Oregon Dan Lanning: Koi is "football serious."

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FredCoxRocks said:
Does "eager" mean "without using arms"? Just curious.
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It implies he's eager to tackle; it says nothing about how he approaches it or how skillfully he delivers on that eagerness.

I'm hoping for a dependable tackler in the Gopher secondary this year. And a DC that can coach.
 

"Hey, the kids should get a cut of the money from sales of their jerseys in the campus bookstore!" Said by adult idiots who did not have the foresight to see that turns college sports into professional sports. If that's you, you're an idiot.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
God the sour grapes by some people on here...

Huge national recruit chooses the local team. Plays two years here, Gophers do not win a ton and a better offer comes up with a legit shot at a natty and much deeper pockets. The kid is like 20 years old and people are complaining he is not thinking like a 50 something that has been in a career for 25-30 years. I don't know what he was making here, but I am assuming he is getting close to double it from Oregon, and has a chance to be on a bigger stage. He gave MN two good years.
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He had offers from Ohio St, Michigan, USC etc out of high school. If winning and making the most money was his goal, he could have had that in year one.

He chose MN due to the best combination of immediate playing time and money. Mailed it in for a good part of year two and then jumped ship.

He's a local kid who took a large part of the recruiting/NIL budget and then used MN as a stepping stone. I don't blame a lot of fans for being upset about that.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
He had offers from Ohio St, Michigan, USC etc out of high school. If winning and making the most money was his goal, he could have had that in year one.

He chose MN due to the best combination of immediate playing time and money. Mailed it in for a good part of year two and then jumped ship.

He's a local kid who took a large part of the recruiting/NIL budget and then used MN as a stepping stone. I don't blame a lot of fans for being upset about that.
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That's fair. But a lot can change in a couple years too. I can agree with PT immediately but you dont think someone else offered him comparable dollars to play there? Maybe he thought MN would be better than they were as well?
 

I think the worst thing when the Gophers have someone notable transfer out, or a highly rated recruit chooses a different team - is the never ending threads that cover how they are doing at rival schools. I know it is my choice to even open threads like this (and to be fair to myself, I didn't read a single post in here prior to posting this), but it still bugs me.

I'm of the mentality that when people do not choose to play at the U, they are dead to me and although I do not wish any negativity or injury toward them - I am not interested in how they are doing in their new surroundings either.

There will now be a Gopherhole thread for every Perich interview, interception, kickoff return, success, failure, benching, etc. etc. and although I will avoid most of them, their existence will still annoy me.
 


Schnauzer said:
I think the worst thing when the Gophers have someone notable transfer out, or a highly rated recruit chooses a different team - is the never ending threads that cover how they are doing at rival schools. I know it is my choice to even open threads like this (and to be fair to myself, I didn't read a single post in here prior to posting this), but it still bugs me.

I'm of the mentality that when people do not choose to play at the U, they are dead to me and although I do not wish any negativity or injury toward them - I am not interested in how they are doing in their new surroundings either.

There will now be a Gopherhole thread for every Perich interview, interception, kickoff return, success, failure, benching, etc. etc. and although I will avoid most of them, their existence will still annoy me.
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Good post, and you are right.

Agree that once someone leaves who cares. Nothing against the player. Players leave other teams to come here too, so it happens both ways.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
God the sour grapes by some people on here...

Huge national recruit chooses the local team. Plays two years here, Gophers do not win a ton and a better offer comes up with a legit shot at a natty and much deeper pockets. The kid is like 20 years old and people are complaining he is not thinking like a 50 something that has been in a career for 25-30 years. I don't know what he was making here, but I am assuming he is getting close to double it from Oregon, and has a chance to be on a bigger stage. He gave MN two good years.
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The whole "dead to me" thing is silly.
Koi had one really good, maybe excellent year and one average year where his play appeared passive. It looked like he was the second guy in on every play. He got a much better opportunity based on his production year one. It's an opportunity everyone on this board would have taken. He's not going to be the center of anything like he was here and I'll be really curious to see if Oregon gets year one or year two Koi.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
He had offers from Ohio St, Michigan, USC etc out of high school. If winning and making the most money was his goal, he could have had that in year one.

He chose MN due to the best combination of immediate playing time and money. Mailed it in for a good part of year two and then jumped ship.

He's a local kid who took a large part of the recruiting/NIL budget and then used MN as a stepping stone. I don't blame a lot of fans for being upset about that.
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I'm not going to get into what Perich's decision calculus was. Probably a lot of reasons. I do think one of the primary reasons he attended Minnesota was that he knew that in all likelihood he was going to see the field quite a bit as a freshman and that could possibly open better portal options for him. I believe that's going to be the route that a lot of high school guys take--even the highly-ranked ones--where they first head to a school where they surmise they are going to get extensive playing time as either a true freshman or a redshirt freshman. They build up their resume and if they perform helmet schools will come calling.

That may be why Perich chose Minnesota instead of Ohio State where he may have been sitting until his junior year and where there's always a wave of highly-recruited guys (some of whom may play the same position) coming in every year.

I hope he does well. Any time a Minnesota kid does well, it draws attention to the state and that may help a lot of good players in the future.
 

DCinOK said:
"Hey, the kids should get a cut of the money from sales of their jerseys in the campus bookstore!" Said by adult idiots who did not have the foresight to see that turns college sports into professional sports. If that's you, you're an idiot.
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You are not wrong but remember when every issue with college athletics seemed to solvable with ‘what if we paid the players?’. Many of us mocked this but here we are. Next up hs athletes.
 



Spaulding!No! said:
You are not wrong but remember when every issue with college athletics seemed to solvable with ‘what if we paid the players?’. Many of us mocked this but here we are. Next up hs athletes.
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I think it could have been done in a way that would have avoided the mess we are now experiencing. They could have loosened up the on-campus employment restrictions and provided some stipend to athletes based on a revenue sharing calculation, but the NCAA and the conferences just refused to budge. We probably still end up where we've ended up, but I put a lion's share of the blame for the current situation on the NCAA and the conferences.
 


gopherbadgerman said:
God the sour grapes by some people on here...

Huge national recruit chooses the local team. Plays two years here, Gophers do not win a ton and a better offer comes up with a legit shot at a natty and much deeper pockets. The kid is like 20 years old and people are complaining he is not thinking like a 50 something that has been in a career for 25-30 years. I don't know what he was making here, but I am assuming he is getting close to double it from Oregon, and has a chance to be on a bigger stage. He gave MN two good years.
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Mostly agree with this. Kid could have played damn near anywhere and chose to stay home. Sure.....he's leaving for greener pastures now......but he made some big plays over his two years and was generally an exciting player. We finally started returning punts again!
 

After dropping $2M on an asset, Lanning certainly isn't going to come out and say he's struggling to grasp the defense and is currently taking 2nd and 3rd team reps. Last year at this time he was being hyped as the next Travis Hunter. How did that work out? Maybe he's a star. Maybe he's a dud. At this point, it doesn't matter.
 



gopherbadgerman said:
That's fair. But a lot can change in a couple years too. I can agree with PT immediately but you dont think someone else offered him comparable dollars to play there? Maybe he thought MN would be better than they were as well?
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gopherbadgerman said:
That's fair. But a lot can change in a couple years too. I can agree with PT immediately but you dont think someone else offered him comparable dollars to play there? Maybe he thought MN would be better than they were as well?
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I know it's heresy to ever doubt the implicit genius of PJ Fleck on this board, but maybe he wanted to play for a DC that will actually prepare him for the NFL?

That said, it's not like he moved the entire franchise out of town in the middle of the night without telling anybody. He played by the rules of the game today. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

And ignore the doubtlessly innumerable posts that will follow Koi around until he's in the NFL or whatever happened to Koi Perich if he doesn't pan out.
 

caliGopher said:
but maybe he wanted to play for a DC that will actually prepare him for the NFL?
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Wasn't Collins the secondaries coach for a bunch of our guys in the NFL now? That certainly doesn't translate to calling plays but if there was one position group that shouldn't have changed much.... Now the Dline players I could see with that kinda argument.
 

Yes. He may be a duck, but to all of us, he is oreGONE for good
Jack jones said:
Please last article on Koi. In my eyes he is a loser who kicked his fellow Gophers in the groin for more money
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It’s pretty easy to me. He wasn’t an RTB guy. Culturally he’ll be way better off out in Oregon where they don’t have all the nonsense and just focus on winning football games. The vast majority of the kids we bring in adjust to the culture just fine. I think Koi thought it was BS. We may have had the worst CB play in the Big Ten last year and the kid probably tried to do too much to cover that up. I’ll miss having them around although the body language stuff from last year was frustrating.
 

Gopherchase said:
It’s pretty easy to me. He wasn’t an RTB guy. Culturally he’ll be way better off out in Oregon where they don’t have all the nonsense and just focus on winning football games. The vast majority of the kids we bring in adjust to the culture just fine. I think Koi thought it was BS. We may have had the worst CB play in the Big Ten last year and the kid probably tried to do too much to cover that up. I’ll miss having them around although the body language stuff from last year was frustrating.
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This and a $500,000 raise! :ROFLMAO:
 


I appreciate Koi made the decision to be a Gopher. I think that helped our program.
Year two, he didn't seem happy, so it is best for all that he moved on.
But, I'm still interested in what he's up to and how it's going. I certainly don't hope he fails.
He would be a lot more dead to all of us had he chosen Ohio State over the Gophers.
He was a benefit to the Gophers, he contributed to the Gophers, be grateful.
 


Where are people getting this "mailed it in" nonsense from??

If he actually had done that, there's zero chance a school like Oregon would offer him big $$$.

Objectively he had a worse season statistically, though teams threw away from him more and he couldn't take advantage of being an unknown like his first year. That doesn't mean he "mailed it in". That's some major rube-age.
 

50PoundHead said:
I'm not going to get into what Perich's decision calculus was. Probably a lot of reasons. I do think one of the primary reasons he attended Minnesota was that he knew that in all likelihood he was going to see the field quite a bit as a freshman and that could possibly open better portal options for him. I believe that's going to be the route that a lot of high school guys take--even the highly-ranked ones--where they first head to a school where they surmise they are going to get extensive playing time as either a true freshman or a redshirt freshman. They build up their resume and if they perform helmet schools will come calling.

That may be why Perich chose Minnesota instead of Ohio State where he may have been sitting until his junior year and where there's always a wave of highly-recruited guys (some of whom may play the same position) coming in every year.

I hope he does well. Any time a Minnesota kid does well, it draws attention to the state and that may help a lot of good players in the future.
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Uh...wut?
These "highly ranked recruits" who could go anywhere, will go to Minnesota so they can then go anywhere?
 

USAF said:
Uh...wut?
These "highly ranked recruits" who could go anywhere, will go to Minnesota so they can then go anywhere?
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My primary point was that guys are going to want to see the field immediately and Perich might be an example of that. If Perich had gone to tOSU, he would probably have been in the position to either red-shirt or sit behind someone for a year or maybe two. He went to Minnesota and saw the field right away and put himself in a position to move up to a more highly-ranked program. I think we might see more of that.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
God the sour grapes by some people on here...

Huge national recruit chooses the local team. Plays two years here, Gophers do not win a ton and a better offer comes up with a legit shot at a natty and much deeper pockets. The kid is like 20 years old and people are complaining he is not thinking like a 50 something that has been in a career for 25-30 years. I don't know what he was making here, but I am assuming he is getting close to double it from Oregon, and has a chance to be on a bigger stage. He gave MN two good years.
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You fail to understand that my general happiness is largely contingent upon Minnesota kids going to and finishing their playing careers at the University of Minnesota.

When that doesn’t happen, I get both sad and mad.
 

PeoplesFront said:
You fail to understand that my general happiness is largely contingent upon Minnesota kids going to and finishing their playing careers at the University of Minnesota.

When that doesn’t happen, I get both sad and mad.
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What drives me bonkers are the people who bend over backwards to lick his cleats thinking we should appreciate that he even came here and cheering him on for chasing money. It's a joke, too, because if he did the same and went to Wisconsin or Iowa instead, a lot of the "thanks Koi" crowd would be angry. Every person here should call it is what it is across the board. It's bullshit.

Dude didn't so much as send out a perfunctory "thanks to the people of Minnesota" tweet that almost every single kid has ever put out when they've left a program, particularly high impact ones. He's a low character douchebag and I hope, if karma is a thing, it eats him alive in Oregon.

Graduate a Gopher, go pro early, transfer out of conference, transfer down, leave football, never commit here in the first place -- we're good. Transfer within the conference, particularly as a "star" player from our own state and leave like a thief in the night with no acknowledgement to the poor fools dishing out money for season tickets who still sing your praises and defend your total lack of character? Eat shit.

He's a douche and he'll always be my most reviled former Gopher. As far as I'm concerned, if you're okay with any of what Koi did and are trying to do mental gymnastics to justify his actions, you're a milquetoast fan of this football program. It's also a prime example why we don't have any fucking big money boosters. Too many blase fans.
 
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mngg11 said:
...Transfer within the conference, particularly as a "star" player from our own state and leave like a theif in the night with no acknowledgement to the poor fools dishing out money for season tickets who still sing your praises and defend your total lack of character? Eat shit.

He's a douche and he'll always be my most reviled former Gopher. As far as I'm concerned, if you're okay with any of what Koi did and are trying to do mental gymnastics to justify his actions, you're a milquetoast fan of this football program. It's also a prime example why we don't have any fucking big money boosters. Too many blase fans.
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mngg11 said:
What drives me bonkers are the people who bend over backwards to lick his cleats thinking we should appreciate that he even came here and cheering him on for chasing money. It's a joke, too, because if he did the same and went to Wisconsin or Iowa instead, a lot of the "thanks Koi" crowd would be angry. Every person here should call it is what it is across the board. It's bullshit.

Dude didn't so much as send out a perfunctory "thanks to the people of Minnesota" tweet that almost every single kid has ever put out when they've left a program, particularly high impact ones. He's a low character douchebag and I hope, if karma is a thing, it eats him alive in Oregon.

Graduate a Gopher, go pro early, transfer out of conference, transfer down, leave football, never commit here in the first place -- we're good. Transfer within the conference, particularly as a "star" player from our own state and leave like a theif in the night with no acknowledgement to the poor fools dishing out money for season tickets who still sing your praises and defend your total lack of character? Eat shit.

He's a douche and he'll always be my most reviled former Gopher. As far as I'm concerned, if you're okay with any of what Koi did and are trying to do mental gymnastics to justify his actions, you're a milquetoast fan of this football program. It's also a prime example why we don't have any fucking big money boosters. Too many blase fans.
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Silly me 🤷‍♂️

I thought it was because none of them were smart enough to make billions of dollars💪
 

PeoplesFront said:
You fail to understand that my general happiness is largely contingent upon Minnesota kids going to and finishing their playing careers at the University of Minnesota.

When that doesn’t happen, I get both sad and mad.
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That’s fair. I don’t know why you say you feel that I don’t understand that.
 

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