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cjbfbp said:
Indeed it does. To those who say that Pitino should be given another year because everyone knew this would be a rebuilding year, I ask: Should a Minnesota coach (especially one with little successful history) be given a pass to field a team this bad even in a rebuilding year?
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I was of the mind Pitino should get another year no matter how this year plays out. Now I have some doubt about that.

Still plenty of time to improve this year but what amount of conference wins will it take for Pitino to be guaranteed another year? 6? Hard to say at this point.
 


You can't win with freshman unless your Duke or KY.

Have patience

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Cayman said:
Making a high percentage of free throws is less important than hitting 3's, hitting field goals, and getting to the line a lot. Obviously it matters, but there are other factors which matter more.
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Do you not realize that this is a pointless distinction? Do you think it matters to a retiree whose social security check represents 1/3rd of his income that those funds are not the major source of his support? The final score does not differentiate among the sources of points.
 


Gopherbbdude said:
You can't win with freshman unless your Duke or KY. Have patience Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
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You should be able to win the majority of your games against mid-majors though. You are or atleast should be recruiting big ten athletes after all.
 

scools12 said:
I was of the mind Pitino should get another year no matter how this year plays out. Now I have some doubt about that.

Still plenty of time to improve this year but what amount of conference wins will it take for Pitino to be guaranteed another year? 6? Hard to say at this point.
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Need an AD to make a coaching change. If you hire an AD and he/she is attached to some slam dunk hire, then maybe something happens this year. I think he's pretty safe for next year almost regardless of record.
 

It's very hard to see this team right now winning 6 conference games.
 




EG#9 said:
Need an AD to make a coaching change. If you hire an AD and he/she is attached to some slam dunk hire, then maybe something happens this year. I think he's pretty safe for next year almost regardless of record.
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You're probably right that he is safe for another year.
 

This board has two groups of people. Those who want Gopher coaches gone at the first sign of trouble and those who will ride the titanic down to the bottom of the ocean because "we need to give them more time".
 


Gopher2017 said:
This board has two groups of people. Those who want Gopher coaches gone at the first sign of trouble and those who will ride the titanic down to the bottom of the ocean because "we need to give them more time".
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This isn't the "first" sign of trouble.
 




Just too many guys who didn't contribute much when they got on the floor in any aspect of the game. Buggs and Konate are the 2 big ones to me. Neither did much if anything on the offensive end, they each had a few turnovers, and both were awful on the defensive end. Mason being in foul trouble definitely hurt as he is one of the more steady contributors. Even looking at Morris who had 20+ points, he had some real bad turnovers, missed some very good looks in taking probably the most shots on the floor, and wasn't very good at all on the defensive end. The bright spot for me was Murphy again and McBrayers play in the 2nd half when he played more aggressive. Looking forward to guys like Coffey, Curry, Hurt, Lynch, and Fitzgerald next year as most already look like upgrades over guys they will be replacing.
 

EG#9 said:
Need an AD to make a coaching change.
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How do you know that? Other "acting" ADs have hired coaches. Can you point to somewhere in the administrative rules where a permanent AD must be in office to make a coaching change? I suspect if the top administrators in the university (and maybe the governing board) wanted it to be done, it could be done.
 

Goldy Gopher said:
Just too many guys who didn't contribute much when they got on the floor in any aspect of the game. Buggs and Konate are the 2 big ones to me. Neither did much if anything on the offensive end, they each had a few turnovers, and both were awful on the defensive end. Mason being in foul trouble definitely hurt as he is one of the more steady contributors. Even looking at Morris who had 20+ points, he had some real bad turnovers, missed some very good looks in taking probably the most shots on the floor, and wasn't very good at all on the defensive end. The bright spot for me was Murphy again and McBrayers play in the 2nd half when he played more aggressive. Looking forward to guys like Coffey, Curry, Hurt, Lynch, and Fitzgerald next year as most already look like upgrades over guys they will be replacing.
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Buggs with 23 minutes, no points and 1 rebound. Really could have used Dorsey tonight also. Jordan Johnson was too much.
 



GophersInIowa said:
I don't think so. Don't see the freshman averaging 60 minutes a game next year.
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I expect them all to contribute and Coffey to probably start maybe not right away but at least by conference play. I think we could see Curry and Hurt as the primary backups at the SF and PF spot. The thing I really like about this class is they all have shown a very high basketball IQ and they are versatile guys who fill up the stat sheet which in most cases is something missing from the guys they will be replacing.
 

Wouldn't Coffey play as much as Murphy in his freshman season? I tend to think so. Move Mason to the 2 and let Coffey create.
 

Coffey will start out of the gate next year

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cjbfbp said:
Do you not realize that this is a pointless distinction? Do you think it matters to a retiree whose social security check represents 1/3rd of his income that those funds are not the major source of his support? The final score does not differentiate among the sources of points.
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In the average NBA game this season, a team will attempt 84.1 field goals and 23.4 free throws per game, which is about 3.5 field goal attempts for every free throw attempt. Then take into account that a made field goal is worth a little more than two times what a made free throw is worth (because some of those field goals are 3's), and I think it's fairly easy to see why free throw percentage is a less important factor than some others.

Five of the top 10 teams in free throw percentage last year in college finished with an overall record of .500 or below. From what I can tell only 7 of the top 25 free throw shooting teams made the tournament. Michigan State was in the bottom 15 in the country and made the Final Four. There are bad teams that are great at shooting free throws and great teams that are bad at shooting free throws.

I think it's just easy to harp on missed free throws because you can look at it and say "we missed this shot, but we could/should have made it," where giving up a back door cut for an easy layup or dunk is effectively the same as missing two free throws, in that you end up 2 points down in either situation. It's better to hit 50% on field goals and 50% on free throws than 35% on field goals and 65% on free throws.

I think GW's original point, which was being mocked in the post I quoted, was that making a high percentage of free throws does not correlate to winning more games, which seems to be generally true. The NBA champions from 1994 to 2014 had an average ranking of 16.8 out of 30 teams in free throw percentage, so in the average NBA season, the champions will be a slightly below average free throw shooting team.

The 36 field goal attempts we missed tonight were probably more crucial than the 7 free throw attempts we missed.
 

Goldy Gopher said:
I expect them all to contribute and Coffey to probably start maybe not right away but at least by conference play. I think we could see Curry and Hurt as the primary backups at the SF and PF spot. The thing I really like about this class is they all have shown a very high basketball IQ and they are versatile guys who fill up the stat sheet which in most cases is something missing from the guys they will be replacing.
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I don't see Hurt contributing a lot next year. We have 6 regular contributors coming back (Buggs, Mason, Konate, McBrayer, Murphy and Dorsey), two transfers who will play and Coffey. That is 9 guys without mentioning Curry and Hunt. I just don't see enough minutes available for Curry and Hunt to both play significant minutes.
 

Offense is not creating a lot of opportunities right now, not a horrible game though, they got quite a few stops in key situations in both the first and second half they just couldn't convert on the offensive end, I think they are improving though.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I don't see Hurt contributing a lot next year. We have 6 regular contributors coming back (Buggs, Mason, Konate, McBrayer, Murphy and Dorsey), two transfers who will play and Coffey. That is 9 guys without mentioning Curry and Hunt. I just don't see enough minutes available for Curry and Hunt to both play significant minutes.
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Agree that Hurt might not play, but I definitely see Curry playing a lot backup to Murphy
 

If you are going to ask fans to sit patiently through a crap season in the name of rebuilding, you sure as heck better at least be willing to go out and give your best effort all night every night. Disappointing that this team doesn't care enough to try hard from start to finish, but that was a pathetic effort tonight.
 

howeda7 said:
+1. Even the 06-07 team had fired Monson and was playing hard for Coach Mo by now. I think it's the least interested I've ever been.
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Just going to sit back and hope the effort and players improve. That's the great thing about the Big Ten, even if the Gophers aren't good we still get to see highly talented and-or high quality teams visit Williams Arena. Looking forward to seeing MSU, Purdue, Maryland, Indiana, Michigan, and even Northwestern visit this season.
 

Morris scored over 20 and is still clearly the worst player on the team. His missed shots and inability to defend put us down 8 to start the game. Coach needs to move on from the seniors. Play Joey as the 6th man and bench Carlos. Play the underclassmen. Every minute he puts in to a senior is a waste since the team is going no where this year and the seniors don't show leadership. Joey cannot rebound and Morris and Joey cannot play defense. Morris is the definition of a selfish player.
 

Cayman said:
I think GW's original point, which was being mocked in the post I quoted, was that making a high percentage of free throws does not correlate to winning more games, which seems to be generally true. The NBA champions from 1994 to 2014 had an average ranking of 16.8 out of 30 teams in free throw percentage, so in the average NBA season, the champions will be a slightly below average free throw shooting team.
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I understand correlation. I have 15 credits of doctoral level statistics and research methods in my educational background. GW's statement was idiotic and he deserves to be mocked. Ceteris paribus, free throw shooting matters. Weak free throw shooting teams who are successful have other significant strengths; good free throw shooting teams who aren't successful are diminished by other weaknesses. GW (and you) appear to understand just enough to have confidence in your own foolishness. As I recall, a similar simplistic analysis years ago on NBA data revealed that turnover rate wasn't correlated that much with winning percentage. Are you going to argue with a straight face that turnovers don't matter?
 

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