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yeah, not sure how Dabo stays around. He peaked with Watson and Lawrence as his QBs and hasn't really done much without them.
 






The Deliberate Stranger said:
Dabo's overall record is insane at Clemson, two Natty's, two runner ups, nine conference titles, never had a losing conference record in 17 years. Last year was a down year, but they would be insane to fire the one of only two active coaches with multiple FBS National titles
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I agree. I don’t think Clemson will fire him given they are still a regular in the playoff despite being outspent in NIL.
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Yet he’s hung around for a while fielding wonky teams…. I’m not sure Clemson can do better?
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pre-NIL and portal I'd agree that they probably would do worse than better. But now when you can recover your roster quickly if you mess up a coaching hire, I'd take the chance.
 




The Deliberate Stranger said:
Dabo's overall record is insane at Clemson, two Natty's, two runner ups, nine conference titles, never had a losing conference record in 17 years. Last year was a down year, but they would be insane to fire the one of only two active coaches with multiple FBS National titles
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That's all in the past though, he's not adapting well to the present. By the reasoning above, Belicheck should be coaching the Patriots as long as he wants to.
 





GopherTheJugular said:
That's all in the past though, he's not adapting well to the present. By the reasoning above, Belicheck should be coaching the Patriots as long as he wants to.
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He has a top 15 2027 class. I do think he has the benefit of being in the ACC. It will be interesting to see how he does over the next few years.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
yeah, not sure how Dabo stays around. He peaked with Watson and Lawrence as his QBs and hasn't really done much without them.
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I think you would be surprised.

If you take away his first two years and 2025 he is winning 80% of his games outside of the Watson/Lawrence seasons.

Post Trevor Lawrence Era
2025: 7-6
2024: 10-4
2023: 9-4
2022: 11-3
2021: 10-2

Trevor Lawrence Era
2020: 10-2
2019: 14-1
2018: 15-0

Non Lawrence/Watson
2017: 12-2

Deshaun Watson Era:
2016: 14-1
2015: 14-1
2014: 10-3

Pre Watson:
2013: 11-2
2012: 11-2
2011: 10-4
2010: 6-7
2009: 9-5
 


I wonder though. Pre Dabo Clemson was just a middle of the road ACC team right?


There might not be any magic there other than some weird-o coach who inexplicably got promoted from WR coach to HC.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
That's all in the past though, he's not adapting well to the present. By the reasoning above, Belicheck should be coaching the Patriots as long as he wants to.
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Dabo's teams have not reached nearly the same level of ineptitude as Belicheck's Browns teams and post Tom Brady Patriots. Dabo's worst conference record is still .500 his only overall losing record was in his first full season in 2010
 

GopherTheJugular said:
pre-NIL and portal I'd agree that they probably would do worse than better. But now when you can recover your roster quickly if you mess up a coaching hire, I'd take the chance.
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How bad can their NIL be? They clearly had money to pay five star recruits under the table in their Natty days. You could argue Dabo has refused to get onboard with the transfer portal but I am guessing the frustration on that front is more so because they are willing to pay
 

Dabo is still a good and reliable coach as others have said, so if Clemson wants to move on (which would still be an understandable decision) they need to be sure they're getting a replacement with higher upside. If an option doesn't present itself, I say stick to the devil you know.
 

ergopher said:
Dabo is still a good and reliable coach as others have said, so if Clemson wants to move on (which would still be an understandable decision) they need to be sure they're getting a replacement with higher upside. If an option doesn't present itself, I say stick to the devil you know.
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Who honestly has higher upside. Hes done it all.
 


gopherbadgerman said:
Who honestly has higher upside. Hes done it all.
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"higher upside" isn't the same as "past accomplishments". Now if there was a reason to believe his best years aren't in the rear-view window, then extend the leash. I just don't see a reason to believe he can replicate past success.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
"higher upside" isn't the same as "past accomplishments". Now if there was a reason to believe his best years aren't in the rear-view window, then extend the leash. I just don't see a reason to believe he can replicate past success.
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Thats fair, but in all honesty who has more upside to win Natty's at Clemson?
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Thats fair, but in all honesty who has more upside to win Natty's at Clemson?
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You kinda have to take that chance, right, if you want to change from the rut you think you're in (if they do think that). Same with my job or your job, I like mine now but I'm only at this job because I needed a change from an old one but I went to two "bad" places first. But eventually I ended up way better than when I started looking.

Look at Oregon, Lanning wasn't a "for sure" thing but they took a chance on a coordinator from a NC quality team. Had it failed, they'd have another one trying now.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
You kinda have to take that chance, right, if you want to change from the rut you think you're in (if they do think that). Same with my job or your job, I like mine now but I'm only at this job because I needed a change from an old one but I went to two "bad" places first. But eventually I ended up way better than when I started looking.

Look at Oregon, Lanning wasn't a "for sure" thing but they took a chance on a coordinator from a NC quality team. Had it failed, they'd have another one trying now.
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I could be wrong, but they didn't fire the former coach, he left for Miami...

I thought you were referencing firing Dabo and rolling the dice on someone else. If he left for another job I would totally get that.
 

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