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I would like someone to show me how college athletics (specifically football) affects research grant success. I thought that was based on the quality of research (papers, patents, etc.) I have all day. Also you really believe someone isn't going to donate one of the new on campus building because of the football team. Yikes.

P.S. look out Academia here comes Boise State University as their football team has secured multiple prestigious research grants (it turns outs fowl do have a tough time telling a difference between a body of water and blue synthetic turf from in flight).
 

50PoundHead said:
Brewster is going to be done at the end of the year regardless, so I don't see why they couldn't wait until before the last game to do it. Brewster won't quit, so if they don't want him around, they'll have to fire him and tell him to leave the building. I doubt the players would quit.

Maybe the boosters have had it and have leapfrogged Maturi and gone right to Bruininks.
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If this is all true, I very much doubt it would be done with the hope that Brew would just quit. Why do it this way? 2 main reasons. To calm the fanbase freakout that is building week by week and to allow the U to get a big jump on the coaching search.
 

Silvio said:
If this is true then just can him now. With my luck as a Minnesota sports fan Brew will go on a two game winning streak and will finish with an almost respectable BigTen record for the year (3-5). Maturi still feeling heat from various boosters and fans who knew how close Brew was to being gone before the Purdue game will still decide to fire Brew. However, during that time he will have solidified his standing with the players and that will lead to MASS transfers and really hurting the program. Basically Maturi will find a way to take a worst case scenario and make it worse.
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Sure, I suppose this is possible. But I really doubt that the players would suddenly leave en mass because their lame duck coach got them to a 4-8 (3-5) record.
 

Silvio said:
I would like someone to show me how college athletics (specifically football) affects research grant success. I thought that was based on the quality of research (papers, patents, etc.) I have all day. Also you really believe someone isn't going to donate one of the new on campus building because of the football team. Yikes.
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Its at least possible. Schools with solid football programs typically see significant upgrades in non-sports donations to the schools so the link between football success and alumni/booster support for the university isn't a far-fetched on.
 

GoAUpher said:
If this is all true, I very much doubt it would be done with the hope that Brew would just quit. Why do it this way? 2 main reasons. To calm the fanbase freakout that is building week by week and to allow the U to get a big jump on the coaching search.
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My guess is behind the scenes they discussed this with Brewster's people, laid down the facts, get to a bowl(Brewster talked about this in his presser) or he's done. That starts or ends with the Purdue game. A choice has also probably been given to Brewster as to whether it should be public, with the case being laid out that his players will get more support if it is public than private. Brewster seems like the type that would do this for his seniors if it's inevitable.
I don't see him walking away early though, and I do think this has to be an unintentional leak.
All very interesting and nearly guarantee's a gopher win on Sat.

Also, if Maturi is simply to issue the prepared statement, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the way out publicly too, setting a date for retirement.
Think of this:
Brewster, Maturi, Cosgrove, Weber, and Dave Lee could all be on the way out:eek:
WHAT WILL PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT HERE! IT WILL BE A GHOST TOWN!
 


GoAUpher said:
Its at least possible. Schools with solid football programs typically see significant upgrades in non-sports donations to the schools so the link between football success and alumni/booster support for the university isn't a far-fetched on.
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I agree but the U hasn't had a solid (above average in BigTen) football program for some time. But I would bet that Large Donors (enough to get their name on a building) have stronger ties to the University than the relative success of the football program. With smaller donors I believe there is a strong coloration between athletic success and number of donations. Does the prestige of having your name on a building at the U really change all that much based on the success of athletics?
 

Ole said:
Think of this:
Brewster, Maturi, Cosgrove, Weber, and Dave Lee could all be on the way out:eek:
WHAT WILL PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT HERE! IT WILL BE A GHOST TOWN!
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I will focus like a laser on the uniforms.
 

Ole said:
My guess is behind the scenes they discussed this with Brewster's people, laid down the facts, get to a bowl(Brewster talked about this in his presser) or he's done. That starts or ends with the Purdue game. A choice has also probably been given to Brewster as to whether it should be public, with the case being laid out that his players will get more support if it is public than private. Brewster seems like the type that would do this for his seniors if it's inevitable.
I don't see him walking away early though, and I do think this has to be an unintentional leak.
All very interesting and nearly guarantee's a gopher win on Sat.

Also, if Maturi is simply to issue the prepared statement, I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the way out publicly too, setting a date for retirement.
Think of this:
Brewster, Maturi, Cosgrove, Weber, and Dave Lee could all be on the way out:eek:
WHAT WILL PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT HERE! IT WILL BE A GHOST TOWN!
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Stop dreaming, Dave Lee isn't even close to being shown the door. Not until the Gophers leave 'CCO.
 

Ole said:
My guess is behind the scenes they discussed this with Brewster's people, laid down the facts, get to a bowl(Brewster talked about this in his presser) or he's done. That starts or ends with the Purdue game.
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That's the other thing that is messed up here. Technically, the bowl game isn't out of reach until after PSU. I know that's not realistically true (b/c I don't see how on earth we beat OSU...or Iowa...or MSU...), but still. If this is the deal you set yourself for egg on your face should the impossible miracle somehow happens. That said, such an occurrence would be beyond miraculous and I'm sure they are thinking that getting it done after Purdue means the fanbase is calmed prior to the homestand.
 



I was going to donate all this money to stem cell research but man, that special teams unit is miserable. Tough luck paraplegics.
 

Silvio said:
I agree but the U hasn't had a solid (above average in BigTen) football program for some time. But I would bet that Large Donors (enough to get their name on a building) have stronger ties to the University than the relative success of the football program. With smaller donors I believe there is a strong coloration between athletic success and number of donations. Does the prestige of having your name on a building at the U really change all that much based on the success of athletics?
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Totally true. All I'm thinking is that if you're a big money donor who is finally fed up there would be no better way to voice your displeasure then to threaten to hold off on that donation to the new __________ center. You don't even have to be that serious about. You get your voice heard, your hand held, you ego stroked, and if you're lucky, a new football coach. A week later you donate the money you would have donated anyway. Heck, I have no idea what new buildings are on tap so who knows how off base this is. Just saying it makes logical sense that it could happen.
 

Of course Brewster has representatives. They are called agents.

That's right Khaliq. Ellestad goes or the kids suffer!
 

Iceland12 said:
That's why the "beat Purdue or get fired" part of the story has as much credibility as Souhan does.

(Sorry for bringing Souhan into it Too Long. Is he married to your Sister or something?)
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Good one! My sister has much better taste in men than that. She also has a journalism degree, so my guess is she could probably write a better column. She figured out a long time ago that there isn't any future in print journalism, and went the freelance writing route. If you ever look at a Coach Bags catalog or visit their website (assuming you're comfortable enough with your manhood to do so), she writes most of their ad copy.

I wasn't so much defending Souhan in my original post as attacking posters on this board who blindly lash out at anything that's perceived as being remotely negative. As I stated elsewhere, this was not one of Souhan's better efforts. I still stand by my assertion that he slapped this one together in 20 minutes when he caught wind of the current rumor.
 




Sounds odd to me, though Maturi and Bruininks have consistently talked about winning enough games, so maybe they had a number in mind, as with Wacker his last year. Could just be a rumor, though. Nevertheless, I'm pulling for the Gophers to clobber Purdue - the firing can come later!
 

Don't you get the feeling MarQueis Gray will never be a starting QB for the Gophers - could he transfer and use up his redshirt season?
 

GoAUpher said:
Totally true. All I'm thinking is that if you're a big money donor who is finally fed up there would be no better way to voice your displeasure then to threaten to hold off on that donation to the new __________ center. You don't even have to be that serious about. You get your voice heard, your hand held, you ego stroked, and if you're lucky, a new football coach. A week later you donate the money you would have donated anyway. Heck, I have no idea what new buildings are on tap so who knows how off base this is. Just saying it makes logical sense that it could happen.
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Maybe that is true, but it would show what is wrong with the U and its relationship with donors/Boosters. Do you know how major Donors/Boosters show their displeasure at other schools? They donate money to cover the buyout, which if I recall did not happen last time as the AD had to borrow money from central admin. The tail wags that dog and is the problem. Successful alumni don't withhold money from a poor performing vendor (in this case the U), they "buy" and fix.
 


josh087 said:
Don't you get the feeling MarQueis Gray will never be a starting QB for the Gophers - could he transfer and use up his redshirt season?
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This is a great question. I believe this is his third year in school, but second on the team. Did sitting out a season because he wasn't cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse cost him year of eligibility or red-shirt year?
 

Sir Tipsy McStagger said:
What about selling naming rights to the position of head coach?

ex: Introducing the Sir Tipsy McStagger Golden Gopher Head Coach, Jim Nendel!

:cool02::cool02:
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I think that could work, most schools have sold those rights to a telecom company(football) or sweater vest space(Bobby Knight). I don't know if the U has or not, but I'm sure they would take alcohol as payment.
 

P.S. : Maybe, just maybe, it means they have a replacement already - possibly for announcement (or leak) before the end of the season. That would help retain players and help with recruiting.
 

Silvio said:
Maybe that is true, but it would show what is wrong with the U and its relationship with donors/Boosters. Do you know how major Donors/Boosters show their displeasure at other schools? They donate money to cover the buyout, which if I recall did not happen last time as the AD had to borrow money from central admin. The tail wags that dog and is the problem. Successful alumni don't withhold money from a poor performing vendor (in this case the U), they "buy" and fix.
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Hmmmmmm...touche sir. I wasn't thinking about it that way for some reason. My logic is only sound in the case of a booster who isn't right in the head. If you've got enough money for your name on a shiny new building you've got the money to buy out Brew and get the process going.
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
P.S. : Maybe, just maybe, it means they have a replacement already - possibly for announcement (or leak) before the end of the season. That would help retain players and help with recruiting.
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This only works if they're hiring Leach or someone else who isn't coaching right now.
 

Silvio said:
This is a great question. I believe this is his third year in school, but second on the team. Did sitting out a season because he wasn't cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse cost him year of eligibility or red-shirt year?
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I thought neither, but I'm definitely not the expert on eligibility questions.
 

Maybe the leak was by someone internal that sees this is a real pussyfoot way to do this. Basically forcing the U to make a decision regardless of whether they win or lose on Saturday.
 

tato2001 said:
Maybe the leak was by someone internal that sees this is a real pussyfoot way to do this. Basically forcing the U to make a decision regardless of whether they win or lose on Saturday.
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Well, all I know is that person deserves to get seriously reprimanded if caught (assuming this wasn't an intentional leak). All they did was set the U up to look bad.
 

tato2001 said:
Maybe the leak was by someone internal that sees this is a real pussyfoot way to do this. Basically forcing the U to make a decision regardless of whether they win or lose on Saturday.
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So you're saying that Maturi is the leak?
 

Silvio said:
Maybe that is true, but it would show what is wrong with the U and its relationship with donors/Boosters. Do you know how major Donors/Boosters show their displeasure at other schools? They donate money to cover the buyout, which if I recall did not happen last time as the AD had to borrow money from central admin. The tail wags that dog and is the problem. Successful alumni don't withhold money from a poor performing vendor (in this case the U), they "buy" and fix.
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One of the big boosters told me a couple of games before the end of that season that boosters had already promised to cover some if not all, of Mason's buyout. It's important to note that Maturi or Bruininks where always careful to say that they never got money to buyout Mason and the funds for the buyout came from a central fund.

What they never said was whether any money was donated to the fund because Mason was fired. A good guess is that there was.
 

GoAUpher said:
Well, all I know is that person deserves to get seriously reprimanded if caught (assuming this wasn't an intentional leak). All they did was set the U up to look bad.
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Finding a source at the "U" who doesn't like a Football Coach, going back as far as Holtz isn't exactly "Woodward and Berstein" stuff. Guys around town have been talking about internal "sources" for quite awhile now. Getting someone at the U to leak something embarrassing to the Athletic Department is pretty easy and has been for decades.
 

This just doesn't make much sense. If the Gophers beat Purdue, then what? Does the team have to win each week or Brewster is out? What if the team finishes with two wins? or three wins? Maturi said he would let the season play out and I would expect that to happen. What could, or perhaps has, changed that is if Maturi has a "slam dunk" candidate or if Brewster was becoming abusive or losing his players, etc. Would the U administration know a slam dunk candidate if they had one?
 

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