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HavaGo4 said:
Get off the Les Miles and Mark Richt bandwagon. They are not coming to MN under any circumstance. Even if they are on the hotseat and might be out of a job next year. These guys are going to leave top SEC programs that are always in national title conversations to come coach our gophers. Come back to reality. Maturi got lucky once when Tubby Smith fell into his lap it is not going to happen again. The coach you want is a couple hours north of cities in Duluth. Maturi needs to lock him up right now.
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Yea. That would cause a bunch of excitement. A DII coach, right. How about Steve Johnson from Bethel. Yawn
 


josh087 said:
Why do people keep bringing up this argument? It makes no sense. The reason winning programs have consistency is because they are winning games, there is no need to change the current coaching regime. Teams that aren't winning games change coaches because they want to stop losing.

Do you really think keeping Mason for another 20 years would bring Minnesota to prominance after he already got 10 years? Would Brewster?

The reason the Gophers aren't winning isn't because we have shown the willingness to dump coaches before they reach Joe Paterno's current age.
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I think I've the one that has brought the concept of consistency to this board. As many DC's we went through Mason's years, that is not an example of consistency. In fact that is another example of what happens when you aren't consistent. You have a very bad unit that doesn't get time to develop under one system.

Does that help?
 

HavaGo4 said:
The coach you want is a couple hours north of cities in Duluth. Maturi needs to lock him up right now.
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Nice of you to register and post on Gopherhole this weekend, Mrs. Nielson. I'm sure your husband appreciates your support.

HavaGo4 said:
Get off the Les Miles and Mark Richt bandwagon. They are not coming to MN under any circumstance. Even if they are on the hotseat and might be out of a job next year. These guys are going to leave top SEC programs that are always in national title conversations to come coach our gophers. Come back to reality.
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I'm not saying Les Miles would willingly leave LSU to come here. I'm saying if LSU fires him, which they will if he loses 3 games this year, then he will be looking for work. The Big Ten (his home conference) makes a nice landing place for him. He just might be able to make it work, too.

I can think of only one other program who would have a basketball and football coach with a national title under their belt (Florida with Meyer and Donovan). We'd be the other with Tubby and Miles. I can't think of any more, but maybe there'd be another one or two.
 

monk10 said:
I think I've the one that has brought the concept of consistency to this board. As many DC's we went through Mason's years, that is not an example of consistency. In fact that is another example of what happens when you aren't consistent. You have a very bad unit that doesn't get time to develop under one system.

Does that help?
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Not really. How does hiring a guy like Sumlin only because he's been here for a year or two somehow offer some consistency, as was suggested earlier in this thread. I'm not opposed to hiring him, but only if he's the top candidate, not because his hiring would offer some sort of consistency (it wouldn't). In other words, if we fire Brewster, there is no need to go get a guy who's been here for the sake of being consistent. It is a bad cycle. It is tough to be consistent if you can't win, but it is tough to win if you aren't consistent. I think the winning has to come first, therefore you need to hit on the right coach and hope he stays around for awhile and keeps his staff in tact for awhile.

I totally understand the general point, however, that once you get a winning coach in place, let's keep him here and his staff here. Of course, that's how you maintain a winning program.
 


monk10 said:
I think I've the one that has brought the concept of consistency to this board. As many DC's we went through Mason's years, that is not an example of consistency. In fact that is another example of what happens when you aren't consistent. You have a very bad unit that doesn't get time to develop under one system.

Does that help?
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Not really. For every Norm Parker and Fran Ganter, there are hundreds of OCs and DCs that move on from successful programs all the time and the program keeps winning.

Sure, you'd like to have the same guys doing it for life if they are good, but since we are Minnesota, it makes it that much more likely that the OCs and DCs will leave for a better job once they are successful.
 

Here are a few other guys to keep in mind...

KC Keeler : HC Delaware. He has been a head coach for 17 years (Div. III Rowan and Division I-AA/FCS Delaware). In those 17 seasons, he has built a record of 152-60-1, including 7 NC appearances and two titles. The guy can obviously coach. The drawback is that he doesn't really have any ties to the midwest and he's never coached upper level (Division 1 BCS) football. He also is famous for a no-huddle spread offense (think Gus Malzahn's offense at Auburn with more passing).

Sean McDonnell: HC New Hampshire. He is in the middle of his 11th season at Delaware. He has built them into a powerhouse in the FCS. They play Division 1 BCS teams almost every year and have turned out some good results.
 

Two pages and no one has mentioned Paul Chryst? You guys don't know your own AD at all.

Les Miles? Mark Richt? Last time you hired, you had a new stadium to sell and ended up with a TE coach. Do you really think the TE coach falling flat on his face makes anyone think they really can win in Minnesota?

The Duluth guy is on line 2. Probably much, much more realistic then the names you guys have tossed around thus far.

Go find your Jim Tressel or Bo Ryan. Some guy who loves the state of Minnesota and has had a lot of success a lower levels. I don't know anything about the Duluth guy or anyone else across your state....but that would be a good scenario. And much, much more realistic than the names you mentioned. People don't want to go to the graveyard that is the Minnesota program unless they have no other options (Brewster) or they just love it (some guy like Tressel).
 

There's no need to take risks or enter into another four year rebuilding process. If they make a change, it will be to get a coach who coaches a similar scheme with proven national recruiting acumen, who has head coaching experience. look to the south FBS.

We have more talent than we had before, the cupboard is not bare. The next hire will be a no risk hire. Not a big shake up - new direction kind of a hire.
 



I still like the UMD hire. Not sure if he would even consider.. but you'd think he would.

Otherwise I may just hope that UMD goes D-1 and becomes the football powerhouse that we want the Gophs to be. Right now, they got just as good of a shot as the Gophs look to have.
 

Formo said:
I still like the UMD hire. Not sure if he would even consider.. but you'd think he would.

Otherwise I may just hope that UMD goes D-1 and becomes the football powerhouse that we want the Gophs to be. Right now, they got just as good of a shot as the Gophs look to have.
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That's apparent.

I would love to see a Minnesota team focusing on minnesota kids go D1. I think there's alot more talent here than given credit for.

And I for one, love coaches like the UMD coach. I'd be for it. But it's just not a necessary risk. I think the country now knows the UofM can be a player with the right coaching staff. If Brew did anything he showed kids would come here to play. plus we've got some talented kids.
 

Jim Grobe?! What the f#ck do you guys huff before you type this sh*t?! Yeah I would love it if we could get Harbaugh or Saban or Jesus f#cking Christ and all his armies of angels to coach here too! But I think they are busy... STOP f#cking deluding yourself into thinking we could ever get a coach to voluntarily leave a BCS AQ'd team for Minnesota even if he had credible evidence that there was an imminent f*cking nuclear attack on his goddamm stadium! We'll have a easier time getting Bernie Bierman to come out of retirement than to convince Jim Grobe to leave a school with every competitive advantage of Minnesota that lies a few short hours drive from his childhood home.

If we get June f#cking Jones or goddam Mike Leach I am going to f#cking go absolute ape sh*t. Another batsh%t spread offense enthusiast is just what this f*cking place needs. I'd love to see Mike Leach try to get his program installed a two day drive north of Texas. Getting lucky once in awhile in this league won't prove as easy without first dibs on the UT table scraps. And if I have to suffer through seeing one more short pass from an empty f*cking backfield on 3-and-less-than-a-godd@mn-yard-to-go I am going to gouge out Maturi's eyes.

UMD? Really? At least an FCS program has some semblance of national recruiting experience involved. And we need to worry only about the top MN kids. A program chock full of MN kids isn't going to cut it. Please stop pretending it will.


You lot of @ss clowns bitch about Maturi and this is the list you come up with?
 

post script.

Love Troy Calhoun too.

People don't leave their Alma Mater for $hit shows like this.
 



josh087 said:
Not really. For every Norm Parker and Fran Ganter, there are hundreds of OCs and DCs that move on from successful programs all the time and the program keeps winning.

Sure, you'd like to have the same guys doing it for life if they are good, but since we are Minnesota, it makes it that much more likely that the OCs and DCs will leave for a better job once they are successful.
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We have had DCs leave whether successful or not. I'm not sure I understand your qualification. My google skills fail me, so I can't look up Mason's DC's. But it is my memory that it felt like a coaching carousel, and I can't remember but maybe 1999 that we thought that unit was successful.

In Brew's first 4 years he lost 2 DC's to other programs, one was successful and one wasn't. We've lost 2 OC's - one we forced out, and one went on to pursue the NFL again. I wouldn't say we were successful on that side of the ball. Maybe I'm not thinking of the programs you are talking about, can you show me a successful program that loses its coordinators as often. I can't think of one that has lost them so quickly as we have. I can think of scenarios
 

Not so fast, my friend!

tap said:
This list of coaches really would really help recruiting-NOT. None have Minnesota ties except Sumlin and then we switch our offense again. What do winning programs have in common?

CONSISTENCY!!!!!!!!!!
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Another is GOOD COACHING! I'd be more inclined to think like you if I saw even a small inkling that things were improved and the players were being coached properly, but that is far from the case.

Why not bring Jim Harbaugh back to the Big 10. did you see what Stanford did to UCLA over the weekend. He gets my vote.
 

Badger_inohiovalley said:
Two pages and no one has mentioned Paul Chryst? You guys don't know your own AD at all.
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Chryst's name has been brought up about 6000 times in the last 48 hours in all kinds of different threads on this board.

Badger_inohiovalley said:
Les Miles? Mark Richt?
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No one is saying those guys would willingly leave their current gigs. However, there's a chance either or both will get fired at the end of the year. If that happens, then Minnesota could be a nice landing place, particularly for a Big Ten guy like Miles (went to Michigan, grew up in Ohio). Laugh all you want, but if he loses 3 games this year, he's gone and will want work. It could be here.
 

Mark Trestmen would be a good one. His contract in Montreal will be up at the end of this season. He has played in the Gray Cup the last two years and won last year. He could of had the job, but Maturi liked the used car saleman better.
 




Jagodzinski was mentioned in another thread. I think he'd be someone to consider.

Richt is a good coach and a stand-up guy, but he's a big-time Bible-thumper (which is no big deal to me either way), but that doesn't sell as well here as it does in the Deep South.

What about Bob Davie? He's been out of the game for awhile, but I didn't think he was that bad at Notre Dame.
 

Viperman69 said:
Yea. That would cause a bunch of excitement. A DII coach, right. How about Steve Johnson from Bethel. Yawn
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You just don't get it. It isn't about excitement and the buzz that a coach can generate. Do you remember Tim Brewster? This guy was going to save gopher football, take us to the Rose Bowl and recruit the next Vince Young. You need to find a coach who can win. Once you start winning games the excitement will come. The gophers need to hire someone with head coaching experience and who knows the state of MN as well as the midwest. The guy the who fills all the requirements is the Duluth coach.

He can be next Jim Tressel or Bo Ryan... these guys didn't generate much excitement when they were hired but they win games now. But what am I talking about, your right lets bring the circus to town and turn the program into a bigger joke than it already is. At least the coaching search will be exciting.

Anyone who thinks we need a big name to bring instant credibility and can recruit big names to come play for the U. Decker, Setterstrom, Speath, Eslinger, Barber, Utecht and the list goes on. All some of the top gophers in the past decade all from MN or close by.
 

tjgopher said:
Nice of you to register and post on Gopherhole this weekend, Mrs. Nielson. I'm sure your husband appreciates your support.


No relation to Nielson and I have only seen him coach once, when UMD won the National Title. Was at the game this weekend, fustration with Brewster peaked, checked out the gopherhole and read what people have been posting about the next coach. Not going to lie you have a lot of idiots on this board.

The guy can coach he has the ring and title to prove it. Hire him he is as good a candidate than any other name out there.
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Maturi misfired with Brew. He can't coach. I can't totally blame him for everything over the last 4 years. If guys can't tackle, and everybody who's played football in their life knows you practice tackling drills a lot, how is that Brew's problem. Our problem for well over a decade on defense has been piss poor tackling. If we could tackle, we'd probably still be with Mason. But that said, Mase needed to go for a lot of reasons. Now, unless Brew can prove himself with the remainder of the season (which I hope for but with this defense, I highly doubt), Joel better have an idea of candidates floating around in his head. Joel should've showed Patterson the money after he got rid of Glen. Instead, he went cheap. Tired of going after bargain coaches in our football program. Look at basketball. Clem, Monson and Tubby were solid choices. Although, we have a final four that never happened from Clem, he was gold here. Monson, at the time, was a hell of a get. And we all know Tubby is cash money!
So, where do we go? NOT with a spread offense! How about we find a coach that knows something about playing some defense as well as offense. Sure Mike Leach put up 40+ a game at TT. But up here in Big 10 country, it ain't gonna fly. Plus pretty much every time they played a good team, TT lost. So, why replace a coach that can't win big games with a coach that can't win big games. Sure, Mike got lucky every now and again, but I don't see us beating top tier teams with Leach. And keep dreaming if you think a SEC big name program coach comes here after being fired. That won't be happening. And getting UMD, or NDSU's coach won't cut it either. We won't get any recruits from outside of the upper plains.
So where does that leave us? Hopefully Brew and company can get something going this year. As expected, our offense is better and our defense is much worse. But we need to see improvement thru the season. This is the new low for the program. The coaching staff and players need to prove themselves here. If they can't, well, I don't know because we need a coach that will make sure defense and running the ball is key. Remember that phrase DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. When the Gophers get a top 25 defense, you'll see results. Until then, mid to lower half of the conference every year.
 

Mike Grant.

We could send a split squad to play Indiana and Illinois. Shut them out, and then have two weeks to prep for Nebraska.
 


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ come up with a lot of it before you start throwing around names of established coach's. Who will foot the bill. It's why Brewster is here now. Joel thought it would work on the cheap and it isn't working.
 

How to win games:
1. Score points
2. Play defense
3. Don't turn the ball over

2007: #1 check, #2 uh-oh, #3 damn 1-11
2008: #1 kind of until NW, #2 better but not great, #3 check 7-6
2009: #1 nope, #2 best in years, #3 too many for having no offense 6-7
2010: #1 check, #2 is it 2007 again? Didn't know Brew had a DeLorean. #3 too early to tell if Adrian Peterson has been coaching us on ball handling. 1-1 with who knows how many more losses to go after Saturday's wreck.
 

Dungy

Everyone says Dungy won't do it, won't come here, he's happy etc. Well, if things get bad enough would he consider it? He's all about helping kids succeed with his foundations, philanthropy, etc.
Why not try the college route for a little while and have a positive impact on some student athletes? Especially at his alma mater. I could see it happening with the proper contact and support from boosters and the community assuming he had some agreement just to come-in for 3-5 years at most. Just get us back on our feet and leave in good standing. He would add instant credibility and be able to recruit just about anyone.
 

Told myself I'd stay away from here for a while, no dice.

It's time, it just is. This loss was unacceptable in 07' but palatable due to the unreal lack of speed we had then. Now is is just not ok.

So where do we go from here? Barring a unreal turnaround(Brew needs to beat both iowee and wisky, plus a top ranked OSU, PSU, or USC IMO to stay now)

I like some ideas here. Here's the deal: No big names are going to come here. Period.
Forget Leach/Miles/Richt/Sumlin. You are going to be stuck interviewing washed up candidates and green up and comers. I'm not sure which is worse.

There will be no money either, I just don't see the board of regents, the president, or the AD(who should not be making any more decisions ever again, but will) ponying up for a name coach. It's going to be the same amount that Brew got or less.

All that said, I think it has to be someone from an established program, with a formula that has worked in a similar situation. They still need to recruit at a quality level.

I'm inclined to go with a few names, I think Calhoun is a possibility, he'll leave AFA eventually.

I think the former Boise D-Coordinator Wilcox has some potential, he's going to get SEC recruiting ties this year with the Vols, I think the formula he was a part of at Boise could work out well here.

The 2 young killshots may be worth checking into. Heupel and Applewhite, probably Applewhite moreso. Though Heupel has more ties here. He grew up in SD loving Foggie.

I actually think the Linehan suggestion would be a great choice, provided he has enough ties left to find defensive coaches. He'd keep Horton here at O, is familiar with the city, and quite frankly though he failed as a head coach in the NFL, he may be better suited for college.

I'm frustrated, sad, anxious, and demoralized, and I'm an upbeat positive guy. TCF might get ugly this year, a plan needs to be made so that our next coach isn't hired 2 weeks before signing day.
God help us if Maturi screws this decision up.
 

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