P.J. Fleck 'really excited' about where Gophers football stands with NIL

There is still alot of untapped potential at the grass roots level. I still run across alot of Minnesota sports fans who have no idea how the NIL and DInkytown athletes work. And even less information on how to pump money into it such as buying Duck Duck Beer. I did run across a bar that has it on tap and promptly did my civic duty.
 


Good article how a school similar to Minnesota is handling NIL successfully. (sorry if this has already been posted here)

Excellent example of how the portal has leveled the playing field. Eli was the eighth best quarterback in the 2023 class and originally went to Alabama.

https://247sports.com/season/2023-f...ings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=QB

Like Minnesota, Pittsburgh had no chance of getting this guy out of high school, but faced with sitting behind Jalen Milroe at Alabama, he decided to transfer someplace else and get some playing time. Not only did this raise Pittsburgh a level, but it reduced Alabama's margin for error. With as erratic as Jalen Milroe has been this year, I'm sure Alabama wishes they had a quarterback of this level behind him to put some pressure on him and provide an alternative if things go bad. Look how huge an impact it had on Ohio State losing their best offensive lineman to injury! There backup LT had no chance against Nebraska. Depth is an issue everywhere now!

Pittsburgh also brought in a new offensive coordinator from FCS that brought a couple good players with him. Unfortunately, this is another example of FCS being hollowed out by the big leagues! Just a few additional game changing players can move a team from average to good. Sounds very similar to Indiana, right? Bring in an excellent quarterback upgrade through the portal and a new coach that brings multiple good players with him! Ohio State had to pay millions for its transfers. It's less expensive to just portal them over mostly "funded" by the opportunity for better visibility.

I wonder how the B1G can better communicate the value of the opportunity to play for the richest league in college football that gets more airtime on TV than anyone except the SEC? I really love the addition of the west coast teams from this perspective. Being able to televise good games with recognizable brands all day AND night on Saturday is currently unique to the B1G!
 


I feel like the portal/NIL has overall been a positive for Minnesota football and a negative for Minnesota basketball over the past few years.

In football we have seemed to retain the majority of our stars and have brought in some quality players from the portal.

In basketball the results have been much more mixed.
Not to pile on, but didn't the B1G ruin college hockey too by removing us from the WCHA? Easy road trips to see us play local rivals with some of the best teams nationally. Was the Gopher men's hockey team in better shape financially before this change? Were games better attended then? I'm not as close to Gopher hockey so just wondering.
 


Not to pile on, but didn't the B1G ruin college hockey too by removing us from the WCHA? Easy road trips to see us play local rivals with some of the best teams nationally. Was the Gopher men's hockey team in better shape financially before this change? Were games better attended then? I'm not as close to Gopher hockey so just wondering.
Not that connected with hockey so no clue on the financials or any of that but as much as it sucked to lose the WCHA, it makes sense to have a Big Ten Hockey conference now that there are enough teams playing (plus Notre Dame).
 

This is 100% true. Trying Spotted Cow for the first time was an even bigger letdown than Nordeast.

Also.......Surly > New Glarus
I am not a huge fan of Surly...but Fulton is definitely better than New Glarus.
 

Not to pile on, but didn't the B1G ruin college hockey too by removing us from the WCHA? Easy road trips to see us play local rivals with some of the best teams nationally. Was the Gopher men's hockey team in better shape financially before this change? Were games better attended then? I'm not as close to Gopher hockey so just wondering.
Interest in Gopher hockey was way down for a few years, but it's generally bounced back. It's not the same as the WCHA days, but it's better than in the first B1G years. Attendance is good again.

Financially, men's hockey lost money last year, but someone here thought it was because the renovation of the arena to make it an NHL-size ice sheet came out of the hockey budget.
 

Interest in Gopher hockey was way down for a few years, but it's generally bounced back. It's not the same as the WCHA days, but it's better than in the first B1G years. Attendance is good again.

Financially, men's hockey lost money last year, but someone here thought it was because the renovation of the arena to make it an NHL-size ice sheet came out of the hockey budget.
I also think what used to be listed as hockey TV revenue is definitely not what it used to be, which was forced by the move to the Big Ten. So hockey "lost" money for the (supposed) greater good of the conference TV package. But the net amount of money we get from the Big Ten is better than what it used to be, so in the end it's a net plus...even though it looks like hockey is losing money.

Hockey used to be on FSN/Bally's pretty much every game of the season and I'm sure they could count that revenue as hockey revenue. Now that has largely gone away due to the Big Ten taking control of things and the falling apart of Bally's.

Not sure if that made sense.
 
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I also think what used to be listed as hockey TV revenue is definitely not what it used to be, which was forced by the move to the Big Ten. So hockey "lost" money for the (supposed) greater good of the conference TV package. But the net amount of money we get from the Big Ten is better than what it used to be, so in the end it's a net plus...even though it looks like hockey is losing money.

Hockey used to be on FSN/Bally's pretty much every game of the season and I'm sure they could count that revenue as hockey revenue. Now that has largely gone away due to the Big Ten taking control of things and the falling apart of Bally's.

Not sure if that made sense.
It makes sense. The other good thing for the team is the ability for season ticket holders to return tickets for resale. Before that, lots of seats went empty even though there was demand.
 

I also think what used to be listed as hockey TV revenue is definitely not what it used to be, which was forced by the move to the Big Ten. So hockey "lost" money for the (supposed) greater good of the conference TV package. But the net amount of money we get from the Big Ten is better than what it used to be, so in the end it's a net plus...even though it looks like hockey is losing money.

Hockey used to be on FSN/Bally's pretty much every game of the season and I'm sure they could count that revenue as hockey revenue. Now that has largely gone away due to the Big Ten taking control of things and the falling apart of Bally's.

Not sure if that made sense.
I'm pretty sure each school get $X million from BTN and can classify it however they want to between sports. Arguably, I bet volleyball draws almost as any viewers as hockey or even Men's basketball these days, at least for MN.
 

Not to pile on, but didn't the B1G ruin college hockey too by removing us from the WCHA? Easy road trips to see us play local rivals with some of the best teams nationally. Was the Gopher men's hockey team in better shape financially before this change? Were games better attended then? I'm not as close to Gopher hockey so just wondering.
Def did not ruin college hockey, and on a national level was a win. However, Minnesota lost out big time on its long standing rivalries, and a general disinterest in the program that had forever taken fans for granted. Don Luccia really lost favor towards the back third of his tenure.

Attendance was down for a while, but has been getting much more consistently packed the last few years.

The Gophers are also being more aggressive about scheduling with WCHA historic rivals.

Personally, aside from North Dakota, I don't care a ton about a lot of the old rivalries from the WCHA. From 1997-2002 I cared a lot, but it feels like a lifetime ago now.

Before the WCHA, we had rivalries that we lost too. These things take time to build and simmer and I think overall we will continue to get more invested in the new B1G rivalries. My biggest thing is wanting to see the U restore itself as the premier D1 program in the state, which it had lost to Duluth for almost half a decade imo. Minnesota State Mankato and St. Cloud have both had their moments as well.
 

There is still alot of untapped potential at the grass roots level. I still run across alot of Minnesota sports fans who have no idea how the NIL and DInkytown athletes work. And even less information on how to pump money into it such as buying Duck Duck Beer. I did run across a bar that has it on tap and promptly did my civic duty.
I feel like the Stadium does a really bad job of promoting anything NIL related.

This could totally be a rules violation, and maybe that's why. I'm sure someone with a smug attitude will be ready to tell me exactly why we can't. But until then, wouldn't it be nice to advertise NIL donations on the big screen occasionally...use a QR code? Or make it extremely clear that Duck Duck is what we should be drinking?
 



IMO, Oregon comes back to earth once Knight leaves the scene. They have no built-in advantages other than donor money. It's the perfect example of success in the modern NIL/portal era.

The traditional blue bloods like Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, have built-in recruiting advantages, fandom and infrastructure that give them more room for error. One would think USC should be in that list too, but it's a classic case of mismanagement on many levels. Still, the blue bloods can no longer stack multiple years of 5-star and high 4-star recruits on the roster like they used to. That's good for everyone else.

On the one hand, I hate the portal because of all the player churn and potential to lose stars every year. On the other hand, it also opens opportunities with good management. I'm torn.
The portal is a positive in more parity. You have the opportunity every year to improve your team. Most highly recruited freshman don't contribute much the first year or two. Really good portal guys contribute from Day 1.

Fleck has consistently replaced those leaving in the portal with better players.
 






Def did not ruin college hockey, and on a national level was a win. However, Minnesota lost out big time on its long standing rivalries, and a general disinterest in the program that had forever taken fans for granted. Don Luccia really lost favor towards the back third of his tenure.

Attendance was down for a while, but has been getting much more consistently packed the last few years.

The Gophers are also being more aggressive about scheduling with WCHA historic rivals.

Personally, aside from North Dakota, I don't care a ton about a lot of the old rivalries from the WCHA. From 1997-2002 I cared a lot, but it feels like a lifetime ago now.

Before the WCHA, we had rivalries that we lost too. These things take time to build and simmer and I think overall we will continue to get more invested in the new B1G rivalries. My biggest thing is wanting to see the U restore itself as the premier D1 program in the state, which it had lost to Duluth for almost half a decade imo. Minnesota State Mankato and St. Cloud have both had their moments as well.
Lucia lost favor because he got lazy in recruiting and was not adapting. He was not for the Big Ten but had no way to stop it since everyone else was. The blame goes to WI and MI (and especially Alvarez and Berenson) for why the BTHC became a thing. Well that and so many teams in the WCHA needing games against Minnesota and Wisconsin to make their budgets. (CCHA was even worse with Michigan and MSU) The WCHA/CCHA needed to each split up but no one wanted to lose games against the Big Ten teams (and Minnesota fans wanted their rivalry games) so they kept kicking the can down the road and then Penn State started hockey and Alvarez made his play. Berenson hated playing all of the Michigan Schools outside of MSU (especially the Yoopers) so he was in. MSU obviously agreed as did Penn State and that was the end of that.

I hate that we schedule so many WCHA teams...
 

Lucia lost favor because he got lazy in recruiting and was not adapting. He was not for the Big Ten but had no way to stop it since everyone else was. The blame goes to WI and MI (and especially Alvarez and Berenson) for why the BTHC became a thing. Well that and so many teams in the WCHA needing games against Minnesota and Wisconsin to make their budgets. (CCHA was even worse with Michigan and MSU) The WCHA/CCHA needed to each split up but no one wanted to lose games against the Big Ten teams (and Minnesota fans wanted their rivalry games) so they kept kicking the can down the road and then Penn State started hockey and Alvarez made his play. Berenson hated playing all of the Michigan Schools outside of MSU (especially the Yoopers) so he was in. MSU obviously agreed as did Penn State and that was the end of that.

I hate that we schedule so many WCHA teams...
Thanks for the history lesson guys! Like I said, I don't follow college hockey that closely, but was worried the B1G ruined the sport by disbanding the WCHA. Glad to hear it's more complicated than that and hockey attendance is trending back up.

I was talking to a DIII hockey player at Hamline the other day which is where all this came up. He said since there is no DII hockey, DIII and DI are more closely linked. He said a decent number of Minnesota native D1 guys that play out of state transfer down to DIII if things don't go well for them and come back home so there is a good bit of mixing. It was amazing to talk to him about college hockey and how different it is than football. Sounds like the portal has helped hockey players too. NIL never came up probably because it pretty much doesn't exist for hockey. There's barely enough money for partial scholarships even at the D1 level.

I only brought this up because I'm astonished in the state of hockey that what should be our state's flagship program doesn't have TONS of money and an arena bursting at the seams, like football down south.
 



Lucia lost favor because he got lazy in recruiting and was not adapting.

Drove me nuts. He really blew up his legacy the last portion of his run here. I still remember when City Pages ran a whole story on it.
 

I only brought this up because I'm astonished in the state of hockey that what should be our state's flagship program doesn't have TONS of money and an arena bursting at the seams, like football down south.

Honestly, it blows my mind that more football fans aren't hockey fans. Choke jobs aside, it's the one program at the U that consistently in the mix and is a "blue blood."

Mariucci can really be a fun time!
 

Def did not ruin college hockey, and on a national level was a win. However, Minnesota lost out big time on its long standing rivalries, and a general disinterest in the program that had forever taken fans for granted. Don Luccia really lost favor towards the back third of his tenure.

Attendance was down for a while, but has been getting much more consistently packed the last few years.

The Gophers are also being more aggressive about scheduling with WCHA historic rivals.

Personally, aside from North Dakota, I don't care a ton about a lot of the old rivalries from the WCHA. From 1997-2002 I cared a lot, but it feels like a lifetime ago now.

Before the WCHA, we had rivalries that we lost too. These things take time to build and simmer and I think overall we will continue to get more invested in the new B1G rivalries. My biggest thing is wanting to see the U restore itself as the premier D1 program in the state, which it had lost to Duluth for almost half a decade imo. Minnesota State Mankato and St. Cloud have both had their moments as well.
I really miss St. Louis U and US International...

I agree though, other than NoDak, I don't miss the other teams. We play UMD and St. Cloud often enough for me to not miss the rest at all.
 

I feel like the Stadium does a really bad job of promoting anything NIL related.

This could totally be a rules violation, and maybe that's why. I'm sure someone with a smug attitude will be ready to tell me exactly why we can't. But until then, wouldn't it be nice to advertise NIL donations on the big screen occasionally...use a QR code? Or make it extremely clear that Duck Duck is what we should be drinking?
Agree. I wouldn't be opposed if the Stadium only sold beer with NIL attachment. If that means the only beer available is Duck Duck, so be it. Yeah, some folks won't be happy, but I'm guessing 90% of beer drinkers at a Gopher sports event will be just fine drinking Duck Duck. This would also help spread the word on NIL. If someone asks the server, "why is there only one beer brand available?" After the server explains that the players are benefitting from Duck Duck sales, most will say, "Oh, okay, cool."

On a related note, this week I finally signed up for the base Club level with Dinkytown Athletes.
 

Honestly, it blows my mind that more football fans aren't hockey fans. Choke jobs aside, it's the one program at the U that consistently in the mix and is a "blue blood."

Mariucci can really be a fun time!
I fit this. Basketball used to be my second favorite Gopher sport. It no longer is. Here's the ranking I've had for a few years:

1. Football
2. Hockey
3. Volleyball
4. Basketball
 

My main fear would be new Glarus and the badgers teaming up for an NIL beer. That revenue could vault them ahead of the blue bloods /s
I don't see Deb Carey doing something so foolish.
 

I fit this. Basketball used to be my second favorite Gopher sport. It no longer is. Here's the ranking I've had for a few years:

1. Football
2. Hockey
3. Volleyball
4. Basketball
This list is correct!!!
 




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