***OFFICIAL MINNESOTA VS SANTA CLARA THIRD-PLACE IN-GAME THREAD!!!***

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FinnGopher said:
LOL, now your just desperately trying to get out of your "woe is us" corner you're living in. Lighten up Francis.
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You're not bright enough to follow a simple point. Noted.

One last try:

Take up the "woe is poor us" thing with those proclaiming it. Those saying we can't expect the University of Minnesota to compete. It's NIL, "the administration," Minneapolis is woke, blah blah blah. One lame excuse after another.

There's no reason Minnesota can't be a regular NCAA tournament level team every other year or so. Sweet 16 once in a while. No. Reason.
 
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Bad Gopher said:
A la Tommy Amaker
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I think they both like being out of limelight. Santa Clara isn't a bad place and I think Amaker's wife is a professor at Havard and loves it. Though Amaker thought he was going to get the Duke job when K retired, but K overruled the AD.
 


DarthGopher said:
1,000%.

The guy I sit next to at football games leaned over to me earlier this year and said PJ is probably the best we can do. I just looked at him and said bluntly, "I don't buy that bullshit."

I'm tired of the fatalistic attitude. It is possible to be BOTH academically AND athletically top shelf. It is not an OR statement.

Time to hire Terrible Terry Tate to start motivating people properly. :cool:
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My dad tells me all the time to just be happy with what we have in PJ and all other Gopher sports, but mostly with PJ. I don't get that and never will understand that attitude and have told him so. He thinks my expectations are simply too high.

I always ask him then why do both Iowa and Wisconsin (Thank GOD the badgers are dropping, hopefully they'll not show up for their next game!!) who have the same supposed complications in recruiting than we do, thrive?

Anyway, it's an argument I've had with my dad for 15 years now...
 

StPaulDrew said:
You are delusional. The University of Minnesota can not afford a “splash hire”. The football team, which is every athletic programs cash cow, is 16th of 18 in Big Ten in revenue. The teams NIL collective has as much cash as a carwash located on University and Snelling. I hope you remain on these boards in 20 years so I can hear you bad mouth the next 5 head coaches over that span. What we need is a large cash injection- and unless the athletic department starts buying lotto tickets, I don’t think that’s going to happen.
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Mn CAN and could have afforded a splash hire. These are choices.
 



DanvilleGopher said:
My dad tells me all the time to just be happy with what we have in PJ and all other Gopher sports, but mostly with PJ. I don't get that and never will understand that attitude and have told him so. He thinks my expectations are simply too high.

I always ask him then why do both Iowa and Wisconsin (Thank GOD the badgers are dropping, hopefully they'll not show up for their next game!!) who have the same supposed complications in recruiting than we do, thrive?

Anyway, it's an argument I've had with my dad for 15 years now...
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PJ maxing out the football program, but I've personally believed it would be easier for us to be a basketball school. It ain't happening this year though. We have been to a final four, a sweet 16 and an elite 8 in my lifetime. In football though, Iowa and Wisconsin 300 mile radius is better is better than ours and Iowa also has an additional 3 million in funding for assistant coaches, but the high school basketball here is pretty good, need someone to tap into it
 

If Iowa had been just a little better last year, maybe they don’t can Fran and bring on McCollum. Maybe Indiana gets him instead, but that was the realistic (ish) option for the Gophers. It’s only 7 games, yes, but it’s hard not to look at the stark difference.

The coach makes a huge difference. Timing plays a huge role, too.
 

formerlybis said:
If Iowa had been just a little better last year, maybe they don’t can Fran and bring on McCollum. Maybe Indiana gets him instead, but that was the realistic (ish) option for the Gophers. It’s only 7 games, yes, but it’s hard not to look at the stark difference.

The coach makes a huge difference. Timing plays a huge role, too.
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IF Nique Clifford was playing college another year, he might have followed Niko like Stirtz followed McCollum. Then you have a whole different story right now. McCollum is a really good coach. I think Niko is too. The U is going to have to help him jump start this with as much money as possible. It would be a smart business decision to do so. Next year can be totally different. No doubt this year is going to be VERY rough base on what we have seen from our talent so far.
 









bga1 said:
IF Nique Clifford was playing college another year, he might have followed Niko like Stirtz followed McCollum. Then you have a whole different story right now. McCollum is a really good coach. I think Niko is too. The U is going to have to help him jump start this with as much money as possible. It would be a smart business decision to do so. Next year can be totally different. No doubt this year is going to be VERY rough base on what we have seen from our talent so far.
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Again, timing. Could have moved on from Johnson a year earlier.

I have nothing against Medved - too soon. I certainly liked the hires at Indiana and Iowa better, though.
 


I never expected much from this year. Maybe better than this but didn't expect a tournament team.

I also don't think you "build a program" as you did twenty years ago. College basketball is a complete mess right now where the distance between the elite programs and everybody else will continue to grow. Throw out the "brick by brick", "establish a culture", "lock down the border" nonsense.

However......we still need to see some level of continuity in this program. For me, my level of optimism or lack there of will be influenced by what happens this spring. Unlike Ben's first year, I liked the fact Niko brought in a bunch of non-seniors. But that only helps if you can keep the ones you want (obviously). If we are replacing 10 guys again, then nothing has changed in the recruiting, NIL, administration, etc. Niko might win a few more games than his predecessor but we will still be looking up at the majority of the conference.
 




USAF said:
You're not bright enough to follow a simple point. Noted.

One last try:

Take up the "woe is poor us" thing with those proclaiming it. Those saying we can't expect the University of Minnesota to compete. It's NIL, "the administration," Minneapolis is woke, blah blah blah. One lame excuse after another.

There's no reason Minnesota can't be a regular NCAA tournament level team every other year or so. Sweet 16 once in a while. No. Reason.
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There is no reason Minnesota cannot be a regular tournament level team. We agree. Our difference is that you want it right now and if you don't get it right now you go into "woe is poor me" mode.
You cannot see this fact. I would point you to your many posts that do just this, but you cannot see your comments as being "poor me." Instead, you yell at everyone for having patience instead of joining you in your "give it to me now" childish tantrum that you constantly are having. You may be the most immature poster on the board.
 

I keep reading here that "Niko is a really good coach". Based on what? The fact that he was successful at CS? Well now he is coaching in the Big Ten, and so far his body of work doesn't scream success either as a recruiter or a coach,

As to his coaching abilities, this team is regressing rather than progressing. Hardly the workings "of a really good coach". Likewise with his lack of recruiting prowess, despite having substantially more financial resources to work with than his predecessor .He basically recruited and built this team with the exception of a couple of holdovers. The product is far from the recruiting success of "a really good coach".

I realize it is not entirely fair to judge Niko so early in his tenure. Likewise, its very premature to judge his coaching ability . Time will tell one way or the other, but enough already with the Niko is a "really good coach" mantra.
 

Arealgopherfan said:
I keep reading here that "Niko is a really good coach". Based on what? The fact that he was successful at CS? Well now he is coaching in the Big Ten, and so far his body of work doesn't scream success either as a recruiter or a coach,

As to his coaching abilities, this team is regressing rather than progressing. Hardly the workings "of a really good coach". Likewise with his lack of recruiting prowess, despite having substantially more financial resources to work with than his predecessor .He basically recruited and built this team with the exception of a couple of holdovers. The product is far from the recruiting success of "a really good coach".

I realize it is not entirely fair to judge Niko so early in his tenure. Likewise, its very premature to judge his coaching ability . Time will tell one way or the other, but enough already with the Niko is a "really good coach" mantra.
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You should have written the last paragraph and ended there. Your first two paragraphs show you either don't know the game or you don't understand the process and want instant coffee.
Niko's history shows a coach who builds a consistently good program. He didn't get the superstar players to join Minnesota this season. Why? I don't know, other than to say we didn't offer the money that would attract them. Is the lack of money Niko's fault? I won't blame him for that, but perhaps you do.
 

I’m already to the point of complete apathy with this year’s team. Just completely uncompetitive and boring to watch. It’s the first time in years I’ve shut off a game in the first half and never looked back.
 

FinnGopher said:
You should have written the last paragraph and ended there. Your first two paragraphs show you either don't know the game or you don't understand the process and want instant coffee.
Niko's history shows a coach who builds a consistently good program. He didn't get the superstar players to join Minnesota this season. Why? I don't know, other than to say we didn't offer the money that would attract them. Is the lack of money Niko's fault? I won't blame him for that, but perhaps you do.
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Niko is a really good coach. Do I now know the game and understand the process?
 

Arealgopherfan said:
I keep reading here that "Niko is a really good coach". Based on what? The fact that he was successful at CS? Well now he is coaching in the Big Ten, and so far his body of work doesn't scream success either as a recruiter or a coach,

As to his coaching abilities, this team is regressing rather than progressing. Hardly the workings "of a really good coach". Likewise with his lack of recruiting prowess, despite having substantially more financial resources to work with than his predecessor .He basically recruited and built this team with the exception of a couple of holdovers. The product is far from the recruiting success of "a really good coach".

I realize it is not entirely fair to judge Niko so early in his tenure. Likewise, its very premature to judge his coaching ability . Time will tell one way or the other, but enough already with the Niko is a "really good coach" mantra.
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I don't see any recognition in your post that Niko is now playing with a 7-man roster without two starters and they had to do that in back-to-back nights. Granted, this is likely a bottom 3 conference team even when completely healthy but I do agree with the coach that this team never quit in those games despite the adverse circumstances and they deserve some credit for that.
 

I watched the whole game last night and the thing that struck me is how much better SANTA CLAUSE ER SANTA CLARA was than the Gophers. This was no fluke. I think I would take every one of their starters over the Gophers, including their freshmen coming off the bench. It's just so freaking sad.

I want to believe that Niko knows what he's doing, but I just shake my head watching Reynolds try to run the point with Asuma on the court. A B10 team should never have a PG bringing the ball up the court who can't dribble. A decent high school defender could steal the ball from him.

Lastly, I worry about this team quitting. JCJ came off the court limping and the look on his face was "i didn't sign up for this....." Tyson had the same look of frustration. This may be Niko's biggest challenge of the season.
 

FinnGopher said:
Niko's history shows a coach who builds a consistently good program. He didn't get the superstar players to join Minnesota this season. Why? I don't know, other than to say we didn't offer the money that would attract them. Is the lack of money Niko's fault? I won't blame him for that, but perhaps you do.
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First of all, the money thing is just more of the "woe is me, poor us" bullshit being trowelled out

But let's say that's THE reason this team sucks... How's that going to change in the future? If Medved's path to success is lots of money, and you claim we don't have any, what's your plan?

Box.
 


USAF said:
First of all, the money thing is just more of the "woe is me, poor us" bullshit being trowelled out

But let's say that's THE reason this team sucks... How's that going to change in the future? If Medved's path to success is lots of money, and you claim we don't have any, what's your plan?

Box.
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You want to ignore NIL as a player in which team a person chooses. Why do you ignore the modern era of recruiting. It is interesting to see you cry "woe is me" and then accuse others of making up excuses regarding a very real part of modern recruitment.
At this point you are an outlier on this board, an old man who yells at clouds, and an unquenchable curmudgeon. Thanksgiving must be a terrible holiday for you.
 

FinnGopher said:
You want to ignore NIL as a player in which team a person chooses. Why do you ignore the modern era of recruiting. It is interesting to see you cry "woe is me" and then accuse others of making up excuses regarding a very real part of modern recruitment.
At this point you are an outlier on this board, an old man who yells at clouds, and an unquenchable curmudgeon. Thanksgiving must be a terrible holiday for you.
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Your refusal to address the point is duly noted.
 

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