***OFFICIAL MINNESOTA AT INDIANA IN-GAME THREAD!!!***

I know the odds of this are like 0.000001%. But honestly just put a call into Beilien, I know mid season coaching moves aren't a thing on college but he's sitting on BTN now, maybe we could talk him into a few months and see what happens.

No, Beilien is 71 years old. Find some coach who is at least a decade younger. Cignetti is 63 years old so I guess we could go up to that general age group.
 

They are. Our guards aren't good (they might be passable against some conference opponents) but it's our front line that really is overmatched against talented size. We've seen that in both of our conference games. Once again we were drubbed on the boards. I don't want to fault Garcia because he is talented and plays hard but he's really a stretch forward and the others are no match for the inside play of the big men we've seen in these first two games.

I was encouraged by the confirmation of next year's revenue sharing duscussed by the announcers during the game. I read that was supposed to start next season but I'm glad to hear it confirmed. Maybe under that system we can get adequate recruiting parity and retain good players. Maybe Ben Johnson would have done better under that system but I don't feel much trust in him going forward.

Can't blame Garcia. He's already trying to do too much and is way too important on the offensive end. But what is Mitchell's purpose if he can't box out or jump? He's large....but soft as a damn pillow. Similar with Edmonds. He's 6'10" 250lb.....and just gets moved out of the way. These two need to be WAY more aggressive....and if they foul out.....who the hell cares!? It's not like teams are scared to throw the ball into the paint as it is.
 


Can't blame Garcia. He's already trying to do too much and is way too important on the offensive end. But what is Mitchell's purpose if he can't box out or jump? He's large....but soft as a damn pillow. Similar with Edmonds. He's 6'10" 250lb.....and just gets moved out of the way. These two need to be WAY more aggressive....and if they foul out.....who the hell cares!? It's not like teams are scared to throw the ball into the paint as it is.

Yeah, in retrospect, Payne probably was the biggest loss from last year's team. He could match up well physically against at least half of the big men in the conference.
 

We have 10 guys that for sure won’t be back next year and others that likely won’t. Seems like a good opportunity for a new coach to me.

It also should be a more attractive environment than it has been for a new coach due to the new revenue sharing arrangement.
 



It also should be a more attractive environment than it has been for a new coach due to the new revenue sharing arrangement.
That's a good point. I wonder what next year could look like with the new revenue sharing. Plus with everyone basically leaving next year, I would just hope we can keep Asuma around. With his brother coming to play baseball I would think he would stick around.
 


That's a good point. I wonder what next year could look like with the new revenue sharing. Plus with everyone basically leaving next year, I would just hope we can keep Asuma around. With his brother coming to play baseball I would think he would stick around.
Revenue sharing may explain why we were at least able to sign the 3 HS players. Smaller conferences will not be able to compete with that money.
 



Also Carpenter—IIRC a huge kid from Tennessee who lasted about a half year near the end of the Dutcher era (circa 1983-1984)…
Mike Carpenter, 7'2" from Knoxville, Tn....with the Gophers for a year (83-84) then transferred to Arkansas, back when they were still in the Southwest Conference.
Paul Van den Einde (Willmar hs) was the other frosh 7-footer that year for the Gophers... Jim Petersen's senior year

84-85: Mike redshirted, Eddie Sutton was coach, then played for Nolan Richardson (85-86), backing up Andrew Lang. Didn't shoot any free throws for the Gophers, but was 8-18 (44.4%) his 1 year in Fayetteville.


 








That final rejection of our attempted dunk was appropriate for an ending.

A microcosm of the players on this team. Free look at the basket and rather than slam the ball down.....Edmonds tries to lay it in like he's trying not to break an egg.
 

Who held Ben accountable?
This is what drives me crazy about the Ben Johnson "good guy" stuff. I won't pretend to know if he's a good guy or not, but I do know he's taken zero accountability for his terrible record through 3.5 seasons. Much more accomplished coaches have come out and publicly apologized to fanbases for a terrible performance, and Ben has never done that. Every time he talks it's as if he's had a couple conference titles and some deep NCAA runs and it's just the players that need to figure something out. Reality is he's never been successful at this level. Not at Nebraska, not at Minnesota, and not at Xavier. He'd deflected accountability at every turn. First, he claimed his last place team to start his career was "building something' despite him playing essentially all Seniors. Then he claimed after that first year that he now knew what type of players he needed to win in the Big Ten (despite having been an assistant coach in the league for 6 years previously). Then he claimed that we needed to "embrace the suck" when he put the worst team in Gopher history on the floor. That result was largely blamed on Cooper and Battle who then went on to play better elsewhere with Cooper starting for an NCAA team and Battle playing well for tOSU and now playing in the NBA.

He needs to own that he brought in a D3 bench player, that he brought in Taurus Samuels and Jack Wilson, that guys like Thompson, Thiam, Keinys, and Betts were complete misses. That guys like JOJ, Carrington, and Henley were not the type of prospects that you bring in and just hand major minutes to as Freshmen.

The Big Ten Network crew spent a couple minutes during the blowout talking about how Ben told them how much the revenue sharing would help next year. It's just unreal with this guy always kicking the can down the road and never acknowledging the reality of his own performance. I might be taking that completely wrong but it just seemed like another excuse to try to get yet another chance and he's doing it before his first road game of the season. He brought in all Seniors this year to try to save his job (remember not "microwaving things" like other programs?) and already seems to be bailing on accountability for that.
 

I know the odds of this are like 0.000001%. But honestly just put a call into Beilien, I know mid season coaching moves aren't a thing on college but he's sitting on BTN now, maybe we could talk him into a few months and see what happens.
I think this is interesting. Not necessarily pro Beilein, but I don't thing age should be a consideration at all in who we hire next. We know in this era of basketball, things change on a year to year basis so worrying about 5 years from now is pointless. Minnesota has to get out of the mentality of trying to check all these boxes of this mythical coach who can coach for 25 years and will never leave. The first criteria has to be "will this guy win?" if there's more than one guy on your list that is a definitive "yes" to that question, then you can move on to age, or style of play, or birthplace, or whatever else. If someone comes to Minnesota and makes the NCAA's in '25 and we can't keep him (has never happened in basketball in my lifetime, but whatever), they were a successful hire and made the job more attractive for the next guy.
 

That's a good point. I wonder what next year could look like with the new revenue sharing. Plus with everyone basically leaving next year, I would just hope we can keep Asuma around. With his brother coming to play baseball I would think he would stick around.
Do you think the administration has even started to consider revenue sharing. My guess is that it is going to be an implementation disaster. Lots of hard decisions would have to be made. Massive cuts/elimination of non revenue sports. Not much confidence in them getting it right.
 

Do you think the administration has even started to consider revenue sharing. My guess is that it is going to be an implementation disaster. Lots of hard decisions would have to be made. Massive cuts/elimination of non revenue sports. Not much confidence in them getting it right.
I don't disagree with the idea that the administration will screw up revenue sharing. However, I thought I heard that 21 million is being budgeted next year for it. That said we will probably have million dollar women's volleyball players and 50 cent men's basketball players.
 

Ben is talking about Habits and Playing Hard……..well……

He has lost the team. He needs to go!

He lost his top players from last years team to the portal. He cannot recruit.

Minnesota has to get with the times and pay more for a coach and pay more for players. The u of MN is so fucking liberal and woke I don’t know if can get better without a major shift in the universities beliefs.
 


I think this is interesting. Not necessarily pro Beilein, but I don't thing age should be a consideration at all in who we hire next. We know in this era of basketball, things change on a year to year basis so worrying about 5 years from now is pointless. Minnesota has to get out of the mentality of trying to check all these boxes of this mythical coach who can coach for 25 years and will never leave. The first criteria has to be "will this guy win?" if there's more than one guy on your list that is a definitive "yes" to that question, then you can move on to age, or style of play, or birthplace, or whatever else. If someone comes to Minnesota and makes the NCAA's in '25 and we can't keep him (has never happened in basketball in my lifetime, but whatever), they were a successful hire and made the job more attractive for the next guy.
I didn't say this but to follow up, I meant just for the rest of this year with Beilien. If anything just to make us look respectable on the floor and give us some credibility. I don't want him long term.
 

Garcia is on his 3rd school. Marquette didn’t want him with the coaching change, he was laughed and rode out of UNC, now Minnesota….he is the man on a bad team….no payer that is good wants to play with him. It is glaringly obvious that he cares about getting his and his only
 

The only way to fix this team, is to blow it up and start over. Need a respected coach who can recruit and get a player to come to play at Minnesota in the barn over a schools that have much better facilities
 

I don't disagree with the idea that the administration will screw up revenue sharing. However, I thought I heard that 21 million is being budgeted next year for it. That said we will probably have million dollar women's volleyball players and 50 cent men's basketball players.
My understanding is that it is going to come from the guaranteed payout from tv contracts etc.. Currently 100% of that money goes to the athletic department to pay for all sports. If 20-25% of that money in the future is going directly to athletes the athletic department is going to have a huge deficit that has to be addressed.
 


My understanding is that it is going to come from the guaranteed payout from tv contracts etc.. Currently 100% of that money goes to the athletic department to pay for all sports. If 20-25% of that money in the future is going directly to athletes the athletic department is going to have a huge deficit that has to be addressed
The U is a 5 billion dollar operation (revenues per year from all sources). Last year had a 100 million surplus overall. The TV contract is getting bigger. I think that the overall organization just has to suck it up. A lot of the money goes to support non-revenue generating sports. If they can't handle it, then drop the ones that cost money versus generating it. That's how it works for classes- if nobody wants to pay for it, they drop the course.

The financials submitted by the U don't even separate athletic department spending:

 

I am former diehard, season ticket holder fan who does not follow it nearly as much any more as college sports morphs towards being nothing more than minor league professional sports. (One of my pet peeve is simply trying to figure out if a game is on TV and what channel!)

I watched last night - because frankly there was nothing better on. First time all season. My thoughts

The team has slightly below average D1 athleticism. With the exception of Garcia, the team basketball skill level is well below average for a D1 program. Most especially shooting. Maybe 2 or 3 players max who exhibit even a semblance of fundamental shooting technique. There was no discernible offense concept exhibited. We scored only when IU made a mistake and/or we made a really athletic move to get to the rim. Defense showed a lot of effort and there was some structure being applied. But the overall basketball IQ is pretty low and attention to detail is limited.

Not going to pile on, but the team exhibited all the factors associated with poor coaching / program management. My biggest concern is these are, for the most part, OLDER players. We don't even get any player development out of this year - these players will all be gone. This is an indictment of either poor scouting / recruiting or simply not having any money in the NIL era. But even without NIL, there are kids that I have seen in MN/WI high schools that would have far more potential to become serviceable D1 players than what we have on our roster. If we simply recruited them instead and had a program to develop them.

My final gripe. I have seen parts of a couple Gopher women's games. They, too, have some issues - almost the opposite of the men as theirs is more about athelism and less about basketball skills and IQ . But there is structure, purpose, effort and in game adjustments. It's clearly being lead by a coach who is knowledgeable, has a plan and the ability to implement it.

Such a stark contrast to the men's team.
 

I am former diehard, season ticket holder fan who does not follow it nearly as much any more as college sports morphs towards being nothing more than minor league professional sports. (One of my pet peeve is simply trying to figure out if a game is on TV and what channel!)

I watched last night - because frankly there was nothing better on. First time all season. My thoughts

The team has slightly below average D1 athleticism. With the exception of Garcia, the team basketball skill level is well below average for a D1 program. Most especially shooting. Maybe 2 or 3 players max who exhibit even a semblance of fundamental shooting technique. There was no discernible offense concept exhibited. We scored only when IU made a mistake and/or we made a really athletic move to get to the rim. Defense showed a lot of effort and there was some structure being applied. But the overall basketball IQ is pretty low and attention to detail is limited.

Not going to pile on, but the team exhibited all the factors associated with poor coaching / program management. My biggest concern is these are, for the most part, OLDER players. We don't even get any player development out of this year - these players will all be gone. This is an indictment of either poor scouting / recruiting or simply not having any money in the NIL era. But even without NIL, there are kids that I have seen in MN/WI high schools that would have far more potential to become serviceable D1 players than what we have on our roster. If we simply recruited them instead and had a program to develop them.

My final gripe. I have seen parts of a couple Gopher women's games. They, too, have some issues - almost the opposite of the men as theirs is more about athelism and less about basketball skills and IQ . But there is structure, purpose, effort and in game adjustments. It's clearly being lead by a coach who is knowledgeable, has a plan and the ability to implement it.

Such a stark contrast to the men's team.
This is the easiest team to defend at this level that I have seen. Pressure the guards high, they won't burn you for overplaying and they will burn the shot clock, dribbling. If the ball gets to Garcia, shade one or two other players to him- he very likely will shoot anyway if he can and is not looking to pass unless he has to. If he happens to pass the other guys can't hit open shots. The only player that cuts to the basket is Fox. So that has to be optional/ free lance.
 




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