Pitino or Shaka

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Tommy Flanagan said:
Pitino is greater than Grant. Donovan is not close to retiring. Grant is closer to replacing Donovan, as Pitino is setting up his own legacy here.
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I'm talking about when Donovan went to the NBA. They were sitting with Grant on a plane in Richmond ready to fly to Florida when he changed his mind. But VCU was nothing before Shaka...OK.
 


howeda7 said:
I'm talking about when Donovan went to the NBA. They were sitting with Grant on a plane in Richmond ready to fly to Florida when he changed his mind. But VCU was nothing before Shaka...OK.
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Not true, but whatever works for ya! VCU was built over a period of years, thanks to Teague. Same that is happening here. Sorry, just read the post that led to the post, and we agree? I think?
 

I believe we got the best of the two. Shaka I think is a mover and a shaker. He will not stay long at any one program until he reaches the top...a Duke, or a Syracuse. On the other hand I truly believe young Richard will build our program and stay here even after his father retires from Louisville. He has an edge to him and a chip on his shoulder to succeed here on his own. I truly don't believe he wants to fill his fathers shoes when he retires. This is a great area to live and raise a family despite the long cold winters. There is no venue like the old barn when we are winning and young Richard knows it.
 

Phog Allen blows the Barn away. Most recruits actually prefer the new super facilities. Just the way it is.
 

I would be more than happy to add both VCU and Marquette to our OOC schedule with Pitino at the helm.

We are a few players away from being really good, no more than 6 or 7, and those players are in the pipeline.

Pitino and it isn't even close. BTW, Shaka is really really good and has a cool name.
 



GuyFawkes said:
Shaka is a name every recruit in the country knows, and now put him on big time program and he is going to have a field day recruiting. Sure people know the pitino name, but its not because of our pitino. There is no way you can compare Smart to Tubby, Tubby's time has come and gone, Shaka is just starting. Don't get me wrong, I love pitino and see him doing good things here, but no way I'd take him over Shaka if given the opportunity. Shaka took VCU to a final 4 and has consistently taken his teams into the NCAA tourney. Think about that for a second, Did any of us know who VCU was before Shaka? I think the rest of the nation would laugh their heads off reading this thread.
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Maybe someday the name Pitino will be well known
 

Shaka is probably the better coach right now, that being said I'll take Pitino everyday. He'll pass him up in a couple years and he wants to be here.
 

Only on GH could a guy with multiple Tournament appearances (among them a Final Four) be "all style and no substance" as compared to a guy who has zero Tournament appearances.

Only on GH could a guy who has held exactly one head coaching job for multiple years be "a mover and a shaker" as compared to a guy who has two one-year tenures at two different schools.

You can't make it up. It's almost as if people say whatever they want even if it has zero factual basis.
 

Pitino. of course.

Just because Shaka Smart produces winning teams at VCU doesn't mean he'd win in the Big Ten. Yes, he has more name recognition than Pitino right now, but what would 2 or 3 years of getting beat up in the Big Ten do to Shaka's reputation and name recognition? He'd have had to make an immediate impact or he'd end up being considered no better of a hire than the Tubby Smith hire. Getting VCU to the NCAA tournament consistently is not the same as getting a Big Ten team to the Big Dance. I'm not saying he couldn't have done it, I'm just saying that it shouldn't be assumed that he would have done it.

Shaka, as well as Flip Saunders, both would have had more immediate impacts on the program and recruiting, but it seems Teague went with someone he felt would have a long term impact, possibly greater than Shaka would have had, and probably greater than Saunders would have had. And Pitino has a very good pedigree as well, and obviously was available an Shaka was not, but had Shaka chose to come here, he would have cost a lot more as well and probably required a longer contract that if he didn't work out would have hurt us more. If Pitino doesn't work out it will hurt us less. If he works out, and many Gopher fans seem to like him and his coaching style and his energy, etc., including myself, then we could have a future Hall of Fame kind of long term coach, much like Izzo at MSU or K at Duke or Calhoun at UConn. Those are coaches that made those programs and were there for long time frames and who did or probably will end their collegiate bb careers at those schools. If VCU never makes it back to the Final Four, Shaka could go down in history being seen as a one hit wonder, especially if he doesn't manage to get at least to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 from here on out. I'm not predicting that he won't, just saying that for all he has accomplished so far, if he doesn't have future success, as some in here have stated, people's opinion of him will cool.


He went from a FF run, to back to back 2nd round exits, to getting upset by a #12 seed in the 1st round this year.


I just think all the people saying they'd rather have Pitino believe he has more potential. That's what I believe.
 



dpodoll68 said:
Only on GH could a guy with multiple Tournament appearances (among them a Final Four) be "all style and no substance" as compared to a guy who has zero Tournament appearances.

Only on GH could a guy who has held exactly one head coaching job for multiple years be "a mover and a shaker" as compared to a guy who has two one-year tenures at two different schools.

You can't make it up. It's almost as if people say whatever they want even if it has zero factual basis.
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Who said responses had to be factual, the question in itself ask for an opinion, it's a message board for gopher fans, not a term paper
 

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