Ok, I'll start the coaching search thread

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I think this could come down more to program momentum than x number of wins or losses. Attendance is down and the fans in general are skeptical. It is my opinion this program is more attractive now with Coyle as AD and the new facilities than even last year. We may not get our top candidate but we won't be giving a 7-year contract to a MAC head coach with one good year either. I hope Claeys can get another win or two but as it looks right now we might not.
 

Let the season play out, people.

Beat NW. Keep it close against Wisc. Beat a quality P5 team in your bowl. Boom, 9-4. Not too shabby, regardless of schedule.

Lose to NW. Get blown out against Wisc. Lose your bowl against a MAC or lower-level P5 team. Not good...
 

csom_1991 said:
We need a good head coach that can develop talent, has won the big game, and has shown the ability to run the entire football program. For me -- that narrows it down to Craig Bohl. We can get 6-8 years out of him easily and he has shown he can develop a staff so we might be set after he retires. With Bohl probably entering his final program, we don't have to worry about him leaving should he have immediate success here which is a risk - not only that they will lose the coach, but it puts a ceiling on your recruiting as the players don't know if the coach will stick around - probably an issue for Mason and likely used against Kill (although health and not winning related).
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As others have pointed out, it is curious why Wyoming seems to be the only team to show any interest in him.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Sorry, but I think a lot of Gopher fans have horribly over-rated the level of talent on this team. Virtually every team they play has better athletes - faster, quicker, more dynamic. In the clutch, other teams have athletes who make big plays. The Gophers need everything to go right to win - because the other teams have better athletes.

If the Gophers are going to change coaches, recruiting has to be the #1 criteria. Yes, I know that sounds like Brewster Part 2, but you can learn from your mistakes. If you hire a coach who is primarily a recruiter, then you make sure there is an underlying coaching philosophy in place, and hire coordinators who will implement that philosophy. If you hire a coach who is primarily an X's & O's guy, then you have to make sure the top assistant coaches are proven successful recruiters.

Need better talent. Need better talent. Need better talent. Need better talent. Want to win games? Need better talent.

If your players are a step slower than the guy they're matched up against, schemes only take you so far. More often than not, the better athlete will make a play to win the game.
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On offense, yes...defense, no. TC has quietly built a top 20-25 defense over the last 3-4 years. With that defense, they just need an offense that ranks around 60-70 in total offense, not 100. That looks to me like 8+ win team on a fairly consistent basis.
 

gopherguy said:
Dude, seriously- Minnesota's 7 victories are against teams with a average (mean) of 3.4 victories. Minnesota's 3 losses are against teams with a average of 7.3 victories. In other words Minnesota's record is a result of their easy schedule. If you want to keep Claeys based on that good luck.
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As I said on a different thread, first time in a long time where the Gophs have been in position late to win every game. Two losses were on the road against teams who've been ranked in Top Ten. Literally two plays from being 9-1.
 


No one in the West has a dynamic head coach. Coyle has a great opportunity to show Minnesota means business.


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PMWinSTP said:
As I said on a different thread, first time in a long time where the Gophs have been in position late to win every game. Two losses were on the road against teams who've been ranked in Top Ten. Literally two plays from being 9-1.
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We're three plays from being 4-6 or worse.


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PMWinSTP said:
As I said on a different thread, first time in a long time where the Gophs have been in position late to win every game. Two losses were on the road against teams who've been ranked in Top Ten.
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I think if we had UM or tOSU on the schedule and they blew our doors off by 40+ (which seems likely), we would be having a completely different discussion on TC. As such, he has benefited from a schedule where we didn't really face any teams capable of putting up huge point totals against any of their opponents - much less the Gophers with a decent D.
 



csom_1991 said:
I think if we had UM or tOSU on the schedule and they blew our doors off by 40+ (which seems likely), we would be having a completely different discussion on TC. As such, he has benefited from a schedule where we didn't really face any teams capable of putting up huge point totals against any of their opponents - much less the Gophers with a decent D.
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They had OSU and UM last year with a worse team. Neither of those games were blowouts.
 

even if tc goes 0-2 the last few weeks, no way he gets fired---no reason we should lose to NW. WI probably lose, they are playing for a potential playoff position, their running game is picking up and the d is crazy good....oh and the axe.

face it, we have tc for another year at least...not a bad thing, just realty, he can keep us moving sideways, he is not going to make the program go in reverse
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
They had OSU and UM last year with a worse team. Neither of those games were blowouts.
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This year Harbaugh and Meyer are trying to run up scores for some reason. I think these games would be very, very ugly for the Gophers.
 

csom_1991 said:
This year Harbaugh and Meyer are trying to run up scores for some reason. I think these games would be very, very ugly for the Gophers.
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Great reasoning-not. You think 'ol jimmy and Urban just thought they'd be nice to TC last year? No they were in dogfights with the Gophs.


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"You think 'ol jimmy and Urban just thought they'd be nice to TC last year? No they were in dogfights with the Gophs. "

Michigan is a much better team this year than last year. So, yeah - they would blow our doors off. As for tOSU - they sleepwalk through half their schedule until they get their wake-up call. If we played them right now, we would lose by 30+. Yes - there is that much of a gap between us and the top programs. But continue to wear your maroon colored glasses by all means.
 

csom_1991 said:
"You think 'ol jimmy and Urban just thought they'd be nice to TC last year? No they were in dogfights with the Gophs. "

Michigan is a much better team this year than last year. So, yeah - they would blow our doors off. As for tOSU - they sleepwalk through half their schedule until they get their wake-up call. If we played them right now, we would lose by 30+. Yes - there is that much of a gap between us and the top programs. But continue to wear your maroon colored glasses by all means.
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If that's true they must have blown the doors off of Iowa this last Saturday. Huh, score says they lost 14-13.
 

Tackle4loss said:
Why do we blame claeys for Leiden being terrible?
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Yeah Leidner should call less predictable plays and should tackle and cover better.

Delete your account.
Now...my list, in order:

1- PJ Fleck
2- Jeff Brohm
3- Lane Kiffin
4- Pat Narduzzi
5- Dave Aranda
6- Tracy Claeys
(If we beat NW and give Wisconsin a run. Hard to fire 8-4. Team has been competitive in every game,
unfortunately even vs the lower tier teams tho..)
 

kisarazu said:
If that's true they must have blown the doors off of Iowa this last Saturday. Huh, score says they lost 14-13.
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Yeah - you're right, Michigan sucks this year. Seriously - you call this an argument?
 


kisarazu said:
How was my math different from yours?
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It's not the math, it's the logic. Apparently, you are ready to crown NDSU B1G champions if UM wins out. You still believe in the transitive property of college football match-ups...most don't.
 

csom_1991 said:
It's not the math, it's the logic. Apparently, you are ready to crown NDSU B1G champions if UM wins out. You still believe in the transitive property of college football match-ups...most don't.
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I do?
 

csom_1991 said:
It's not the math, it's the logic. Apparently, you are ready to crown NDSU B1G champions if UM wins out. You still believe in the transitive property of college football match-ups...most don't.
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You're making a hypothetical argument.
He's making a hypothetical argument.

By definition, neither of you can be right.

Might Mich and OSU blow our doors off? Sure, it's possible. But a Tracy Claeys team hasn't been blown out yet...even last year, with a very depleted roster against 3 Top 10 teams. So kisarazu has a leg to stand on. But you do as well...both Mich and OSU are great teams this year who have manhandled teams we lost to or played close.

Too bad we won't get one of them in the B1G Championship to find out.
 

I can't tell the difference between sarcasm and serious coaching suggestion on this forum....
 


Gopher028 said:
Yeah Leidner should call less predictable plays and should tackle and cover better.

Delete your account.
Now...my list, in order:

1- PJ Fleck
2- Jeff Brohm
3- Lane Kiffin
4- Pat Narduzzi
5- Dave Aranda
6- Tracy Claeys
(If we beat NW and give Wisconsin a run. Hard to fire 8-4. Team has been competitive in every game,
unfortunately even vs the lower tier teams tho..)
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1. No chance
2. I mentioned him 6 weeks ago and was told to GTFO.
3. No chance
4. No chance
5. No chance
6. Don't want him
 

TruDat said:
1. No chance
2. I mentioned him 6 weeks ago and was told to GTFO.
3. No chance
4. No chance
5. No chance
6. Don't want him
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No chance... you dont want them? we can't get them? we won't go after them?
 


bemidjigopher said:
No way you were 100% for Claeys if you want to dump a head coach in his first year at 7-3. Why don't you just keep it 100
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Go back to the "What grade would you give the Claeys hire?" poll. A. It's the highest grade you could give. That's because it was the right hire at the right time for reasons I stated in at the time. In my opinion the program is headed in the wrong direction. Therefore I believe our new AD should make a hire. Enthusiasm for this program is nose diving and I believe will only get worse. Now Claeys beats WI and you obviously keep him.


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The reality of today's college football is that if you want to win, and you want to win now, you go and get the right coach. You take a semi full of cash and get someone that can come in and make a difference. All this talk about Aranda and Fleck is laughable if you want to really win.

A)Claeys is doing a great job given that he is a first year coach, he inherited an offensive line that is junk, and has a new offensive coordinator. I advocate keeping him. Why there is animosity for posting a 4-3 record in the Big Ten is ridiculous. All this talk about "the schedule". Look, the Big 10 sets the schedule, and they are beating big 10 teams. They haven't bee whipping up on the Sun Belt (See:Glen Mason). The fact is that they have lost games against better programs and won the games against the programs we expect to beat. Ultimately, Tracey Claeys job is to win Big 10 games, and he is 4-3. To be honest, the fact that our fanbase expects more is ridiculous.

2)In the event you are going to let Claeys go, you need to go get a coach that will win. That list is pretty short.

A)Bret Beliema-Look, I hate the guy. But he knows how to win and has done a great job at Arkansas. The reality is that he is waiting on KF to leave Iowa. Perhaps 6Million/ year plus a huge assistant pool could lure him here.

B)Bobby Petrino-The guy is a whore. However 8M / year would be enough to bring him here and the guy can win and run a clean program (other than the mistresses)

Alternates-Neither of which I feel are better than Claeys

C)Dan Mullen-While I am not 100% convinced he is a great coach without Prescott, the reality is that he can win football games and compete at the highest level. Perhap
D)Mike Leach-I think he would leave Washington State and the guy can build a winner. I don't know if he could get us to the promised land, but based on his work at T Tech and WSU, I think he can.

E)Rich Rodriguez-He won at WVU, he stunk and UM and won at Arizona, although not that much. Similar to Leach, I think he can win and his Big 10 experience would help if he returned as I am certain he now knows a 4-2-5 scheme doesn't work so well when Wisconsin lines up close to 1 ton of O Lineman accross from you. That said, Arizona has been up and down.


Are these all dreams? Yep. But you don't replace a first year, unproven coach, who has beaten 4 Big 10 teams and a Pac 10 team with some guy that isn't a proven winner. I am sorry the "schedule" wasn't hard as hell this year, but that isn't TC's fault or problem. His job is to win games and he has done that. If you want to play at the next level, you go out and get a next level coach. Michigan did that with Harbaugh, Alabama did that with Saban, etc.
 

gotomn said:
The reality of today's college football is that if you want to win, and you want to win now, you go and get the right coach. You take a semi full of cash and get someone that can come in and make a difference. All this talk about Aranda and Fleck is laughable if you want to really win.

A)Claeys is doing a great job given that he is a first year coach, he inherited an offensive line that is junk, and has a new offensive coordinator. I advocate keeping him. Why there is animosity for posting a 4-3 record in the Big Ten is ridiculous. All this talk about "the schedule". Look, the Big 10 sets the schedule, and they are beating big 10 teams. They haven't bee whipping up on the Sun Belt (See:Glen Mason). The fact is that they have lost games against better programs and won the games against the programs we expect to beat. Ultimately, Tracey Claeys job is to win Big 10 games, and he is 4-3. To be honest, the fact that our fanbase expects more is ridiculous.

2)In the event you are going to let Claeys go, you need to go get a coach that will win. That list is pretty short.

A)Bret Beliema-Look, I hate the guy. But he knows how to win and has done a great job at Arkansas. The reality is that he is waiting on KF to leave Iowa. Perhaps 6Million/ year plus a huge assistant pool could lure him here.

B)Bobby Petrino-The guy is a whore. However 8M / year would be enough to bring him here and the guy can win and run a clean program (other than the mistresses)

Alternates-Neither of which I feel are better than Claeys

C)Dan Mullen-While I am not 100% convinced he is a great coach without Prescott, the reality is that he can win football games and compete at the highest level. Perhap
D)Mike Leach-I think he would leave Washington State and the guy can build a winner. I don't know if he could get us to the promised land, but based on his work at T Tech and WSU, I think he can.

E)Rich Rodriguez-He won at WVU, he stunk and UM and won at Arizona, although not that much. Similar to Leach, I think he can win and his Big 10 experience would help if he returned as I am certain he now knows a 4-2-5 scheme doesn't work so well when Wisconsin lines up close to 1 ton of O Lineman accross from you. That said, Arizona has been up and down.

Are these all dreams? Yep. But you don't replace a first year, unproven coach, who has beaten 4 Big 10 teams and a Pac 10 team with some guy that isn't a proven winner. I am sorry the "schedule" wasn't hard as hell this year, but that isn't TC's fault or problem. His job is to win games and he has done that. If you want to play at the next level, you go out and get a next level coach. Michigan did that with Harbaugh, Alabama did that with Saban, etc.
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What would it take to get Pelini?
 

Jeezo beezo, we are not paying any coach >$4M a year to coach here. I would be shocked if we shelled out more than $2.5M/yr (which is about average for the conference, and will allow the administration to say we are paying a competitive salary for our head coach). It's not in our DNA to shell out the big bucks, never has been, and I haven't seen anything from an administrative level or an angel investor ready to swoop in and make the change to make me think that we're anywhere near ready to offer close to top dollar for our next coach.

That means we're probably looking at G5 head coaches, P5 retreads and P5 assistants.
 

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