No. 1 recruit AJ Dybantsa is expected to land an NIL package north of $3M and could get as high as $4M. BYU prepared to pay “4 to $4.5M"

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I mean every school is different obviously, but what is too much? If we payed a guy 4.5 million, what would that get us? Maybe making the Ncaa and winning a game! Now maybe if you get guy like that talent will follow, but what is too much? Right now Is the $20 million paying off for Ohio State on the football field? Too early to tell, but is all that money worth it? Maybe Ohio State wins it all and it is worth it, but they would probably be in same spot right now without spending $20 million in NIL. Getting out of vontrol. I would hate to be a coach these days!
 

gophereric30 said:
I mean every school is different obviously, but what is too much? If we payed a guy 4.5 million, what would that get us? Maybe making the Ncaa and winning a game! Now maybe if you get guy like that talent will follow, but what is too much? Right now Is the $20 million paying off for Ohio State on the football field? Too early to tell, but is all that money worth it? Maybe Ohio State wins it all and it is worth it, but they would probably be in same spot right now without spending $20 million in NIL. Getting out of vontrol. I would hate to be a coach these days!
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For me, there are a lot of risks in paying one guy $3 or $4 or $5 million dollars.
Basketball is a team game. Pretty hard to be a band of brothers when one guy makes
so much more than all the other guys. How do you discipline this guy? What if he's just uninterested in anything but getting paid...unwilling to listen or buy in?
What if he gets hurt?
Of course, it could work, too. They could win.
Going to take the right coach to harmonize the team. And if it doesn't work...they probably fire the coach :)
Then there is the pressure on an 18 year old to perform at $4,000,000 levels.
 


How do we know he is not the least paid guy in the league? Took advantage of these guys for years ever since TV started shipping in money, now the bill has come due.
 

It's pretty easy to make the argument that unrestricted movement and NIL are the right thing to do for college athletes given how much money they bring into the universities, etc. But my interest in college athletics and basketball in particular has never been lower as a result. With outrageous ticket prices, seat licenses, half the games against non-competitive opponents, and now the need to pay players on top of that just to compete marginally.....hard to justify a season ticket in the current climate. I respect those that continue to support this program financially. It would be hard for me to do so even if lived back in Minnesota.
 

Curious about the thought process of everybody here. You have to make a choice of 2 players. I know we don’t want to HAVE to pick one or the other but, I’d love to know who most folks on this board would choose.

An absolute stud who is capable of carrying a team to a Final 4, who is only here for the money. If somebody had offered him more, he’d be there instead of here. Has a Player of the Year season, but as soon as the season is over, he’s gone, barely acknowledges his time here, never to be heard from again.

Or

A player like Parker Fox, who lives, breathes and bleeds Gophers, who’s ceiling is probably a nice, solid player on a middle of the road team that MAY be good enough to reach the tournament, but will be a popular, well-liked & positive lifetime ambassador for Gophers athletics.
 

Chico Gopher said:
Curious about the thought process of everybody here. You have to make a choice of 2 players. I know we don’t want to HAVE to pick one or the other but, I’d love to know who most folks on this board would choose.

An absolute stud who is capable of carrying a team to a Final 4, who is only here for the money. If somebody had offered him more, he’d be there instead of here. Has a Player of the Year season, but as soon as the season is over, he’s gone, barely acknowledges his time here, never to be heard from again.

Or

A player like Parker Fox, who lives, breathes and bleeds Gophers, who’s ceiling is probably a nice, solid player on a middle of the road team that MAY be good enough to reach the tournament, but will be a popular, well-liked & positive lifetime ambassador for Gophers athletics.
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Depends on how important you consider winning I guess
 



golfing18now said:
It's pretty easy to make the argument that unrestricted movement and NIL are the right thing to do for college athletes given how much money they bring into the universities, etc. But my interest in college athletics and basketball in particular has never been lower as a result. With outrageous ticket prices, seat licenses, half the games against non-competitive opponents, and now the need to pay players on top of that just to compete marginally.....hard to justify a season ticket in the current climate. I respect those that continue to support this program financially. It would be hard for me to do so even if lived back in Minnesota.
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In fairness this program and university are doing all they can to make those games competitive.
 


60's Guy said:
For me, there are a lot of risks in paying one guy $3 or $4 or $5 million dollars.
Basketball is a team game. Pretty hard to be a band of brothers when one guy makes
so much more than all the other guys. How do you discipline this guy? What if he's just uninterested in anything but getting paid...unwilling to listen or buy in?
What if he gets hurt?
Of course, it could work, too. They could win.
Going to take the right coach to harmonize the team. And if it doesn't work...they probably fire the coach :)
Then there is the pressure on an 18 year old to perform at $4,000,000 levels.
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On the contrary, there is very little pressure on a kid getting $4 million from an overhanging tree branch. He doesn't care any more than he would if you gave him $40,000.
 

golfing18now said:
It's pretty easy to make the argument that unrestricted movement and NIL are the right thing to do for college athletes given how much money they bring into the universities, etc. But my interest in college athletics and basketball in particular has never been lower as a result. With outrageous ticket prices, seat licenses, half the games against non-competitive opponents, and now the need to pay players on top of that just to compete marginally.....hard to justify a season ticket in the current climate. I respect those that continue to support this program financially. It would be hard for me to do so even if lived back in Minnesota.
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Free portal, yes. But there is no connection between NIL and money the players bring in to the University. It would all make some sense if players were being paid by the university out of TV proceeds. But outside NIL money with no regulation is absurd.

Personally, I am always heartened when the occassional story pops up about a player getting stiffed on what he thinks he was promised. Good life lessons there.
 



Chico Gopher said:
Curious about the thought process of everybody here. You have to make a choice of 2 players. I know we don’t want to HAVE to pick one or the other but, I’d love to know who most folks on this board would choose.

An absolute stud who is capable of carrying a team to a Final 4, who is only here for the money. If somebody had offered him more, he’d be there instead of here. Has a Player of the Year season, but as soon as the season is over, he’s gone, barely acknowledges his time here, never to be heard from again.

Or

A player like Parker Fox, who lives, breathes and bleeds Gophers, who’s ceiling is probably a nice, solid player on a middle of the road team that MAY be good enough to reach the tournament, but will be a popular, well-liked & positive lifetime ambassador for Gophers athletics.
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Not a hard question. Parker Fox embodies everything you want for your basketball program. Cam Christy left very little impression.
 

Chico Gopher said:
Curious about the thought process of everybody here. You have to make a choice of 2 players. I know we don’t want to HAVE to pick one or the other but, I’d love to know who most folks on this board would choose.

An absolute stud who is capable of carrying a team to a Final 4, who is only here for the money. If somebody had offered him more, he’d be there instead of here. Has a Player of the Year season, but as soon as the season is over, he’s gone, barely acknowledges his time here, never to be heard from again.

Or

A player like Parker Fox, who lives, breathes and bleeds Gophers, who’s ceiling is probably a nice, solid player on a middle of the road team that MAY be good enough to reach the tournament, but will be a popular, well-liked & positive lifetime ambassador for Gophers athletics.
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I'd take the $4 mil guy contingent upon the team accomplishing (insert whatever stipulation you want to set here). Give $500,000 up front, pay the rest when said stipulation is met.
 

Chico Gopher said:
Curious about the thought process of everybody here. You have to make a choice of 2 players. I know we don’t want to HAVE to pick one or the other but, I’d love to know who most folks on this board would choose.

An absolute stud who is capable of carrying a team to a Final 4, who is only here for the money. If somebody had offered him more, he’d be there instead of here. Has a Player of the Year season, but as soon as the season is over, he’s gone, barely acknowledges his time here, never to be heard from again.

Or

A player like Parker Fox, who lives, breathes and bleeds Gophers, who’s ceiling is probably a nice, solid player on a middle of the road team that MAY be good enough to reach the tournament, but will be a popular, well-liked & positive lifetime ambassador for Gophers athletics.
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If Option A allows us to finish ahead of wisconsin for the first time since 1997 (not a typo) then give me Option A. We've had a ton of guys who enjoy Dinkytown, proudly wear the M, etc., but not nearly enough guys who can get us ahead of wisconsin in the Big Ten.

Go Gophers!!
 

Dakota2 said:
Free portal, yes. But there is no connection between NIL and money the players bring in to the University. It would all make some sense if players were being paid by the university out of TV proceeds. But outside NIL money with no regulation is absurd.

Personally, I am always heartened when the occassional story pops up about a player getting stiffed on what he thinks he was promised. Good life lessons there.
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I've been saying the same thing! The thing you always hear is "the players are bringing in so much money to the universities and conferences, they should get a cut" but they aren't getting a cut, they are getting paid by donors and fans, not a "cut" of the profits they generate!
 

Dakota2 said:
Free portal, yes. But there is no connection between NIL and money the players bring in to the University. It would all make some sense if players were being paid by the university out of TV proceeds. But outside NIL money with no regulation is absurd.

Personally, I am always heartened when the occassional story pops up about a player getting stiffed on what he thinks he was promised. Good life lessons there.
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Why?
 

Ski-U-Ham said:
I'd take the $4 mil guy contingent upon the team accomplishing (insert whatever stipulation you want to set here). Give $500,000 up front, pay the rest when said stipulation is met.
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Why would he accept that deal?
 


Gophers1992 said:
Why?
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Sorry, didn't see what you highlighted.

It is unregulated, unofficial, not tied to revenues the program is earning featuring the athletes (TV), not dependable, and not conducive to promoting the college game. This hasn't come up much that I know of but how many players are being bought by gambling interests?
 

Chico Gopher said:
Curious about the thought process of everybody here. You have to make a choice of 2 players. I know we don’t want to HAVE to pick one or the other but, I’d love to know who most folks on this board would choose.

An absolute stud who is capable of carrying a team to a Final 4, who is only here for the money. If somebody had offered him more, he’d be there instead of here. Has a Player of the Year season, but as soon as the season is over, he’s gone, barely acknowledges his time here, never to be heard from again.

Or

A player like Parker Fox, who lives, breathes and bleeds Gophers, who’s ceiling is probably a nice, solid player on a middle of the road team that MAY be good enough to reach the tournament, but will be a popular, well-liked & positive lifetime ambassador for Gophers athletics.
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I think a factor in the answer is what are we doing? What's the purpose of athletics at Minnesota?
Are we raising good citizens, good family people like PJ professes when we lose or are we judging success on championships?
Can you do both? Maybe, but it's much harder. Not easy to win championships but you'd take the stud in a heartbeat if that was the focused priority of why you were here. NIL is a requirement if you are going to make championships the focus. Gopher athletics seems to be trying to do both, says they are trying to win championships and they are succeeding at developing good people but struggling to either get to .500 or rise much above it with competitive results.
 


Hmmmm... Would you be better off by giving $4,000,000 to one great player or by selectively giving $500,000 to 8 high level players?
 


Gopher-in-Keno said:
I've been saying the same thing! The thing you always hear is "the players are bringing in so much money to the universities and conferences, they should get a cut" but they aren't getting a cut, they are getting paid by donors and fans, not a "cut" of the profits they generate!
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Most of the time there isn’t really much profit so donors and fans is the best place for them to get it.
 

WoodburyTim said:
Most of the time there isn’t really much profit so donors and fans is the best place for them to get it.
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Each Big Ten school is receiving something like $80 million a year in TV revenues. Not enough to take care of the athletes being watched on TV?
 

Dakota2 said:
Each Big Ten school is receiving something like $80 million a year in TV revenues. Not enough to take care of the athletes being watched on TV?
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You are using business calculations. This isn’t a business like a traditional business. In a traditional business, every school would simply slash off the vast majority of their Athletic Departments that lose large amounts of money. If that is what you are proposing then that is different discussion. The numbers are widely available, most athletic departments don’t make money including ours from year to year.

But again if what you are saying is that the revenue sports guys shouldn’t have to share with everyone else, than that is legitimate argument to make.
 

WoodburyTim said:
You are using business calculations. This isn’t a business like a traditional business. In a traditional business, every school would simply slash off the vast majority of their Athletic Departments that lose large amounts of money. If that is what you are proposing then that is different discussion. The numbers are widely available, most athletic departments don’t make money including ours from year to year.

But again if what you are saying is that the revenue sports guys shouldn’t have to share with everyone else, than that is legitimate argument to make.
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That's probably true, the athletic department at the U as a whole doesn't have a huge profit. What about the NCAA? The Big Ten conference? There is money being made that isn't all being dumped into men's gymnastics!
 

gopherbadgerman said:
College hoops is for winning IMO
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Good honest answer! I personally would have a tough time getting invested or interested in a team with mercenaries, who don't care at all about the state, the fans, educational opportunities, or a little pride in being a Gopher; just so I get paid.

Of course, it's a little different if you transfer in mainly because you want to be in Minnesota, regardless of $$. It would be nice to have a winning team, but tough to have a connection with a constant flow of highly paid mercenaries. Feels like buying a trophy.

I will admit that with the other Minn. sports teams, I tend to root and connect with the players that have come up through the system or been traded for much more than the free agents that might come through.

Thanks for the reply!
 

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