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Think someone that went to the VIP practice mentioned hip pointer, if I remember correctly.Femi hurt?
Think someone that went to the VIP practice mentioned hip pointer, if I remember correctly.Femi hurt?
The team doesn't look impressive to me. I think Christie is replaceable by a guy like Rigsby, but I really don't see replacements for Payne or Hawkins in terms of speed and athleticism. This will be a physically strong team. I hope Cochrane and Femi are difference makers.Patterson wasn't very impressive.
Frank is better than Payne just have to hope he recovers quickly. Hawkins was too little and our replacements will be net better than him from their defense. Christie replacement is the biggest question mark, easily. He’d have been a deadly sophomore,The team doesn't look impressive to me. I think Christie is replaceable by a guy like Rigsby, but I really don't see replacements for Payne or Hawkins in terms of speed and athleticism. This will be a physically strong team. I hope Cochrane and Femi are difference makers.
Not worried about him one bit. Has actually proven himself against solid competition.Patterson wasn't very impressive.
Frank will be a better rebounder and passer than Payne. Payne had the ability to change things defensively that I doubt Frank does do to his height and Payne's vertical. Payne was an above the rim finisher and I don't see Frank doing that.Frank is better than Payne just have to hope he recovers quickly. Hawkins was too little and our replacements will be net better than him from their defense. Christie replacement is the biggest question mark, easily. He’d have been a deadly sophomore,
Team looks pretty good if healthy. Probably better than last year, if I had to guess.
I don't think Rigsby can, or should be expected to replace Christie.As far as Christie, I am trying to see if we can match or better last year's team. I think Rigsby can do that as he is more versatile than Christie was last year. Of course Christie has more upside, just like Payne has more upside than Frank.
My thoughts after first look at Gophers:
Garcia, Mike Mitchell, and Rigsby entrenched as starters. The other two spots (PG/wing & C) still TBD.
By the Big Ten opener @ Indiana, some combination of Asuma/Patterson/Odukale & Frank Mitchell/Edmonds will grab the other two spots.
There is more depth this year. Still TBD, will it be Big Ten quality depth?
Rigsby has looked good thusfar.My thoughts after first look at Gophers:
Garcia, Mike Mitchell, and Rigsby entrenched as starters. The other two spots (PG/wing & C) still TBD.
By the Big Ten opener @ Indiana, some combination of Asuma/Patterson/Odukale & Frank Mitchell/Edmonds will grab the other two spots.
There is more depth this year. Still TBD, will it be Big Ten quality depth?
I'm buying Odukale, as well. Possible they both start if Ben decides to go with Mitchell at PG?Rigsby has looked good thusfar.
But once Odukale gets healthy, I think he'll have the inside track to start.
My guess would be a dislocated shoulder and we don’t see him play again until Jan 2nd
Yes, Coach Johnson mentioned that Femi was nursing a hip-pointer when I attended the Friday practice (open to members of Gopher Loyalty Program, Golden Dunkers and Dinkytown Athletes)Think someone that went to the VIP practice mentioned hip pointer, if I remember correctly.
Would that really keep him out 2 months?My guess would be a dislocated shoulder and we don’t see him play again until Jan 2nd
Would that really keep him out 2 months?
according to the internet, which is never wrong, minimum recovery time for a simple dislocation is 4 to 6 weeks - but it can also run anywhere from 12 to 16 weeks depending on the severity.
so it could be 2 months but possibly as long as 4 months - meaning a return by the end of December or end of February.
I watched Daniel Oturu dislocated shoulder against Michigan came out and finished the gameInteresting, so he could miss 1 to 4 months. Great stuff as always
Yikes.according to the internet, which is never wrong, minimum recovery time for a simple dislocation is 4 to 6 weeks - but it can also run anywhere from 12 to 16 weeks depending on the severity.
so it could be 2 months but possibly as long as 4 months - meaning a return by the end of December or end of February.
So you like Ike?My thoughts after first look at Gophers:
Garcia, Mike Mitchell, and Rigsby entrenched as starters. The other two spots (PG/wing & C) still TBD.
By the Big Ten opener @ Indiana, some combination of Asuma/Patterson/Odukale & Frank Mitchell/Edmonds will grab the other two spots.
There is more depth this year. Still TBD, will it be Big Ten quality depth?
I’m gu there’s different grades to itaccording to the internet, which is never wrong, minimum recovery time for a simple dislocation is 4 to 6 weeks - but it can also run anywhere from 12 to 16 weeks depending on the severity.
so it could be 2 months but possibly as long as 4 months - meaning a return by the end of December or end of February.
Haha, my impressions of him and his tenure are pretty much the opposite.I think Coach Johnson can draw up a solid offense, but ironically he cannot recruit elite athletes to play at UMN
Presence.So you like Ike?
What stood out to you about him?
Thanks for the in depth recap.Some things that jumped out to me for those who didn't watch:
Rigsby: Most impressed with him. Nice stroke, quick, and springy. He belongs at this level. He made threes, mid-range, and a dunk. He had a monster block, too.
- Gophs starting five jumped out to something like a 16-0 lead, then Frank Mitchell got hurt, and Ben did a Tubby Smith line change.
- Ben gave a ton of run to the deep bench, so take the score with a grain of salt.
Patterson: He was very "meh," but I realize he's a proven gamer at this level (or close to it at Charlotte). It was a little concerning that he couldn't get by his defender with the ball. It sounds like he's been banged up; he probably just needs to find some rhythm.
Fox: He looks more athletic this year. He played the same kind of game we are accustomed to. He had a dunk where I didn't think it was even a possibility, and he easily hammered it down over a few defenders.
Betts: He looks the same to me as he did last year. I wish it weren't the case, but I don't see him getting many minutes when the BIG schedule starts.
Asuma: He doesn't try to do too much, which is a good thing as a freshman who'll likely play a good amount (the other end of the spectrum is Jaden Henley, who tried to score every time he touched the ball). I thought he let the game come to him nicely and was much more of a factor in the second half. He was playing with the second unit in the first half, and I think he will excel with better players around him. I was a little concerned about his on-the-ball defense at times. a DIII athlete shouldn't be blowing by him.
Edmonds: He's that guy other teams are going to hate. Active defensively always, has a good nose for the ball, and rebounds well. He won't dazzle offensively, but he will have a role, especially if Big Frank misses some time.
Depth: The depth is unlike anything we've experienced under a BJ team. I think the core is:
Throw Cohcrane and Odukale into the mix; you have ten trustworthy guys.
- Garcia
- F Mitchell
- M Mitchell
- Rigsby
- Patterson
- Fox
- Edmonds
- Asuma
I expect the offense to stall regularly this season, so I hope Ben leans into a defensive identity, uses his depth, and can be a Top 25 Kempom defensive efficiency-type team. We're not going to win many track meets...
They pressed against Hamline and reaped a few turnovers from it. I hope this is something they incorporate regularly.
I plan to steal all of that infomation and pretend I know basketball.Some things that jumped out to me for those who didn't watch:
Rigsby: Most impressed with him. Nice stroke, quick, and springy. He belongs at this level. He made threes, mid-range, and a dunk. He had a monster block, too.
- Gophs starting five jumped out to something like a 16-0 lead, then Frank Mitchell got hurt, and Ben did a Tubby Smith line change.
- Ben gave a ton of run to the deep bench, so take the score with a grain of salt.
Patterson: He was very "meh," but I realize he's a proven gamer at this level (or close to it at Charlotte). It was a little concerning that he couldn't get by his defender with the ball. It sounds like he's been banged up; he probably just needs to find some rhythm.
Fox: He looks more athletic this year. He played the same kind of game we are accustomed to. He had a dunk where I didn't think it was even a possibility, and he easily hammered it down over a few defenders.
Betts: He looks the same to me as he did last year. I wish it weren't the case, but I don't see him getting many minutes when the BIG schedule starts.
Asuma: He doesn't try to do too much, which is a good thing as a freshman who'll likely play a good amount (the other end of the spectrum is Jaden Henley, who tried to score every time he touched the ball). I thought he let the game come to him nicely and was much more of a factor in the second half. He was playing with the second unit in the first half, and I think he will excel with better players around him. I was a little concerned about his on-the-ball defense at times. a DIII athlete shouldn't be blowing by him.
Edmonds: He's that guy other teams are going to hate. Active defensively always, has a good nose for the ball, and rebounds well. He won't dazzle offensively, but he will have a role, especially if Big Frank misses some time.
Depth: The depth is unlike anything we've experienced under a BJ team. I think the core is:
Throw Cohcrane and Odukale into the mix; you have ten trustworthy guys.
- Garcia
- F Mitchell
- M Mitchell
- Rigsby
- Patterson
- Fox
- Edmonds
- Asuma
I expect the offense to stall regularly this season, so I hope Ben leans into a defensive identity, uses his depth, and can be a Top 25 Kempom defensive efficiency-type team. We're not going to win many track meets...
They pressed against Hamline and reaped a few turnovers from it. I hope this is something they incorporate regularly.
You're more optimistic about what you saw than I am. I hope you're right and I am wrong. I don't see the depth that you are talking about. There are basically three guys who pose a concern on offense in Garcia, Rigsby, and M Mitchell. The rest are either junkyard dogs or unproven (Asuma). When Garcia comes out the offense is going to stagnate as there is no inside-out presence for opponents to be concerned about. With F Mitchell hurt, there is no rebounding and even with F Mitchell healthy we are going to be out rebounded most nights. Also, our bigs cannot make freethrows so them getting to the line will be a liability to the offense. Yes, we have 10 guys we can put on the court, but those 10 guys aren't elite in any area of the game (other than Garcia). I see this team as similar to the blue collar Penn State teams from the 20 teens. I just don't have optimism for a successful season.Some things that jumped out to me for those who didn't watch:
Rigsby: Most impressed with him. Nice stroke, quick, and springy. He belongs at this level. He made threes, mid-range, and a dunk. He had a monster block, too.
- Gophs starting five jumped out to something like a 16-0 lead, then Frank Mitchell got hurt, and Ben did a Tubby Smith line change.
- Ben gave a ton of run to the deep bench, so take the score with a grain of salt.
Patterson: He was very "meh," but I realize he's a proven gamer at this level (or close to it at Charlotte). It was a little concerning that he couldn't get by his defender with the ball. It sounds like he's been banged up; he probably just needs to find some rhythm.
Fox: He looks more athletic this year. He played the same kind of game we are accustomed to. He had a dunk where I didn't think it was even a possibility, and he easily hammered it down over a few defenders.
Betts: He looks the same to me as he did last year. I wish it weren't the case, but I don't see him getting many minutes when the BIG schedule starts.
Asuma: He doesn't try to do too much, which is a good thing as a freshman who'll likely play a good amount (the other end of the spectrum is Jaden Henley, who tried to score every time he touched the ball). I thought he let the game come to him nicely and was much more of a factor in the second half. He was playing with the second unit in the first half, and I think he will excel with better players around him. I was a little concerned about his on-the-ball defense at times. a DIII athlete shouldn't be blowing by him.
Edmonds: He's that guy other teams are going to hate. Active defensively always, has a good nose for the ball, and rebounds well. He won't dazzle offensively, but he will have a role, especially if Big Frank misses some time.
Depth: The depth is unlike anything we've experienced under a BJ team. I think the core is:
Throw Cohcrane and Odukale into the mix; you have ten trustworthy guys.
- Garcia
- F Mitchell
- M Mitchell
- Rigsby
- Patterson
- Fox
- Edmonds
- Asuma
I expect the offense to stall regularly this season, so I hope Ben leans into a defensive identity, uses his depth, and can be a Top 25 Kempom defensive efficiency-type team. We're not going to win many track meets...
They pressed against Hamline and reaped a few turnovers from it. I hope this is something they incorporate regularly.
I just stated what I saw (the good and the bad).You're more optimistic about what you saw than I am. I hope you're right and I am wrong. I don't see the depth that you are talking about. There are basically three guys who pose a concern on offense in Garcia, Rigsby, and M Mitchell. The rest are either junkyard dogs or unproven (Asuma). When Garcia comes out the offense is going to stagnate as there is no inside-out presence for opponents to be concerned about. With F Mitchell hurt, there is no rebounding and even with F Mitchell healthy we are going to be out rebounded most nights. Also, our bigs cannot make freethrows so them getting to the line will be a liability to the offense. Yes, we have 10 guys we can put on the court, but those 10 guys aren't elite in any area of the game (other than Garcia). I see this team as similar to the blue collar Penn State teams from the 20 teens. I just don't have optimism for a successful season.
Like I said, I hope you're right.
Patterson averaged 15 ppg in a good conference last season, on decent efficiency. He may need some time to get up to speed but will be a quality offensive threat for us.There are basically three guys who pose a concern on offense in Garcia, Rigsby, and M Mitchell.