PiPress article: Gophers won't allow Trevor Mbakwe to play despite trial delay

While Memphis may have messed up when the head coach attended the HP game, they probably know better than to publicly talk about about the playing time they would offer to a student who is enrolled at another university.

Im only asking, because, how can Trevor know for sure he would play right away there even with a waiver? Even if the basketball people are telling him he can, privately, what is to stop the AD or University President from saying otherwise?

I understand he is frustrated, but transfering doesn't seem to offer any real guerentees either.
 

Im only asking, because, how can Trevor know for sure he would play right away there even with a waiver? Even if the basketball people are telling him he can, privately, what is to stop the AD or University President from saying otherwise?

I understand he is frustrated, but transfering doesn't seem to offer any real guerentees either.

Has he been 'officially' guaranteed anything by Memphis? Probably not. Has he been privately assured they'll let him play? Almost certainly yes. This doesn't mean it's a lock (Lane Kiffin 'assured' Seantrel Henderson the santions would be minor) but it's a safe bet.

The reality is that nothing signifcant has really changed in Trevor's circumstances for about a year now, and nothing else is likely to change until the trial actually occurs. Most reasonable people, such as the Memphis AD, can look at the current facts and say 'Yes you can play until this is resloved' or 'No, sorry.' Only the MN AD seems to struggle so mightily with it.
 

Surely this conference has been scheduled for some time, at least months. Why was the case rescheduled for a time when the judge would not be available? Now Trevor has to wait until August, unless there is another continuance. Perhaps another conference will come out of nowhere.QUOTE]

If I recall correctly, there were reports that there was no judge assigned to the case as recently as a month ago. What likely happened is that when the case was assigned to a judge, that judge’s clerk noted that he/she wasn’t available on the July date and it needed to be re-set. This isn’t uncommon. The case loads of these judges are usually quite large and it isn’t feasible to re-assign each pending case based on a trial date selected before the judge was assigned. Because of that, a new date gets assigned. Case priority is determined on many factors (for example, whether a defendant is in custody or not, the age of the case, etc.). Chavez can say (again) that this new August date is “the” date, but that’s only if it isn’t bumped by a higher priority case. Maybe it’s old enough now that further bumping is unlikely, but I won’t be surprised if it does move back yet again.
 

Has he been 'officially' guaranteed anything by Memphis? Probably not. Has he been privately assured they'll let him play? Almost certainly yes. This doesn't mean it's a lock (Lane Kiffin 'assured' Seantrel Henderson the santions would be minor) but it's a safe bet.

The reality is that nothing signifcant has really changed in Trevor's circumstances for about a year now, and nothing else is likely to change until the trial actually occurs. Most reasonable people, such as the Memphis AD, can look at the current facts and say 'Yes you can play until this is resloved' or 'No, sorry.' Only the MN AD seems to struggle so mightily with it.

The missing part here, Howeda, is that it is not simply the reasonable people at Memphis who need to make this decision for this year. The NCAA has to buy off on waiving its one year transfer rule, which I just think is a real long shot in this case. Mishandled or not by the U administration, their behavior was reasonable (i.e. waiting for the legal system to play out). I just don't think the NCAA will buy an argument that Trevor was treated unfairly by one of its member institutions and so can play somewhere else this year. Anyone telling Trevor that is either lieing, naive or making an attempt to buy off the NCAA.

Regardless of how Maturi responds, the NCAA has to weigh in and waive its hard and fast rule. The only waivers for transfers I can recall are for pretty radical scandal at the previous school (Baylor) and pretty severe family situations, neither of which apply to Trevor. I don't know how its system works, but I also don't see them ruling on a waiver request before Trevor transfers. Very few bureaucratic systems allow you to ask what decision it will make BEFORE you act. It is much more likely that they would say to Trevor or anyone else, "Go ahead and transfer and we will look at your case when you're done." That makes the decision for Trevor to transfer a very high risk one, unless he is okay with sitting out another year and losing a year of eligibility. Whatever one thinks of Maturi, his quotes above suggest he understands that the stakes are higher now because of the risk of losing a year of eligibility.

As torked off as he or we are at the situation, his best chance to play this year is at the U of M. I hope his handlers, including Tubby, are telling him that. I am with Bleed that Maturi should not need any more information to make his decision. He either is allowed to play or not until a decision is made. Regardless, Trevor is in a tough spot because I just don't see him being granted immediate eligibility at another D-1 school this year.
 

The missing part here, Howeda, is that it is not simply the reasonable people at Memphis who need to make this decision for this year. The NCAA has to buy off on waiving its one year transfer rule, which I just think is a real long shot in this case. Mishandled or not by the U administration, their behavior was reasonable (i.e. waiting for the legal system to play out). I just don't think the NCAA will buy an argument that Trevor was treated unfairly by one of its member institutions and so can play somewhere else this year. Anyone telling Trevor that is either lieing, naive or making an attempt to buy off the NCAA.

Regardless of how Maturi responds, the NCAA has to weigh in and waive its hard and fast rule. The only waivers for transfers I can recall are for pretty radical scandal at the previous school (Baylor) and pretty severe family situations, neither of which apply to Trevor. I don't know how its system works, but I also don't see them ruling on a waiver request before Trevor transfers. Very few bureaucratic systems allow you to ask what decision it will make BEFORE you act. It is much more likely that they would say to Trevor or anyone else, "Go ahead and transfer and we will look at your case when you're done." That makes the decision for Trevor to transfer a very high risk one, unless he is okay with sitting out another year and losing a year of eligibility. Whatever one thinks of Maturi, his quotes above suggest he understands that the stakes are higher now because of the risk of losing a year of eligibility.

As torked off as he or we are at the situation, his best chance to play this year is at the U of M. I hope his handlers, including Tubby, are telling him that. I am with Bleed that Maturi should not need any more information to make his decision. He either is allowed to play or not until a decision is made. Regardless, Trevor is in a tough spot because I just don't see him being granted immediate eligibility at another D-1 school this year.

Completely agree. I was not referring to the NCAA's decision whatsoever, only to what Memphis has likely privately told Trevor. The worst thing he could do is lose patience with Maturi, transfer right away and then have his waiver denied. But that doesn't mean he won't do exactly that, especially if he's become convinced that Maturi won't pull the trigger and let him play if this gets delayed further.

On a side note, I think the tampering issue with Memphis is being under-discussed here. Not only have they allegedy been in contact with him since December (that's tampering but not really surprising and they probably weren't the only one) but the fact that one of the supposed witnesses in Trevor's case is now a coach there should be some sort of HUGE red flag to the NCAA here. How do we know he hasn't deliberately made himself scarce as a witness in order to help Memphis's chances? (I'm not saying that's the case, but the very fact that it could happen looks terrible). If Trevor wants to transfer, that's his right, but I think Memphis has disqualfied themselves with thier various transgressions/coincidental ties to this situation.
 


Bingo!!!!

On a side note, I think the tampering issue with Memphis is being under-discussed here. Not only have they allegedy been in contact with him since December (that's tampering but not really surprising and they probably weren't the only one) but the fact that one of the supposed witnesses in Trevor's case is now a coach there should be some sort of HUGE red flag to the NCAA here. How do we know he hasn't deliberately made himself scarce as a witness in order to help Memphis's chances? (I'm not saying that's the case, but the very fact that it could happen looks terrible). If Trevor wants to transfer, that's his right, but I think Memphis has disqualfied themselves with thier various transgressions/coincidental ties to this situation.

That's exactly what I was thinking. It makes me more than a little nervous that an individual who would greatly benefit from Trevor playing at his school plays such an important role in determining the outcome of his trial.

Also, kind of going along with what Bleed says, what would be the harm in Maturi or the school saying that it's okay for Trevor to play for the team at this point in time? There's no risk there. If it turns out that Trevor is found guilty between now and the start of the season, he would not be playing for the Gophers regardless.

Basically, it would be like my wife saying it's okay for me to sleep with Salma Hayek if Salma was okay with it. No risk for her because it's not likely to happen.

Because no games are likely to be played between now and when Trevor learns his fate, what's the harm at this point in time in saying he can play for the team, even if it's determined to be just a token jesture?
 

Basically, it would be like my wife saying it's okay for me to sleep with Salma Hayek if Salma was okay with it. No risk for her because it's not likely to happen.



Sorry Ogee, I think you meant it's not going to happen.......Once you got to that sleeping with Salma I forgot what your post was about.
 

The title changed.

But I still think it's because he's black!

Reserve - Get off it. Trevor is a black man. SOOO WHAT? His race is not going to change. This is not the forum in which cultural, religious, educational, sexual orientation, political, scientific, ecological, etc issues will be adequately addressed. So your repeated knee-jerk is not germane.
 

Reserve - Get off it. Trevor is a black man. SOOO WHAT? His race is not going to change. This is not the forum in which cultural, religious, educational, sexual orientation, political, scientific, ecological, etc issues will be adequately addressed. So your repeated knee-jerk is not germane.

umm, I may be mistaken but I think he was being sarcastic... I know I got a small chuckle out of it when I first read it.
 



Im only asking, because, how can Trevor know for sure he would play right away there even with a waiver? Even if the basketball people are telling him he can, privately, what is to stop the AD or University President from saying otherwise?

I understand he is frustrated, but transfering doesn't seem to offer any real guerentees either.

I highly doubt they are making any kind of promises like that to him. From everything I've heard (some from Trevor) - he knows it's a risk, and his situation is very uncommon. I don't think AD, coaches, etc. have told him that he will get a waiver, just that there's a chance at getting one. I'm pretty sure Memphis is really watching themselves, as they are on probation.
 

I doubt Memphis would risk getting their program completely destroyed for a JC transfer. Not to knock Mbakwe, I would absolutely love to see him in a Gopher uniform this year (Maturi... make the right decision), but Pastner would have to be stupid to risk the future of the program on a single player.
 





Sorry Ogee, I think you meant it's not going to happen.......Once you got to that sleeping with Salma I forgot what your post was about.

That hurts. You don't give me enough credit. My wife actually looks a lot like Salma so give me at least a little bit of a chance.

Okay, okay... it's probably not GOING to happen. I'll grant you that much. Her loss though...
 

"me thinks?"

Intentional use of poor grammar. Apparently lost in translation.
 

That hurts. You don't give me enough credit. My wife actually looks a lot like Salma so give me at least a little bit of a chance.

Okay, okay... it's probably not GOING to happen. I'll grant you that much. Her loss though...

You, my friend, have it made. You're also very, very clever. Also I went back and read through your previous post again and I agree with you and Howeda that a red flag has to go up with Memphis coach being previously employed at Miami Dade CC. (Not that there is anything illegal about it, but I would think Memphis would want to steer clear of even the thought of tampering)
 



I'll make sure to check with you before I post anything from now on. Anyone who knows what a Jar-Jar Binks from Star Wars is must be pretty hip.
 

Could I ask why you use "me thinks"? It's not hip dude :cool02:

It sounds like you are Jar-Jar Binks from Star Wars.

I didn't use it. I don't think I've ever used it.

Plus, I'm pretty sure Shakespeare was far more hip than you could ever hope to be.
 

Anyone who knows what a Jar-Jar Binks from Star Wars is must be pretty hip.

No .. JarJar would say something like .. meesa thinka. :)

Kinda makes me wish the Snoop Dog Shizolater was still available.
 

In case you missed what others have posted, my thread title WAS the original title of the article.

Fuller changed it after about 45 minutes.


You guys do realize that writers/columnists don't write their own headlines, don't you?

Whoever came up with the bad headline was probably a copy editor - not Fuller.
 

I think that if a seeder becomes aware that the article he has seeded has changed in some material way, like a new title, that change should also be made for the thread. I don't think, though, that a seeder has an obligation to monitor an article for changes.
 

FYI I did change the title in the "Go Advanced" edit box, but I think most can't see the change because your browser cookies are probably saved for the post.
 

The only way I see Trevor remaining a Gopher, is if the NCAA rejects his waiver.

Gopherfan1 - do you know if Trevor is closed to graduating? That may be another loophole, if he could graduate by December, then he could do the transfer for 2nd semester, and not have to sit out due to the grad school rule...if that works at the semester. Personally, I didn't even know that summer classes couldn't make you eligible for the next fall.

Also. Roy. I cannot speak on my identity. Gopher lady.. yes he has about another semester left of work to do and hell begin working on his masters.

Thinking back about GL and gopherfan1 exchange, it worries me slightly that Trevor could transfer to Memphis and be eligible to play by late Dec./early Jan. without the waiver if he completes his 4 year degree (presumably at Memphis) this fall.
 



A lot of these threads turn into a lot of bickering amongst bloggers. As much as I enjoy watching personal and grammatical preferences being debated over, I would hope that on a Gopher basketball forum we could focus on basketball matters and not irrelevant idiosyncrasies. Thanks in advance.
 

A lot of these threads turn into a lot of bickering amongst bloggers. As much as I enjoy watching personal and grammatical preferences being debated over, I would hope that on a Gopher basketball forum we could focus on basketball matters and not irrelevant idiosyncrasies. Thanks in advance.

Gophers 2011 prospectus:

WF Rodney Williams, PF Trevor Mbakwe, C Ralph Sampson, Colton Iverson, SG Blake Hoffarber, CG Devoe Joseph, PG Al Nolen - these 7 are the nucleus of the Gophers team. Averaging 25 minutes per game.

PF/C Maurice Walker, WF/SG Austin Hollins - these 2 frosh will see action. Averaging 10 minutes per game.

WF/PF Oto Osenieks, CG Maverick Ahanmisi, CG Eric Stark, PF Dominique Dawson - these back-up players won't see much action. Averaging 5 minutes (or less) per game.

C Elliott Eliason, WF/PF Chris Halvorsen - these players will be redshirts this season.

OVERALL Gophers can get to 25 W this season.
 

I'll take the fall and be the facebook stalker today:

Trevor Mbakwe wish ppl would stop playin wit my life. Yall thought I was a beast before wait till the next time im on the court in the whistle blow. All hell bout to break loose at whatever school I'm at. I have too much too prove cant wait.

Trevor Mbakwe: if I can play here I have no problem doing it but honestly I dont c maturi liftin the suspension

His Girlfriend/Fiance: do what makes u happy. even tho we both kno what that will b. but after being here behind the scenes n seeing how mn treated you... and i kno i cant post alot of it on here.. but it is rly messed up.
After visiting memphis n seeing how coo n down to earth their coach n staff was.. n how supportive every1 was.. more than ppl from ur own hometown.. its clear who has ur bak n who u can trust. I love you.. n once some1 messes wit sum1 I love than they lose my respect. So u kno what scoo has my vote. M town all day

Key: http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1155
GH: How has Tubby been through all of this?
TM: He wants me to play. He has been great, absolutely wonderful.
 




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