Moving on...Streveler

[Bob_Loblaw]

The ratio is out of whack with MN this year ! Limegrover admitted it with the Iowa game ! All the good teams have a balance - Kill promised more balance in the recruitment

#1: There are plenty of good team without any balance. Auburn passed on less than 30% of their offensive plays.

#2: How do you know what coaches promise during recruiting? I keep hearing people make these outlandish claims of knowing what coaches are saying in these situations. It wouldn't make sense for him to make any of those kinds of promises and I REALLY doubt you'd be privy to such things.

 

[hungan1]

The ratio is out of whack with MN this year ! Limegrover admitted it with the Iowa game ! All the good teams have a balance - Kill promised more balance in the recruitment

IMHO, who cares so much about ratio. Play to the strengths of your assets and to whatever the opponent gives you. On some games, yeah maybe a 70/30 run/pass and others 50/50 or 40/60. Who cares in the end as long as we get Ws.

 

[atsgopher]

IMHO, who cares so much about ratio. Play to the strengths of your assets and to whatever the opponent gives you. On some games, yeah maybe a 70/30 run/pass and others 50/50 or 40/60. Who cares in the end as long as we get Ws.

You can probably go further and say that if 100% run works, then run 100% of the time. Granted that is not likely possible; but all things equal a 10 yd run is superior to a 10 yd pass.

 

[Ogie Ogilthorpe]

Yep. But half of GH thinks the Nelson transfer is no big deal and somehow we'll be better off w/o a junior QB who started 15+ games as an underclassman.

But yeah, I agree with you, people who argue that the Nelson loss isn't a big deal are being naïve.

There's a fairly substantial difference between not thinking we should just forfeit all the games in 2014 because the season is now a lost cause and thinking it's "no big deal".

IMO there are two things that are tough to disagree with that make the situation not that dismal;

- Nelson was less than a spectacular QB for much of the season
- there was not a Grand Canyon sized gap between the play of Nelson and Leidner in 2013

This hurts depth at a critical position. Not exactly a cause for throwing in the towel for next season.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

There's a fairly substantial difference between not thinking we should just forfeit all the games in 2014 because the season is now a lost cause and thinking it's "no big deal".

IMO there are two things that are tough to disagree with that make the situation not that dismal;

- Nelson was less than a spectacular QB for much of the season
- there was not a Grand Canyon sized gap between the play of Nelson and Leidner in 2013

This hurts depth at a critical position. Not exactly a cause for throwing in the towel for next season.

WTF are you talking about? No one on this site, even those of us who are acknowledging it is a big deal that Nelson left have ever talked about "throwing in the towel" or forfeiting games. I understand that you are using a completely unneeded form of hyperbole, but it's just awkward and weird.

I said, "it's a big loss" and you are talking about posters like myself throwing in the towel. Your points about Nelson and Leidner being similar are 100% irrelevant because they don't go to the issue. Even if you prefer Leidner to Nelson, losing the depth and experience at the position is a big blow. I shouldn't have to say this, but just for you, it's not a "we have no reason to even play next season" sort of blow, but it still stinks.

Your post made the argument into something it never was, by anyone. I haven't read any posts on here talking about how next season is now pointless.

 

[play hard]

You can probably go further and say that if 100% run works, then run 100% of the time. Granted that is not likely possible; but all things equal a 10 yd run is superior to a 10 yd pass.

It's easy to defend if you don't loosen up the D - did u watch Den wr win today mixing it up or how about MSU in the Rosebowl ! No qB wants to run and get beat up with concussions !

 

[DoubleB]

You can probably go further and say that if 100% run works, then run 100% of the time. Granted that is not likely possible; but all things equal a 10 yd run is superior to a 10 yd pass.

only disagree if you think the whole season rests with one game. As mentioned before by others, it is MHO that you have to work on your weaknesses while playing those non conference games that are suposed to be tune ups. if you look at this past year we were not ready for Iowa because we were one demenisional in the 4 prior games. We need to work on those things that later will benefit the team.

we could easily win by running the ball 100% of the time but that would not help develope the whole team.

 

[Ogie Ogilthorpe]

WTF are you talking about? No one on this site, even those of us who are acknowledging it is a big deal that Nelson left have ever talked about "throwing in the towel" or forfeiting games. I understand that you are using a completely unneeded form of hyperbole, but it's just awkward and weird.

I said, "it's a big loss" and you are talking about posters like myself throwing in the towel. Your points about Nelson and Leidner being similar are 100% irrelevant because they don't go to the issue. Even if you prefer Leidner to Nelson, losing the depth and experience at the position is a big blow. I shouldn't have to say this, but just for you, it's not a "we have no reason to even play next season" sort of blow, but it still stinks.

Your post made the argument into something it never was, by anyone. I haven't read any posts on here talking about how next season is now pointless.

wow.....

... Anyway, my point was, it's likely that in this case, as in many cases, there is some exaggeration (as evidenced above?) on both sides of the ledger. As I said, it's a blow to depth at a critical position and unexpected departures like this usually don't carry with it a positive perception. But in all reality, I think the position is probably just as strong, if not stronger, going into 2014 as it was entering 2013.

As far as how good Leidner is, who knows? He may not even be the starter for opening day. Safe to say, more than one QB will take a lot of snaps this season, if history is any indicator.

The actual ability to throw the football, at least in my opinion from what we've seen the last few years, is far from the top of the list in importance for Gopher QB characteristics. Command of the offense, leadership of the offensive unit, leadership of the TEAM, charisma, decision-making, et al are things that seem to be more important to the success of this team than the ability to throw the football. With another year in the system and spending the next 8-9 months of being the relatively unquestioned starter, maybe Leidner will prove to be a much better leader of this football team moving forward, who knows.

 

[Spoofin]

I have finally made sense of all this....

When Nelson was starter, Mitch was better.
When Mitch was starter, Nelson was better.
When Nelson left he got worse, but so did Mitch by becoming the starter.
Streveler became the backup and therefore better than Mitch.
If Streveler wins the starting job he will become worse and Mitch will become better.

It took me a while, but it all makes sense now.

 

[Great Plains Gopher]

Yep. But half of GH thinks the Nelson transfer is no big deal and somehow we'll be better off w/o a junior QB who started 15+ games as an underclassman.

It is a big deal because it leaves us one injury away from having no experience at QB - not a good place to be.

 

[Fuzzy Rumpton]

I have finally made sense of all this....

When Nelson was starter, Mitch was better.
When Mitch was starter, Nelson was better.
When Nelson left he got worse, but so did Mitch by becoming the starter.
Streveler became the backup and therefore better than Mitch.
If Streveler wins the starting job he will become worse and Mitch will become better.

It took me a while, but it all makes sense now.

Absolutely spot on!