Northwestern’s motion to dismiss the wrongful termination lawsuit brought by former coach Pat Fitzgerald was denied today, Fitz seeking $130MM.

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Some guy said:
Woah. What if the coach of the team in the story settled with the university and the university in the settlement was allowed to say hazing occurred?
Would that change your opinion?

What if the story you posted the university was allowed to publicly say occurred on the coaches watch? Would that reflect poorly upon the coach?


Because that’s what happened at northwestern
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You don’t know what happened at Northwestern. I don’t know. The players know. They give conflicting reports.

What I do know is it in terms of criminal-level hazing was ascertained to be mostly BS or unprovable by law enforcement or college investigators - or as reported or known about by the head coach or assistant coaches. If NU had reports of hazing he’d be gone for cause. Period. They don’t.

You can choose to not believe it, and maybe you’re 100% right and Fitz orchestrated the whole quasi-homosexual hazing ring agenda. I tend to dismiss most of it but I could be wrong, or I could be right. I tend to disbelieve the stories as presented. That’s my opinion. I don’t have subpoena or discovery or the might of the court of law on my side.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
You don’t know what happened at Northwestern. I don’t know. The players know. They give conflicting reports.
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Well the statement allows northwestern to say hazing occurred
Pompous Elitist said:
What I do know is it was ascertained to be mostly BS or unprovable by law enforcement or college investigators as reported or known about by the head coach. If NU had reports of hazing he’d be gone for cause. Period. They don’t.
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Well the settlement allows them to say hazing occurred
Pompous Elitist said:
You can choose to not believe it, and maybe you’re 100% right and Fitz orchestrated the whole quasi-homosexual hazing ring agenda. I tend to dismiss most of it but I could be wrong, or I could be right. I tend to disbelieve the stories as presented. That’s my opinion. I don’t have subpoena or discovery or the might of the court of law on my side.
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Well the settlement allows them to say hazing occurred



No you don’t have discovery or subpoena
But you do have a brain. And your brain should realize the settlement allows northwestern to publicly say hazing occurred
 

Some guy said:
The university thinks hazing happened and allows fleck to keep his job?

I am shocked
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They could have very easily rolled over on Fleck and maybe would have if they were looking to unload him. He’s still in the good graces of Mr Coyle and the BOR.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
They could have very easily rolled over on Fleck and maybe would have if they were looking to unload him. Hes still in the good graces of Mr Coyle and the BOR.
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For sure. And the settlement allows northwestern to publicly state hazing occurred
 


Some guy said:
Well the statement allows northwestern to say hazing occurred

Well the settlement allows them to say hazing occurred

Well the settlement allows them to say hazing occurred



No you don’t have discovery or subpoena
But you do have a brain. And your brain should realize the settlement allows northwestern to publicly say hazing occurred
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You never say what hazing is, in your opinion.

Are there different levels, in your mind? Assault, for example. There’s verbal, and there’s knocking someone into a coma.

There wouldn’t be an employed teacher or coach or manager in the country if unfounded allegations get people fired. Get real man? You can’t possibly be serious with this stuff.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
You never say what hazing is, in your opinion.

Are there different levels, in your mind?
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Yes
Pompous Elitist said:
Assault, for example. There’s verbal, and there’s knocking someone into a coma.

There wouldn’t be an employed teacher or coach or manager in the country if unfounded allegations get people fired. Get real man? You can’t possibly be serious with this stuff.
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The settlement with Fitzgerald allows northwestern the publicly state hazing occurred. Apparently whatever occurred was enough for Fitzgerald to make a settlement that allowed northwestern to publicly state hazing occurred.

Your problems seems to be with fitzgerald and his lawyers not me
 

Some guy said:
Well the statement allows northwestern to say hazing occurred

Well the settlement allows them to say hazing occurred

Well the settlement allows them to say hazing occurred



No you don’t have discovery or subpoena
But you do have a brain. And your brain should realize the settlement allows northwestern to publicly say hazing occurred
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A normal person would say with typical ***hole-level hazing as occurs in MANY organizations to this very day would say, don’t let it happen again. Warning, slap on the hand.

If it was criminal-level as alleged, he’d be gone for cause.

Use your brain.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
A normal person would say with typical ***hole-level hazing as occurs in MANY organizations to this very day would say, don’t let it happen again. Warning, slap on the hand.

If it was criminal-level as alleged, he’d be gone for cause.

Use your brain.
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Well he agreed to let northwestern publicly state hazing occurred in his settlement

I’ll try to use my brain though.
My brain tells me that hazing occurred based on the fact Fitzgerald agreed to let northwestern say hazing occurred
 



Some guy said:
Yes

The settlement with Fitzgerald allows northwestern the publicly state hazing occurred. Apparently whatever occurred was enough for Fitzgerald to make a settlement that allowed northwestern to publicly state hazing occurred.

Your problems seems to be with fitzgerald and his lawyers not me
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Why did they settle, then? I don’t get it. Explain to me with words.
 


Some guy said:
Well he agreed to let northwestern publicly state hazing occurred in his settlement

I’ll try to use my brain though.
My brain tells me that hazing occurred based on the fact Fitzgerald agreed to let northwestern say hazing occurred
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Hazing he was unaware of. It clearly wasn’t the publicized allegations as no charges for assault were ever made or followed up on.

People will sometimes sign statements they don’t wholly agree with if the alternative is a long and costly legal battle or the outcome is uncertain or there would be collateral damage to other people. That’s just life.
 

Some guy said:
Well he agreed to let northwestern publicly state hazing occurred in his settlement

I’ll try to use my brain though.
My brain tells me that hazing occurred based on the fact Fitzgerald agreed to let northwestern say hazing occurred
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Ok so now that it’s on tell me, do you believe Grant Norton?

Yes or no.
 



Pompous Elitist said:
Hazing he was unaware of. It clearly wasn’t the publicized allegations as no charges for assault were ever made or followed up on.
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Neither me nor northwestern ever claimed he was aware?
Pompous Elitist said:
People will sometimes sign statements they don’t wholly agree with if the alternative is a long and costly legal battle or the outcome is uncertain or there would be collateral damage to other people. That’s just life.
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Yeah. It’s pretty crazy to me that his whole reputation was at stake and rather than fight it he agreed to let northwestern publicly state hazing occurred in his program
 


Some guy said:
Neither me nor northwestern ever claimed he was aware?

Yeah. It’s pretty crazy to me that his whole reputation was at stake and rather than fight it he agreed to let northwestern publicly state hazing occurred in his program
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You and some very active on Twitter dumb college kids believe the allegations as stated.
 


Pompous Elitist said:
You and some very active on Twitter dumb college kids believe the allegations as stated.
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I dont really have an opinion on the allegations. But I do think it’s interesting Fitzgerald allows northwestern to publicly state hazing occurred in the settlement
 


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