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Iceland12 said:
Finding a source at the "U" who doesn't like a Football Coach, going back as far as Holtz isn't exactly "Woodward and Berstein" stuff. Guys around town have been talking about internal "sources" for quite awhile now. Getting someone at the U to leak something embarrassing to the Athletic Department is pretty easy and has been for decades.
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I'm sure it is. But the dude (or dudette's) should still get a verbal lashing if caught. :)
 

House 2 said:
This just doesn't make much sense. If the Gophers beat Purdue, then what? Does the team have to win each week or Brewster is out? What if the team finishes with two wins? or three wins? Maturi said he would let the season play out and I would expect that to happen. What could, or perhaps has, changed that is if Maturi has a "slam dunk" candidate or if Brewster was becoming abusive or losing his players, etc. Would the U administration know a slam dunk candidate if they had one?
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I dunno. I still think it makes perfect sense, up until the part where they blabbed it wide enough to leak prematurely. Now they are properly f**ked unless we lose.
 

GoAUpher said:
Well, all I know is that person deserves to get seriously reprimanded if caught (assuming this wasn't an intentional leak). All they did was set the U up to look bad.
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Well, that was just an off-the-cuff comment on my part, but I guess my theory was that it appears pretty solid that there is internal discussion to can Brewster IF they lose tomorrow. Someone could definitely interpret that as "here we go again" kicking off another amateurish looking coaching transition, especially if they manage to win. That someone might say, "Screw it. The Purdue game, on it's own merits, should not determine a fire or keep decision, so I'm going to force the issue."

...and then leak it.
 

tato2001 said:
Well, that was just an off-the-cuff comment on my part, but I guess my theory was that it appears pretty solid that there is internal discussion to can Brewster IF they lose tomorrow. Someone could definitely interpret that as "here we go again" kicking off another amateurish looking coaching transition, especially if they manage to win. That someone might say, "Screw it. The Purdue game, on it's own merits, should not determine a fire or keep decision, so I'm going to force the issue."

...and then leak it.
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I know you were playing what if. Heck, this is all technically speculation. But as long as we're responding to some speculation why not respond to all of it. Especially since your thought is definitely plausible.
 

GoAUpher said:
I dunno. I still think it makes perfect sense, up until the part where they blabbed it wide enough to leak prematurely. Now they are properly f**ked unless we lose.
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...which is why someone may have leaked it. Perhaps now they have to pull the trigger anyway.
 


Iceland12 said:
One of the big boosters told me a couple of games before the end of that season that boosters had already promised to cover some if not all, of Mason's buyout. It's important to note that while Maturi or Bruininks where always careful to say that they never got money to buyout Mason and the funds for the buyout came from a central fund.

What they never said was whether any money was donated to the fund because Mason was fired. A good guess is that there was.
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Thanks for the insight.
 

Most good candidates are probably on teams going to a bowl and they wont be available for comment or interview till January.
 


Many coaches jump ship before a bowl game. Brian Kelly left Cincinnati last year and they were playing in a BCS bowl. If that wasn't the case the U would have been at no disadvantage from the timing of when they fired Mason, but they were.
 



goldengophers said:
Is that true? Don't we see a lot of head coaches jump ship before bowl games?
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Oh, yeah. Brian Kelly, Nick Saban, Lou Holtz, Lane Kiffin etc. I'm pretty sure that their "negotiations" took a little longer then the 10-12 hours that they'd admit to.

Neither modesty or complete honesty are qualities necessary to succeed as a College football coach.
 

BeerBibleBullets said:
Most good candidates are probably on teams going to a bowl and they wont be available for comment or interview till January.
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Publicly comment/interview. But I'm sure no one close to Brian Kelly ever talked to Notre Dame before the season ended. This is what back-channel communications and agents are for.
 

Here's a thought: Maybe they've pretty much made up their mind that Brewster will be fired, but they don't want to release it after a win. Therefore, it would only be released if we lose to Purdue.

I don't know if I really believe that myself but I suppose it is possible.
 




GophersInIowa said:
Here's a thought: Maybe they've pretty much made up their mind that Brewster will be fired, but they don't want to release it after a win. Therefore, it would only be released if we lose to Purdue.

I don't know if I really believe that myself but I suppose it is possible.
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I agree. Back in the Civil War, Lincoln had decided he wanted to free all the slaves. He couldn't announce the Emancipation Proclamation, though, until his army had won a victory. Otherwise he would have looked foolish and desperate. After Antietam (a draw full of tactical blunders, but close enough) he was able to make it public.

This is sort of the same thing in reverse, where the prez (in this case Bruininks) has to wait for a loss before he can move forward. In both cases, though, the decision was already made. Brewster's death sentence has been written out. Just waiting for the right moment to sign it. The ink won't even be dry when its announced.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Here's a thought: Maybe they've pretty much made up their mind that Brewster will be fired, but they don't want to release it after a win. Therefore, it would only be released if we lose to Purdue.
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Agree. This is why I don't think the leak is intentional and don't get the "1 game ultimatum" freakout from some.
 

Too Long in the Wasteland said:
I agree. Back in the Civil War, Lincoln had decided he wanted to free all the slaves. He couldn't announce the Emancipation Proclamation, though, until his army had won a victory. Otherwise he would have looked foolish and desperate. After Antietam (a draw full of tactical blunders, but close enough) he was able to make it public.

This is sort of the same thing in reverse, where the prez (in this case Bruininks) has to wait for a loss before he can move forward. In both cases, though, the decision was already made. Brewster's death sentence has been written out. Just waiting for the right moment to sign it. The ink won't even be dry when its announced.
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This assumes that their hasn't been an opportunity (right after the loss to WI) to make the announcement after the decision was made.
 

I'm going to be ripped to shreds for this, but...

Any chance that the GI rumor about Dungy agreeing 'in principle' and this are related? The timing seems legit.
 

Silvio said:
This assumes that their hasn't been an opportunity (right after the loss to WI) to make the announcement after the decision was made.
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I have no idea why firing him after Purdue is somehow much worse then doing so after WI. So it took them a little more time to make the call. Thinking it over but still making a move early is a problem but making the move earlier before they might have been ready would be ok? WTF?
 

GoAUpher said:
Agree. This is why I don't think the leak is intentional and don't get the "1 game ultimatum" freakout from some.
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The problem is for better or worse (Maturi didn't deny) the perception (which based on the lack of Maturi's denial) will become reality is that Brewster is now coaching until he loses his next game. If somehow he can string multiple wins together (which I hope for as a gopher fan) Maturi will have a real problem on his hands. Please see highly unlikely hypothetical scenario below.


Highly Unlikely Scenario: Team beats PU, PSU, ILL, and either IA or MSU (one of these two loses multiple games before playing the Gophers). This leaves Brew at 5-7 for the year. Support from some key boosters and fans has changed to "I think Brew did enough to get a shot in 2011." and Maturi decides not to can Brew. During the of season upset by the way he was treated (lack of support from Admin) Brew leaves for the NFL (position coach with some fancy associate head coach title) with the Washington Redskins.

A great piece of fiction, yes. I think the program would be much less appealing if this crazy scenario were to happen then it was after Mase was fired.
 


GoAUpher said:
I have no idea why firing him after Purdue is somehow much worse then doing so after WI. So it took them a little more time to make the call. Thinking it over but still making a move early is a problem but making the move earlier before they might have been ready would be ok? WTF?
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No one thinks it is a problem to do it if they lose, but if they beat PU you have opened up a can of worms.
 

Silvio said:
The problem is for better or worse (Maturi didn't deny) the perception (which based on the lack of Maturi's denial) will become reality is that Brewster is now coaching until he loses his next game. If somehow he can string multiple wins together (which I hope for as a gopher fan) Maturi will have a real problem on his hands. Please see highly unlikely hypothetical scenario below.


Highly Unlikely Scenario: Team beats PU, PSU, ILL, and either IA or MSU (one of these two loses multiple games before playing the Gophers). This leaves Brew at 5-7 for the year. Support from some key boosters and fans has changed to "I think Brew did enough to get a shot in 2011." and Maturi decides not to can Brew. During the of season upset by the way he was treated (lack of support from Admin) Brew leaves for the NFL (position coach with some fancy associate head coach title) with the Washington Redskins.

A great piece of fiction, yes. I think the program would be much less appealing if this crazy scenario were to happen then it was after Mase was fired.
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So the problem you're presenting is based on extremely unlikely hypotheticals? Why worry about it until, I dunno, we win at least 2 in a row? If we're playing the "what if" game I think its as (if not more) likely they end up firing him anyway despite a W and just cutting their losses.
 

Silvio said:
No one thinks it is a problem to do it if they lose, but if they beat PU you have opened up a can of worms.
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Something leaked. That's crappy spin control but whatcha gonna do? You're stressing about hypotheticals.
 

GoAUpher said:
Something leaked. That's crappy spin control but whatcha gonna do? You're stressing about hypotheticals.
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Sure maybe I am stressing about hypothetical situations, but they pose real world ramifications. If we want a qualify coach as our next hire they will likely have multiple opportunities and the U will have to beat out other schools. Poorly handled situation like this will not help the U win those comparisons.
 

Silvio said:
Sure maybe I am stressing about hypothetical situations, but they pose real world ramifications. If we want a qualify coach as our next hire they will likely have multiple opportunities and the U will have to beat out other schools. Poorly handled situation like this will not help the U win those comparisons.
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No one will remember anything about this situation unless your hypotheticals come to pass. Heck, even if we win this weekend and still fire Brew the whole mess gets forgotten if the rest of the season plays out as expected. You've seen the same team we have this season. I really don't think you have a lot to worry about.

Also, I find it odd that someone who is worried about how the U will look in this situation is ok with starting back-channel talks with other current coaches prior to firing our current coach.
 

Iceland12 said:
Oh, yeah. Brian Kelly, Nick Saban, Lou Holtz, Lane Kiffin etc. I'm pretty sure that their "negotiations" took a little longer then the 10-12 hours that they'd admit to.

Neither modesty or complete honesty are qualities necessary to succeed as a College football coach.
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Yeah, it happens quite frequently. Even Glen Mason accepted the Georgia job while his Kansas team was preparing to play UCLA in the Aloha Bowl.
 

Silvio said:
Many coaches jump ship before a bowl game. Brian Kelly left Cincinnati last year and they were playing in a BCS bowl. If that wasn't the case the U would have been at no disadvantage from the timing of when they fired Mason, but they were.
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Yes, its true, but Kelly was practically begging for that job. I dont see much begging for ours...at this time...would be nice though. Hopefully a search committee has been at work already to find interested candidate.
 

Too Long in the Wasteland said:
I agree. Back in the Civil War, Lincoln had decided he wanted to free all the slaves. He couldn't announce the Emancipation Proclamation, though, until his army had won a victory. Otherwise he would have looked foolish and desperate. After Antietam (a draw full of tactical blunders, but close enough) he was able to make it public.

This is sort of the same thing in reverse, where the prez (in this case Bruininks) has to wait for a loss before he can move forward. In both cases, though, the decision was already made. Brewster's death sentence has been written out. Just waiting for the right moment to sign it. The ink won't even be dry when its announced.
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That's all fine. But why coudn't they simply have announced it 4 days ago and gotten it overwith? Something happened between Monday and yesterday that made them suddenly decide it was time?
 

howeda7 said:
That's all fine. But why coudn't they simply have announced it 4 days ago and gotten it overwith? Something happened between Monday and yesterday that made them suddenly decide it was time?
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I believe you hit the nail on the head. One can only speculate, but this next week could be very interesting. I do not think that Brewster will be a lame duck coach and perhaps they've come up with some sort of agreement.

Now the interim coach situation could be interesting. Perhaps it's someone that wants to step in and get comfortable before they make a decision on accepting. The two most qualified (and excellent coaches) that I see are Leach and Mangino. They also bring a certain amount of baggage, but if you win, people forget about the past.
 


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