Next Year

[ruppertflywheel]

NIT home games go to the higher seed

Are you sure that is the rule of the thumb? It seems to me that the Gophers during Clem's years when he went to the NIT they based it on who they thought would draw the best. Was Minnesota the higher seed when we played Oklahoma at the Target Center? Just asking.

 

[From the Barn]

The clem era is a long time ago.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

My biggest wish for next year (although I think it's a lost cause) is that Tubby will let this team play an up-tempo, open-court game. Against Nebraska, when this team started running, they looked like a different group - Chip and Rodney especially. I just think this team is best suited, physically and psychologically, to play up-tempo ball. Austin and Dre Hollins and Coleman also seem more suited for the open-court game.

I hope that Tubby will take the reins off, but I'm afraid that Tubby is just too damn stubborn to let the team play up-tempo, because then he couldn't call every play from the bench.

 

[bga1]

My biggest wish for next year (although I think it's a lost cause) is that Tubby will let this team play an up-tempo, open-court game. Against Nebraska, when this team started running, they looked like a different group - Chip and Rodney especially. I just think this team is best suited, physically and psychologically, to play up-tempo ball. Austin and Dre Hollins and Coleman also seem more suited for the open-court game.

I hope that Tubby will take the reins off, but I'm afraid that Tubby is just too damn stubborn to let the team play up-tempo, because then he couldn't call every play from the bench.

100%!!! This roster is built to run, it's not built for the plodding power game. The one qualifier that I do have to concede to Tubby on this issue is that you do have to rebound and outlet quickly in order to run. We had a hard time getting clean rebounds this year and certainly Mbakwe would have improved that situation. I think Tubby wanted to run this year (and promised we would) but his internal default is to slow it down and run a patient offense. I hope that changes.

 

[howieramone]

Ruppert, liked your analysis.

 

[howieramone]

Being strictly left handed is not Chip's problem. He's got to play better d and make free throws. Ingram were stuck with and he can't play. Welch is slow and makes careless turnovers. Austin Hollins can play and needs to tighten up his handle and play better d to be a possible all Big Ten player.Dre is the key to our backcourt and he has a great chance to the best all around guard we have had since Bobby Jackson. I sure hope we can at least be in that 10-8 range next season but I always think that.

+1

 

[Deleted_User]

More venom.

Well, was he wrong?

 

[Holy Man]

]100%!!! This roster is built to run, it's not built for the plodding power game. The one qualifier that I do have to concede to Tubby on this issue is that you do have to rebound and outlet quickly in order to run. We had a hard time getting clean rebounds this year and certainly Mbakwe would have improved that situation. I think Tubby wanted to run this year (and promised we would) but his internal default is to slow it down and run a patient offense. I hope that changes.

Yes! Someone gets it! To run, you have to rebound, and rebound very well. MSU runs like crazy because they have bruisers underneath who dominate the boards. If we had a guy or two like that, the rest of the team is built to run, and it possibly could be done. Perhaps a 10-11 rebound/game guy would help. Perhaps a player like that Mbwake kid. Defense in the B1G is designed to stop running, so the style is easier said then done. I can't read the coach's mind, but I don't think he pulls the reins in on running. This team did not rebound well enough to run a lot. Nebraska was practically the only team in the league weaker than the Gophers in the middle. Thus, the running game looks good against a crappy rebounding team. Mo and EE could make a difference next year in the running game.

 

[Whathavewedone]

100%!!! This roster is built to run, it's not built for the plodding power game. The one qualifier that I do have to concede to Tubby on this issue is that you do have to rebound and outlet quickly in order to run. We had a hard time getting clean rebounds this year and certainly Mbakwe would have improved that situation. I think Tubby wanted to run this year (and promised we would) but his internal default is to slow it down and run a patient offense. I hope that changes.

If 5 years here aren't enough to enlighten you, ask people in Kentucky about Tubby's empty threats to
run and play uptempo. Years ago they used to refer to that as a broken record.

 

[bga1]

If 5 years here aren't enough to enlighten you, ask people in Kentucky about Tubby's empty threats to
run and play uptempo. Years ago they used to refer to that as a broken record.

Thing is, Whathave, is that I'm a Gopher fan. So while I've done plenty of complaining about what I've seen, I don't think it's helpful to the program for us to abandon the current coach. I have been a strong advocate that things need to change. The reality is that Tubby is probably going to be here and we need him to succeed.

 

[howieramone]

Thing is, Whathave, is that I'm a Gopher fan. So while I've done plenty of complaining about what I've seen, I don't think it's helpful to the program for us to abandon the current coach. I have been a strong advocate that things need to change. The reality is that Tubby is probably going to be here and we need him to succeed.

I would add I have no confidence in the mid-major flavor of the day. Tubby and next year's squad give us the best chance to win now. I, like
others on this board, do not accept mediocrity. I expect to be dancing next year and contend the next two. No more excuses, it's time to win. When and if it's time for a coaching change, NO ONE NEEDS TO TELL ME.

 

[savagerube]

If 5 years here aren't enough to enlighten you, ask people in Kentucky about Tubby's empty threats to
run and play uptempo. Years ago they used to refer to that as a broken record.

So is complaining about the head coach in every thread.

 

[zambam]

If 5 years here aren't enough to enlighten you, ask people in Kentucky about Tubby's empty threats to
run and play uptempo. Years ago they used to refer to that as a broken record.

You keep saying you're not here for vindication, but everything you say disagrees.

 

[station19]

Are you sure that is the rule of the thumb? It seems to me that the Gophers during Clem's years when he went to the NIT they based it on who they thought would draw the best. Was Minnesota the higher seed when we played Oklahoma at the Target Center? Just asking.

That's the way it was back in Clem's day. Now they seed teams and the higher seed gets the home court. I believe this changed when the NCAA bought out the NIT in 2005.

 

[lewiscountybrarhopper]

And when all you have is the hope that the coach loses his job, all you have is complaining and bitching.

Most people would agree that those who want tubby gone have the best interest of the team at heart. Whether their opinion is misguided or not could be debated, but their intentions can not.
There is no doubt that many of those who want tubby to stay could also have the best interest of the team at heart, but on the other hand it's probably not true in >>>every<<< case. Donna no doubt wants Tubby to keep working and can post on here under any user name; so can Saul, Tubby's assistant coaches, fans of rival teams, etc. On the UK board it was a known fact that everyone else in the SEC wanted Tubby to stay at UK. So did Duke fans, NC fans, etc. During Tubby's tenure NC gained a lot of ground on UK in all time wins. If he had stayed until now, NC would no doubt have passed UK in all time wins.
No doubt most Tubby fans honestly believe that his being at UM is good for the school but I'd bet a dollar against a donut that some of the other schools in your conference who are doing well with Tubby where he's at are posting on this forum. For all anyone knows, you may be Saul Smith.

Tubby at UK:
*Set the school record for consecutive years (9) not appearing in the Final Four
*First coach to have 2 consecutive 10+ loss seasons.
*First coach to have 3 consecutive 10+ loss seasons.
*First coach to have 5 10+ loss seasons.
*First time failing to beat a ranked opponent since 1974.
*First time losing four straight to an SEC opponent since 1980.
*First time losing five straight to an SEC opponent since 1977.
*First time ever losing six straight to an SEC opponent.
*More Home losses than any UK coach
*First season sweep by Vanderbilt in 32 years.
*First time since 1974 losing 4 straight to Vanderbilt and only the second time in UK history.
*First loss to Ole Miss in Lexington since 1927.
*First (and only) coach to have 4 SEC losses in one year in Rupp Arena.
*Most losses over a two year period (outside of probation) in UK history
*Worst home loss since 1992 (105-88 to Arkansas).
*Worst loss to Indiana ever (26 points)
*Worst Senior Day loss since 1919.
*First third place SEC finish since expansion.
*First fourth place SEC finish since expansion.
*First time going an entire regular season without beating a ranked opponent since 1974.
*First and Second time UK played on the opening day of the SEC Tournament since the league split into divisional play (1992).
*First time since 1936 not getting to the SEC tourney finals in consecutive years.
*First time since the NCAA tourney was expanded to 64 teams in 1984 that UK did not get past the second round in consecutive seasons.
*First time since the NCAA tourney was expanded to 64 teams in 1984 that UK did not get past the second round in 3 out of 4 seasons.
*First coach never to have either an athletic or academic All-American.
*Worst number of weeks having a team ranked #1 (1).
*First time (except probation) UK finished back to back seasons unranked since 1959-1961 (46 years).
*47% of players do not see their Senior year at UK.
*Fewest NBA draft picks of any coach with at least 5 years (only 2 1st rounders in 10 years)

Tubby could not maintain what was handed to him practically on a silver platter and left UK's big shirtails in tatters, then bailed. To think he can build a program is unrealistic. I know this post will enrage Tubby's staunchest defenders but everything I have stated is factual. Some people can't handle the truth.

 

[Gold Vision]

5 years and 2 coaches.

 

[scher215]

Most people would agree that those who want tubby gone have the best interest of the team at heart. Whether their opinion is misguided or not could be debated, but their intentions can not.
There is no doubt that many of those who want tubby to stay could also have the best interest of the team at heart, but on the other hand it's probably not true in >>>every<<< case. Donna no doubt wants Tubby to keep working and can post on here under any user name; so can Saul, Tubby's assistant coaches, fans of rival teams, etc. On the UK board it was a known fact that everyone else in the SEC wanted Tubby to stay at UK. So did Duke fans, NC fans, etc. During Tubby's tenure NC gained a lot of ground on UK in all time wins. If he had stayed until now, NC would no doubt have passed UK in all time wins.
No doubt most Tubby fans honestly believe that his being at UM is good for the school but I'd bet a dollar against a donut that some of the other schools in your conference who are doing well with Tubby where he's at are posting on this forum. For all anyone knows, you may be Saul Smith.

Tubby at UK:
*Set the school record for consecutive years (9) not appearing in the Final Four
*First coach to have 2 consecutive 10+ loss seasons.
*First coach to have 3 consecutive 10+ loss seasons.
*First coach to have 5 10+ loss seasons.
*First time failing to beat a ranked opponent since 1974.
*First time losing four straight to an SEC opponent since 1980.
*First time losing five straight to an SEC opponent since 1977.
*First time ever losing six straight to an SEC opponent.
*More Home losses than any UK coach
*First season sweep by Vanderbilt in 32 years.
*First time since 1974 losing 4 straight to Vanderbilt and only the second time in UK history.
*First loss to Ole Miss in Lexington since 1927.
*First (and only) coach to have 4 SEC losses in one year in Rupp Arena.
*Most losses over a two year period (outside of probation) in UK history
*Worst home loss since 1992 (105-88 to Arkansas).
*Worst loss to Indiana ever (26 points)
*Worst Senior Day loss since 1919.
*First third place SEC finish since expansion.
*First fourth place SEC finish since expansion.
*First time going an entire regular season without beating a ranked opponent since 1974.
*First and Second time UK played on the opening day of the SEC Tournament since the league split into divisional play (1992).
*First time since 1936 not getting to the SEC tourney finals in consecutive years.
*First time since the NCAA tourney was expanded to 64 teams in 1984 that UK did not get past the second round in consecutive seasons.
*First time since the NCAA tourney was expanded to 64 teams in 1984 that UK did not get past the second round in 3 out of 4 seasons.
*First coach never to have either an athletic or academic All-American.
*Worst number of weeks having a team ranked #1 (1).
*First time (except probation) UK finished back to back seasons unranked since 1959-1961 (46 years).
*47% of players do not see their Senior year at UK.
*Fewest NBA draft picks of any coach with at least 5 years (only 2 1st rounders in 10 years)

Tubby could not maintain what was handed to him practically on a silver platter and left UK's big shirtails in tatters, then bailed. To think he can build a program is unrealistic. I know this post will enrage Tubby's staunchest defenders but everything I have stated is factual. Some people can't handle the truth.

We've seen that list, and pretty much this identical post, 8 million times.

If your goal is to deliver breaking news here, you are about 5 years too late.

 

[Moses87]

Didn't they just celebrate Mbakwe's "Senior Day"? I find it really hard to believe a 24 year old who graduated would even want to come back for a 6th year, especially when you consider him having a child and not being wealthy.

Next year:

C- Eliason
PF-Walker
SF-Williams
SG-Austin Hollins
PG-Welch

Andre, Joe and Chip will all play plenty of minutes...Oto will spell Walker and Rodney...Looks kinda thin up front...

 

[lewiscountybrarhopper]

5 years and 2 coaches.

Are you talking about Gilespie? If so, he seemed like a good hire and I personally don't blame the AD. He had built two programs and would probably have done well at some place like UM just as he did at his previous places of employment. That was no knock on UM as most everyone knows the pressure on UK coaches to hang banners in Rupp can be unbearable. Gillespie apparently was not equipped to handle that pressure and a little known drinking problem became an acute drinking problem along with a seemingly unstable mental state.

 

[fan of Ray Williams]

We've seen that list, and pretty much this identical post, 8 million times.

If your goal is to deliver breaking news here, you are about 5 years too late.

10 posts and he's put it up at least 2 times, but as he says, he's "not here trolling". Dynasty Defenders must be slow today.

 

[Gold Vision]

Are you talking about Gilespie? If so, he seemed like a good hire and I personally don't blame the AD. He had built two programs and would probably have done well at some place like UM just as he did at his previous places of employment. That was no knock on UM as most everyone knows the pressure on UK coaches to hang banners in Rupp can be unbearable. Gillespie apparently was not equipped to handle that pressure and a little known drinking problem became an acute drinking problem along with a seemingly unstable mental state.

I'm not talking about Gillespie.

 

[scher215]

Are you talking about Gilespie? If so, he seemed like a good hire and I personally don't blame the AD. He had built two programs and would probably have done well at some place like UM just as he did at his previous places of employment. That was no knock on UM as most everyone knows the pressure on UK coaches to hang banners in Rupp can be unbearable. Gillespie apparently was not equipped to handle that pressure and a little known drinking problem became an acute drinking problem along with a seemingly unstable mental state.

So Gillespie failed at UK. Yet you have numerous excuses for him about pressure, a drinking problem, etc. and say he'd do a great job anywhere else. Tubby had more success than Gillespie at UK, lasted longer, hung a banner in Rupp, and went undefeated in the SEC yet he is a complete failure who has alway been a bad coach and will never succeed anywhere.

Got it. Your logic is flawless.

 

[From the Barn]

I'm sure the relative lack of draft picks has nothing to do with fewer rounds in the NBA draft than during the tenures of many kentucky coaches, and the foreign influx of draft picks, and high school draft picks.


Odd stat to choose.

 

[savagerube]

Most people would agree that those who want tubby gone have the best interest of the team at heart. Whether their opinion is misguided or not could be debated, but their intentions can not.
There is no doubt that many of those who want tubby to stay could also have the best interest of the team at heart, but on the other hand it's probably not true in >>>every<<< case. Donna no doubt wants Tubby to keep working and can post on here under any user name; so can Saul, Tubby's assistant coaches, fans of rival teams, etc. On the UK board it was a known fact that everyone else in the SEC wanted Tubby to stay at UK. So did Duke fans, NC fans, etc. During Tubby's tenure NC gained a lot of ground on UK in all time wins. If he had stayed until now, NC would no doubt have passed UK in all time wins.
No doubt most Tubby fans honestly believe that his being at UM is good for the school but I'd bet a dollar against a donut that some of the other schools in your conference who are doing well with Tubby where he's at are posting on this forum. For all anyone knows, you may be Saul Smith.

Tubby at UK:
*Set the school record for consecutive years (9) not appearing in the Final Four
*First coach to have 2 consecutive 10+ loss seasons.
*First coach to have 3 consecutive 10+ loss seasons.
*First coach to have 5 10+ loss seasons.
*First time failing to beat a ranked opponent since 1974.
*First time losing four straight to an SEC opponent since 1980.
*First time losing five straight to an SEC opponent since 1977.
*First time ever losing six straight to an SEC opponent.
*More Home losses than any UK coach
*First season sweep by Vanderbilt in 32 years.
*First time since 1974 losing 4 straight to Vanderbilt and only the second time in UK history.
*First loss to Ole Miss in Lexington since 1927.
*First (and only) coach to have 4 SEC losses in one year in Rupp Arena.
*Most losses over a two year period (outside of probation) in UK history
*Worst home loss since 1992 (105-88 to Arkansas).
*Worst loss to Indiana ever (26 points)
*Worst Senior Day loss since 1919.
*First third place SEC finish since expansion.
*First fourth place SEC finish since expansion.
*First time going an entire regular season without beating a ranked opponent since 1974.
*First and Second time UK played on the opening day of the SEC Tournament since the league split into divisional play (1992).
*First time since 1936 not getting to the SEC tourney finals in consecutive years.
*First time since the NCAA tourney was expanded to 64 teams in 1984 that UK did not get past the second round in consecutive seasons.
*First time since the NCAA tourney was expanded to 64 teams in 1984 that UK did not get past the second round in 3 out of 4 seasons.
*First coach never to have either an athletic or academic All-American.
*Worst number of weeks having a team ranked #1 (1).
*First time (except probation) UK finished back to back seasons unranked since 1959-1961 (46 years).
*47% of players do not see their Senior year at UK.
*Fewest NBA draft picks of any coach with at least 5 years (only 2 1st rounders in 10 years)

Tubby could not maintain what was handed to him practically on a silver platter and left UK's big shirtails in tatters, then bailed. To think he can build a program is unrealistic. I know this post will enrage Tubby's staunchest defenders but everything I have stated is factual. Some people can't handle the truth.

Did you set this up as your footer? Just wondering..

 

[Bayfieldgopher]

]100%!!! This roster is built to run, it's not built for the plodding power game. The one qualifier that I do have to concede to Tubby on this issue is that you do have to rebound and outlet quickly in order to run. We had a hard time getting clean rebounds this year and certainly Mbakwe would have improved that situation. I think Tubby wanted to run this year (and promised we would) but his internal default is to slow it down and run a patient offense. I hope that changes.

Yes! Someone gets it! To run, you have to rebound, and rebound very well. MSU runs like crazy because they have bruisers underneath who dominate the boards. If we had a guy or two like that, the rest of the team is built to run, and it possibly could be done. Perhaps a 10-11 rebound/game guy would help. Perhaps a player like that Mbwake kid. Defense in the B1G is designed to stop running, so the style is easier said then done. I can't read the coach's mind, but I don't think he pulls the reins in on running. This team did not rebound well enough to run a lot. Nebraska was practically the only team in the league weaker than the Gophers in the middle. Thus, the running game looks good against a crappy rebounding team. Mo and EE could make a difference next year in the running game.

Tubby's half court offense bugs me. My basketball make-up is to press, run, be agressive on offense and get to the FT line.

This squad has the parts to be a running team and put on a decent press. But one thing lacking besides the obvious need to rebound is the ability to make steals and create numbers on the break. We lost that when Al left and the stats show it.

 

[lewiscountybrarhopper]

So Gillespie failed at UK. Yet you have numerous excuses for him about pressure, a drinking problem, etc. and say he'd do a great job anywhere else. Tubby had more success than Gillespie at UK, lasted longer, hung a banner in Rupp, and went undefeated in the SEC yet he is a complete failure who has alway been a bad coach and will never succeed anywhere.

Got it. Your logic is flawless.

Actually, I never said that Tubby is a bad coach, he isn't. In my opinion he is very middle of the road, certainly not elite. UK made Tubby, not the other way around. Also, Gillispie's first two years at UK were very comparable to Tubby's last two years. Tubby's defenders often tout his winning 76% of games at UK but omit the fact that it was much higher in the early years than it was at the end.
I also did not realize that I made excuses for Gillispie. I meant to state the most popular opinion why most fans including myself felt like he failed at UK while not excusing his behavior. His past job performance up to that point would cause most to believe that he probably could have rebuilt another school so I meant to defend the AD. UK fans not only have high expectations, they also want interaction with the coach and Billy Clyde was a very private person. Who knows what came first, chronic alcoholism or failure but one seems the result of the other.
I am aware that I don't always express my thoughts very well.

 

[GophersInIowa]

Most people would agree that those who want tubby gone have the best interest of the team at heart. Whether their opinion is misguided or not could be debated, but their intentions can not.
There is no doubt that many of those who want tubby to stay could also have the best interest of the team at heart, but on the other hand it's probably not true in >>>every<<< case. Donna no doubt wants Tubby to keep working and can post on here under any user name; so can Saul, Tubby's assistant coaches, fans of rival teams, etc.

There are probably a few people on both sides of the argument that don't truly want what's best for the program. To say otherwise is ridiculous in my opinion. But yes, most people do ultimately want the program to succeed. Many of the people here who are discussing Tubby have been here for a long time. You think Saul or fans from of other teams disguised themselves as Gopher fans for several years in case a situation like this comes up and they can "defend" Tubby? Um, ok.

During Tubby's tenure NC gained a lot of ground on UK in all time wins.

Completely false. During Tubby's time at UK, Kentucky had 24 more wins than UNC.

For all anyone knows, you may be Saul Smith.

I suppose you believe that the moon landing was staged as well?

And before minngg or anyone else jumps on me for being a "Tubby apologist", I'm not even trying to defend him. But I had to respond to some of the ridiculous things in this post.

 

[CentralGopher]

Didn't they just celebrate Mbakwe's "Senior Day"? I find it really hard to believe a 24 year old who graduated would even want to come back for a 6th year, especially when you consider him having a child and not being wealthy.

Next year:

C- Eliason
PF-Walker
SF-Williams
SG-Austin Hollins
PG-Welch

Andre, Joe and Chip will all play plenty of minutes...Oto will spell Walker and Rodney...Looks kinda thin up front...

I would have to agree that we will be thin. Williams may alsto still be used to spell walker at times if needed and hopefully Ingram will get a few more minutes but probably nothing significant. Looks incredibly thin to me. Pray for no injuries. If we have a single one then Rodney would be back at the 4. If Mo is the 4 then who is EE's backup? Scary.

 

[GophersInIowa]

I would have to agree that we will be thin. Williams may alsto still be used to spell walker at times if needed and hopefully Ingram will get a few more minutes but probably nothing significant. Looks incredibly thin to me. Pray for no injuries. If we have a single one then Rodney would be back at the 4. If Mo is the 4 then who is EE's backup? Scary.

I could be wrong, but I think Mo will split time with EE at the 5 and Williams will continue to play the 4 spot most of the time. You might see Mo and EE in the game together once in awhile, but I don't think it will be a lot.

My ideal starting lineup next year would be:
C - Mo
PF - Williams
SF - Austin Hollins
SG - Welch
PG - Andre Hollins

When Andre Hollins rests, Welch slides over to the point.

 

[CentralGopher]

I could be wrong, but I think Mo will split time with EE at the 5 and Williams will continue to play the 4 spot most of the time. You might see Mo and EE in the game together once in awhile, but I don't think it will be a lot.

My ideal starting lineup next year would be:
C - Mo
PF - Williams
SF - Austin Hollins
SG - Welch
PG - Andre Hollins

When Andre Hollins rests, Welch slides over to the point.

That's kind of what I was thinking/hoping would happen too. Williams doesn't have much of an outside shot so having him at the 3 seems a little shaky to me. Seems like we will still be a little undersized in the paint again next year with williams and otto playing the 4. Maybe otto plays the 3 mainly next year. I think coleman likely starts at the 3 and Au. Hollins at the 2 though. Seems like we have a lot of interchangeable parts capable of playing multiple position next year. Is that a good thing or would it be better to have a more defined position for players?