. I have hope that Elliott and Mo will develop some in the off season and be strong enough to take up some space in the middle. I'm not sure you need a rebounding beast like Mbakwe or Stamper necessarily, but you do need a rebounding threat at the position who can at least block out a body. Then you have a shot at rebounding by committee as long as everyone is capable of grabbing a board from time to time.
 

"Pitino's Style versus current Big Ten Teams"

We are gonna find out. And to be frank, I am looking forward to 4700 square feet of unleashed fury.

GO GOPHERS.
 

The 'system' will work just fine if you get the players and coach them well.

I think L'ville and Fla would be able to compete in the Big Ten.
 

I've seen a quite a few teams live and die by the 3 point shot so I have my reservations about his style of play. I guess I'm more worried about our defense when playing teams that like to slow it down and pound the paint. If we don't have beef down low it may be difficult to stop some teams and we will need to be on a good shooting night to win the game. Coach P may not totally rely on the 3 though. He may have some variation to his style of play that still enables us to defend the interior and get points in the paint ourselves so we don't become one dimensional. I am looking forward to finding out if his style will work and am exited to have him as our coach though.
 

I worry less about the style vs Big Ten teams, and instead look at how it projects to the tournament. Michigan struggled at times in the B1G, but look what happened once they got to the tournament.
 

eliason will lead the big ten in blocks this year i feel like, as for rebounding i think he will average about 5 a game, 5 PPG, 5RPG and 2 BPG, and buckles will average about 5 boards i think, maybe 7-8 PPG adn 5 boards for him, that isnt too bad
 

die hard gopher said:
eliason will lead the big ten in blocks this year i feel like, as for rebounding i think he will average about 5 a game, 5 PPG, 5RPG and 2 BPG, and buckles will average about 5 boards i think, maybe 7-8 PPG adn 5 boards for him, that isnt too bad
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so in your eyes you are hoping, and by your admission think it wouldn't be too bad if, our starting C and starting PF average a grand total of 10 boards a game.....

We are going to have to score ALOT of points.
 

Winasota Gopher said:
so in your eyes you are hoping, and by your admission think it wouldn't be too bad if, our starting C and starting PF average a grand total of 10 boards a game.....

We are going to have to score ALOT of points.
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Our frontcourt starters last year averaged only 3.7 more boards a game than his prediction. So no it wouldn't be too bad. Our identity is going to have to be totally different than last year. We were an offensive rebounding team last year. We can make up for some of those extra possesions this year with our uptempo style and forcing more turnovers, therefore getting extra possesions.
 

I hear ya corcoran1. I'll tame it abit. I was sooooo tired of the, "Tyus is the best thing since Jesus Christ - maybe better" posts that I felt like stomping on the theme. It seems to have lessened and I never read the all things TJ thread. Thanks for calling me on it.

corcoran1 said:
MN in AZ-While I think you are right, is there some purpose for putting your TJ theory is super bold type to be read over and over again? it may be true, but it is not especially inspiring.
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Winasota Gopher said:
so in your eyes you are hoping, and by your admission think it wouldn't be too bad if, our starting C and starting PF average a grand total of 10 boards a game.....

We are going to have to score ALOT of points.
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well they arent going to be the stars of the team, if we have dre, austin and malik smith all averaging at least double digits, smith about 10-11, austin 12-14 and andre 15-18 then i would be okay with buckles being a 7 and 5 guy and eliason a 5, 5 and 2 guy
 

The stats will probably be a little different this year as I think Pitino is going to play A LOT of players. If our front court players go: Elliason (6), Buckles (5), Mo (4), Oto (3), Buggs (3), they would have as many rebounds as Mbakwe, Rodney, Elliason and Mo last year.

I don't think we'll be as good of a rebounding team next year, but if we play a lot of guys at the 4/5 (which I expect), none of them will put up gaudy rebounding numbers. Elliason is interesting though, he has some pretty interesting numbers if you extrapolate them to 26 minutes (instead of 13) (7 rebs and 2 blocks).
 

In general, I think recruiting quality bigs is going to be the difficult task with our system. Our system really requires a pretty well rounded 4/5. Ideally, we'd need someone who can protect the rim, run the floor and ideally be able to score a little bit (to give us some threat inside). We are going to be pressuring so much that if we don't have a big who can alter shots, the opposition will get a lot of easy looks.

Big men who are athletic enough to run the floor and block/alter a lot of shots aren't the easiest thing to find in recruiting.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
In general, I think recruiting quality bigs is going to be the difficult task with our system. Our system really requires a pretty well rounded 4/5. Ideally, we'd need someone who can protect the rim, run the floor and ideally be able to score a little bit (to give us some threat inside). We are going to be pressuring so much that if we don't have a big who can alter shots, the opposition will get a lot of easy looks.

Big men who are athletic enough to run the floor and block/alter a lot of shots aren't the easiest thing to find in recruiting.
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Bob, you may be right, but I'm guessing some of our big needs will be supplied locally. Back in the days of yore, Dutcher did wonders with those who grew up wanting to wear the maroon and gold. I'm much more concerned with the massive firepower Coach P. will need to succeed in the B1G. He will need to continue to cast a wide net to bring the Vaughns, Allerick Freemans, Alvin Elliss etc. to Dinkytown. Need to bring 3 level scorers into the game in waves.
 

howieramone said:
Bob, you may be right, but I'm guessing some of our big needs will be supplied locally. Back in the days of yore, Dutcher did wonders with those who grew up wanting to wear the maroon and gold. I'm much more concerned with the massive firepower Coach P. will need to succeed in the B1G. He will need to continue to cast a wide net to bring the Vaughns, Allerick Freemans, Alvin Elliss etc. to Dinkytown. Need to bring 3 level scorers into the game in waves.
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I like the part where you lumped in Ellis with Freeman and Vaughn. The kid was likely going to be a solid player, but wow...
 

MinneStoa said:
I like the part where you lumped in Ellis with Freeman and Vaughn. The kid was likely going to be a solid player, but wow...
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Ya gotta remember, Stoa, name dropping for the sake of name dropping makes a poster sound more in tune with things.
 

MinneStoa said:
I like the part where you lumped in Ellis with Freeman and Vaughn. The kid was likely going to be a solid player, but wow...
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Wow.......I could have used Dwayne Wade, but he wasn't one of the top 5 recruits coming out of Illinois his senior year.
 

howieramone said:
Wow.......I could have used Dwayne Wade, but he wasn't one of the top 5 recruits coming out of Illinois his senior year.
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You could have used Wade, and it would have been just as ridiculous of a comparison.
 

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