Movies that hold up vs. those that don't

upon further review - realized I left one of my favorite movies off my list

The Count of Monte Cristo (1934). adapted from a really long novel by Alexandre Dumas.

in a nutshell- a man is falsely accused of treason and sent to prison. after many years, he escapes and sets out to get revenge on the people who framed him. but his revenge is very clever - he doesn't set out just to kill them, but to expose them and ruin their good names, the way his name was ruined.

the movie cuts out a lot of minor characters and sub-plots from the book, which (I think) makes a better movie because the pace just zips along.

side note - in the movie "V for Vendetta," 'Monte Cristo' is the movie that V watches with Evie in his lair.
 


Since there don't seem to be many fans of the genre on here (1992?), I'll tackle the Horror films:

* I'm omitting "The Exorcist", "Jaws" and "Alien" as they are universally revered as royalty in the genre.

* I'm also omitting the classic horror icon monster movies like Frankenstein, Dracula, Wolfman, Mummy, Invisible Man and the Creature from the Black Lagoon.

* The "Friday the 13th", "Halloween" and "Nightmare on Elm Street" franchises brought us iconic horror villains but none of the individual films make my personal Top 10.

* I consider "Silence of the Lambs", "Se7en" and "Psycho" as dramatic "thrillers" rather than true horror films.

1. "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" (1974) - Widely considered as the goriest film of all time, there is actually very little blood shown in the entire movie. When Leatherface slams the metal butcher's door closed, your imagination is all the gore you'll ever need as to what happens next. Director Tobe Hooper would later go on to direct "Poltergeist" but this film is what got me started - and kept me - as a lifelong fan of the Horror genre.

2. "The Evil Dead" (1981) - Directed by Sam Raimi who was eventually tabbed to direct the first Marvel "Spiderman" movie, the film is based on a book by H.P. Lovecraft called "Necronomicon", also known as "Book of the Dead". Resurrected by the reading of ancient Sumerian text, demons slowly take over the souls of four (4) unfortunate guests in an isolated cabin in the woods. What could go wrong? The pencil scene still scars my memories to this day and the vine seen in the woods would get Raimi in quite a bit of trouble before the studio allowed it in the movie.

3. "Hellraiser" (1987) - Nobody is more demented than Clive Barker and he introduces us to Pinhead and the Cenobites. They are summoned by the opening of an ancient puzzle box with ties to hell and they only have one goal in my mind - torture the person that opened the box for eternity. The origins of Pinhead and the Cenobites are revealed later in a sequel and how they became what they are is even more horrifying.

4. "The Devil's Rejects" (2005) - Rob Zombie's follow-up to "House of a Thousand Corpses" might be the most underappreciated horror film ever made. The Firefly family terrorizes anyone and everyone without discrimination and their characters are very well developed. The cast is widely made up of "B" movie actors but it's so well written and disturbing that you'd swear they aren't really acting. No monsters...just people...and they are terrifying. This is a "must see" movie for those not familiar with it.

5. "The Thing" (1982) -John Carpenter, Kurt Russell, Wilford Brimley and a shape-shifting alien uncovered by Norwegian scientists drilling in the icepack...how can you go wrong??? The special effects at the time blew me away and the ever-morphing monster can be anyone, or anything, in the film. When Russell's character is testing the blood, I still darn near poop myself every time.

6. "Hereditary" (2018) - Sometimes, things passed down from generation to generation are not always welcomed with open arms. The writing and acting performances for a horror flick are insanely good. I can't say much without giving away the movie, but I will say that it has two (2) of the most memorable death scenes ever on film. For me, this is easily the best horror movie produced in the last 15 years.

7. "Sinister" (2012) - I'm biased on this film because I love Ethan Hawke's work, but this movie absolutely creeps the eff out of me and I was always surprised it didn't get more fanfare from moviegoers. In a sense, it's based on a series of "snuff" films that a writer stumbles upon. Seeking inspiration for another hit book, he starts researching the authenticity of the films and their origins. IMO, this is another "must see" movie even if you're not a big fan of the genre.

8. "Cloverfield" (2008) - This film nudges out "Blair Witch Project" as the best of all the found footage films for me. It's basically a love story at its core...with a pissed off, enormous creature having a very bad day on Earth. It's a young cast with relatively unknowns at the time like Lizzy Caplan and T.J. Miller and they don't disappoint. You have no idea what's attacking NYC until about 2/3 of the way into the movie and the wait is well worth it.

9. "28 Days Later" (2002) - Yes...the great Cillian Murphy's first big break was in a zombie movie. Even back then, you just knew the dude was destined for a bright acting future as he captivates the screen. Murphy's character awakes from a coma to find out a virus has wiped out humanity and created flesh-eating people infected with a "rage" virus intended only for lab animals. This is the first zombie movie that I recall where they are fast, mobile and athletic. This is what "World War Z" was intended to be.

10. "Minnesota vs. Michigan Football" (2003) The Gophers were 6-0, ranked #13 in the Coaches Poll and #17 in the AP Poll, and hosting the Michigan Wolverines. Behind a monstrous rushing attack, they led 28-7 going into the fourth quarter. Then Michigan outscored them 31-7 in the final quarter of play to complete a stunning 38-35 comeback victory. It was so horrifying...so diabolical...so demented...so terrifying, that I've never been able to watch it again. True horror.

Fun Fact: The 1980 Italian horror film, Cannibal Holocaust, was banned in over 140 countries worldwide. The movie is a Documentary-style film about students that travel to the Amazon to study the indigenous tribes of the area. The scenes were so graphic and realistic that the Director was charged with murder by the Italian Government and faced life in prison because all of the actors had been sequestered during the promotion and subsequent release of the film. It wasn't until the actors appeared in court proving they were still alive that the murder charges were eventually dropped. I watched the film 30 years ago and I would not recommend eating while enjoying the flick.
 

Since there don't seem to be many fans of the genre on here (1992?), I'll tackle the Horror films:

* I'm omitting "The Exorcist", "Jaws" and "Alien" as they are universally revered as royalty in the genre.

* I'm also omitting the classic horror icon monster movies like Frankenstein, Dracula, Wolfman, Mummy, Invisible Man and the Creature from the Black Lagoon.

* The "Friday the 13th", "Halloween" and "Nightmare on Elm Street" franchises brought us iconic horror villains but none of the individual films make my personal Top 10.

* I consider "Silence of the Lambs", "Se7en" and "Psycho" as dramatic "thrillers" rather than true horror films.

1. "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" (1974) - Widely considered as the goriest film of all time, there is actually very little blood shown in the entire movie. When Leatherface slams the metal butcher's door closed, your imagination is all the gore you'll ever need as to what happens next. Director Tobe Hooper would later go on to direct "Poltergeist" but this film is what got me started - and kept me - as a lifelong fan of the Horror genre.

2. "The Evil Dead" (1981) - Directed by Sam Raimi who was eventually tabbed to direct the first Marvel "Spiderman" movie, the film is based on a book by H.P. Lovecraft called "Necronomicon", also known as "Book of the Dead". Resurrected by the reading of ancient Sumerian text, demons slowly take over the souls of four (4) unfortunate guests in an isolated cabin in the woods. What could go wrong? The pencil scene still scars my memories to this day and the vine seen in the woods would get Raimi in quite a bit of trouble before the studio allowed it in the movie.

3. "Hellraiser" (1987) - Nobody is more demented than Clive Barker and he introduces us to Pinhead and the Cenobites. They are summoned by the opening of an ancient puzzle box with ties to hell and they only have one goal in my mind - torture the person that opened the box for eternity. The origins of Pinhead and the Cenobites are revealed later in a sequel and how they became what they are is even more horrifying.

4. "The Devil's Rejects" (2005) - Rob Zombie's follow-up to "House of a Thousand Corpses" might be the most underappreciated horror film ever made. The Firefly family terrorizes anyone and everyone without discrimination and their characters are very well developed. The cast is widely made up of "B" movie actors but it's so well written and disturbing that you'd swear they aren't really acting. No monsters...just people...and they are terrifying. This is a "must see" movie for those not familiar with it.

5. "The Thing" (1982) -John Carpenter, Kurt Russell, Wilford Brimley and a shape-shifting alien uncovered by Norwegian scientists drilling in the icepack...how can you go wrong??? The special effects at the time blew me away and the ever-morphing monster can be anyone, or anything, in the film. When Russell's character is testing the blood, I still darn near poop myself every time.

6. "Hereditary" (2018) - Sometimes, things passed down from generation to generation are not always welcomed with open arms. The writing and acting performances for a horror flick are insanely good. I can't say much without giving away the movie, but I will say that it has two (2) of the most memorable death scenes ever on film. For me, this is easily the best horror movie produced in the last 15 years.

7. "Sinister" (2012) - I'm biased on this film because I love Ethan Hawke's work, but this movie absolutely creeps the eff out of me and I was always surprised it didn't get more fanfare from moviegoers. In a sense, it's based on a series of "snuff" films that a writer stumbles upon. Seeking inspiration for another hit book, he starts researching the authenticity of the films and their origins. IMO, this is another "must see" movie even if you're not a big fan of the genre.

8. "Cloverfield" (2008) - This film nudges out "Blair Witch Project" as the best of all the found footage films for me. It's basically a love story at its core...with a pissed off, enormous creature having a very bad day on Earth. It's a young cast with relatively unknowns at the time like Lizzy Caplan and T.J. Miller and they don't disappoint. You have no idea what's attacking NYC until about 2/3 of the way into the movie and the wait is well worth it.

9. "28 Days Later" (2002) - Yes...the great Cillian Murphy's first big break was in a zombie movie. Even back then, you just knew the dude was destined for a bright acting future as he captivates the screen. Murphy's character awakes from a coma to find out a virus has wiped out humanity and created flesh-eating people infected with a "rage" virus intended only for lab animals. This is the first zombie movie that I recall where they are fast, mobile and athletic. This is what "World War Z" was intended to be.

10. "Minnesota vs. Michigan Football" (2003) The Gophers were 6-0, ranked #13 in the Coaches Poll and #17 in the AP Poll, and hosting the Michigan Wolverines. Behind a monstrous rushing attack, they led 28-7 going into the fourth quarter. Then Michigan outscored them 31-7 in the final quarter of play to complete a stunning 38-35 comeback victory. It was so horrifying...so diabolical...so demented...so terrifying, that I've never been able to watch it again. True horror.

Fun Fact: The 1980 Italian horror film, Cannibal Holocaust, was banned in over 140 countries worldwide. The movie is a Documentary-style film about students that travel to the Amazon to study the indigenous tribes of the area. The scenes were so graphic and realistic that the Director was charged with murder by the Italian Government and faced life in prison because all of the actors had been sequestered during the promotion and subsequent release of the film. It wasn't until the actors appeared in court proving they were still alive that the murder charges were eventually dropped. I watched the film 30 years ago and I would not recommend eating while enjoying the flick.
I've never revisited #10 either, living through it once was horrifying enough. The sequel in 2005 for the Axe was nearly as terrifying.
 

I think the first "Halloween" movie is a near-perfect mix of horror and suspense. the sound track is a big element of what makes the movie work. and it was done on a really small budget.

for Halloween, I think all of the really bad sequels have made people forget just how good the original was.
 


One of my streaming services has a smattering of movies from the '70s/'80s that I had previously missed, which I'm really enjoying catching up with. Here's two of the more recent viewings I have something to share:
The Long Goodbye is Robert Altman's adaptation of Raymond Chandler's classic novel with Elliot Gould in the role of Philip Marlowe. It was a bit meandering at times and some quizzical turns in the movie, but it kept me engaged and ultimately I enjoyed it. Some interesting casting--Ball Four author Jim Bouton has a small but important role, Sterling Hayden once again showed why he's one of my favorite character actors, and if you like gratuitous nudity, Gould's friendly neighbors deliver time and again. It also made me wonder why Gould never became a bigger star--a little research showed that he was difficult on sets, even attempting to get Altman fired from M*A*S*H (along with Donald Sutherland), but then came back around to star in this movie and Nashville and of course, continues to work well into his 80's.

The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane was Jodie Foster's first headlining role in a movie and let me tell you--that movie's not getting made today! She plays a precocious 13 year old girl who is living alone in a quaint Maine town and being stalked by a creepy Martin Sheen and Sheen's mother. Maybe this movie (and book) made more sense in the '70s, but it was just a bizarre exercise of, "How is this happening/allowed/possible?" I had to pick up my jaw from the floor when a nude scene with Foster entered the fray--turns out the body double was Foster's older (21 years) sister, but nonetheless, a movie featuring a sex scene between a 13 year old character and a senior in high school is certainly a relic of a different time.
 

Re-watched The Apartment tonight and damned if I don’t think I’ll need to bump something from the Baker’s Dozen for this movie. I had forgotten how brilliant the whole movie is-directing, acting, screenplay-all of it. Mad Men’s spirit animal and Fred MacMurray in this movie makes Don Draper seem benevolent in comparison.
 

Instead of bumping off the Baker's Dozen, there's always the possibility of expansion.

I've been internally debating #s 14 - 20 on my list. As it stands not having either the Coen Brothers, Paul Thomas Anderson nor Quentin Tarantino just does not seem acceptable.
 

Instead of bumping off the Baker's Dozen, there's always the possibility of expansion.

I've been internally debating #s 14 - 20 on my list. As it stands not having either the Coen Brothers, Paul Thomas Anderson nor Quentin Tarantino just does not seem acceptable.
I like your thinking-of course, I will start sounding like Jim Boeheim around March Madness lobbying for an ever expanding field-hold on for Coolhand’s Baker Dozen squared! (169, if you don’t want to do the math 😎)
 



Re-watched The Apartment tonight and damned if I don’t think I’ll need to bump something from the Baker’s Dozen for this movie. I had forgotten how brilliant the whole movie is-directing, acting, screenplay-all of it. Mad Men’s spirit animal and Fred MacMurray in this movie makes Don Draper seem benevolent in comparison.
Yep I'm due for a rewatch. I think for people of our generation seeing McMurray and Shirley MacLaine in this was an absolute revelation.
 

Watched Lawrence of Arabia (again), or is it Aurens? My two favorite parts were when Omar Sharif is introduced into the movie and also when Anthony Quinn appears. Lawrence is certainly a troubled soul.
 

As a side gig I help out from time-to-time on reading new screenplays. As part of working on a new script someone is writing, I spent a few days watching suspense movies where the main scene plays out on an island that people can't leave.

"Girl with the Dragon Tatoo" was great to watch again - lots of hidden imagery carried through out the movie to add deeper meaning to the characters. For example, the smoking of cigarettes, when and by who.

On the other hand, I ended up being forced to sit through "Blink Twice". This was absolutely the worst movie I have ever seen. The opening minutes are bad, and it continually gets worse every minute, up until the end which sets new levels of ridiculous screenwriting. I'd rather watch replays of the 2nd half of Gophers vs Iowa than having to watch that movie again. Really bad...
 

Yep I'm due for a rewatch. I think for people of our generation seeing McMurray and Shirley MacLaine in this was an absolute revelation.
Not only the stars--you'll also see Larry Tate from Bewitched, Mr. Hand from Fast Times. . ., and others who were all over episodic TV shows from the '60s to the '80s. For Rewatchables fans, there is a cornucopia of "that guys" in The Apartment.
 



Watched Lawrence of Arabia (again), or is it Aurens? My two favorite parts were when Omar Sharif is introduced into the movie and also when Anthony Quinn appears. Lawrence is certainly a troubled soul.

Siskel & Ebert review the re-release:

 


Fighting the stomach bug for a second day allowed me to dive into My Dinner with Andre today/tonight (had to split it in two; was falling asleep at the halfway point). My thoughts:
* The first 50 minutes or so was pretty much given over to Andre talking and I found him to be a kook--a blowhard who name drops and travels to exotic locales and engages in experiences that chafe against my midwest sensibilities. When I went to take a nap, I didn't know if I was going to bother with the second half.
* I'm glad I stuck with it--the second half of the film became more conversational and Wallace Shawn's more grounded existence challenged much of Andre's discourse. It was definitely thought provoking as it mined territory that is still relevant (even more so?) today about connection, living a purposeful life, allowing oneself to just be.
* Watching the movie 40+ years after its release, it's simplicity-two friends meeting up after a long time apart for dinner without the distractions of cell phones, with the focus entirely on the conversation was jarring to see (according to Roger Ebert, it was a revelation in its time too).

If you're interested in watching, I found it streaming on YouTube for free.
 

Watched Lawrence of Arabia (again), or is it Aurens? My two favorite parts were when Omar Sharif is introduced into the movie and also when Anthony Quinn appears. Lawrence is certainly a troubled soul.

Yes, Omar Shariff's character makes a great entrance by shooting Lawrence's Arab guide.

O'Toole: "Why did you shoot that man?"

Shariff: "He knew that he is not allowed to drink from this well."

O'Toole: "Why didn't you shoot me?"

Shariff: "You are welcome."

I think my favorite scene has to be the tiny speck emerging from the desert that eventually comes into focus as Lawrence riding out of the desert on horseback with the man he went back to save. Then there was the wild cheering for Lawrence who did what the Arabs thought was impossible. Unfortunately, his heroism was all for nought as the tribesmen eventually were proven right: it was "written" that the man would die.
 



Just got back from a trip on an airline that had a great movie lineup of classics, so I've got some thoughts on. . .

In the Heat of the Night--I first watched this in high school and rewatching it so many years later, wow, has it held up wonderfully. Norman Jewison (the director) keeps the tension taut in the hot little backwater Mississippi town that Virgil Tibbs (Sidney Poitier) just happens to be moving through when a murder occurs. The interplay between Poitier and Rod Steiger as the chief of police who begrudingly allows his conscience to overcome his racism is sublime. While Steiger won the Oscar, Poitier is a powerhouse on screen. One hell of a movie.

I also watched Alfie, Michael Caine's breakout movie from 1966 and boy, has this movie aged like fresh cheese left in the sun. I haven't been as disappointed in a movie in quite some time--it's been on my list of movies to catch up with for quite awhile and what I anticipated it to be (a light romp of a British playboy) was not that at all--Alfie's downright cruel and loathsome to the women he seduces and ultimately discards. Yes, in the end Alfie gets his inevitable and predictable comeuppance, and it was the only part of the movie I found satisfying.
 

After rewatching Get Shorty this past weekend, I think it's time for a Dennis Farina appreciation post. Can you think of a movie where you've seen Farina and he hasn't made it markably more enjoyable, because I cannot. A couple months ago I watched his debut in Thief (with James Caan) and was surprised to realize that was his debut--turns out he began acting at age 37 after nearly 20 twenty years as a Chicago cop.

Here's a partial lineup of Farina's work:
Thief
Get Shorty
Snatch
Midnight Run
Out of Sight
Saving Private Ryan
Manhunter

That's not counting the various TV shows he was involved with, including Miami Vice, Law & Order, Hunter, Remington Steele, and Crime Story.

Farina died at the age of 69 in 2013 from a blood clot in his lung and the movies, especially of the gangster variety, have been lessened by his loss.

I conclude with some of my favorite Farina quotes:
"Is this moron #1? Put moron #2 on the phone." -Midnight Run
"Do you have anything to declare? Yeah, don't go to England." -Snatch
Chili: "How did you get in here?" Ray (Farina): "It was easy. I told 'em I was you, I acted real stupid, and they let me in." -Get Shorty
 

In another thread this is what I identified as my 11 favorite movies:

1. The Right Stuff
2. The Player
3. LA Confidential
4. The Shawshank Redemption
5. Lawrence of Arabia
6. The Royal Tenenbaums
7. Lone Star
8. Into the Wild
9. Cinema Paradiso
10. Almost Famous
11. Saving Private Ryan

Sometime spring of 2020, I started making an effort to re-watch all of these. A few I was able to rewatch in classic cinema showings back in a theater, including Shawshank, Lawrence of Arabia & Saving Private Ryan. I'm down to only needing to revisit The Player (#2).
The "missing link" for revisiting on my Top 12 List, The Player at #2, has been added to HBO-MAX.

Score.
 

After rewatching Get Shorty this past weekend, I think it's time for a Dennis Farina appreciation post. Can you think of a movie where you've seen Farina and he hasn't made it markably more enjoyable, because I cannot. A couple months ago I watched his debut in Thief (with James Caan) and was surprised to realize that was his debut--turns out he began acting at age 37 after nearly 20 twenty years as a Chicago cop.

Here's a partial lineup of Farina's work:
Thief
Get Shorty
Snatch
Midnight Run
Out of Sight
Saving Private Ryan
Manhunter

That's not counting the various TV shows he was involved with, including Miami Vice, Law & Order, Hunter, Remington Steele, and Crime Story.

Farina died at the age of 69 in 2013 from a blood clot in his lung and the movies, especially of the gangster variety, have been lessened by his loss.

I conclude with some of my favorite Farina quotes:
"Is this moron #1? Put moron #2 on the phone." -Midnight Run
"Do you have anything to declare? Yeah, don't go to England." -Snatch
Chili: "How did you get in here?" Ray (Farina): "It was easy. I told 'em I was you, I acted real stupid, and they let me in." -Get Shorty
Just finished Get Shorty. I forgot how good it was. Farina was equally good dishing it or taking it.
 

After rewatching Get Shorty this past weekend, I think it's time for a Dennis Farina appreciation post. Can you think of a movie where you've seen Farina and he hasn't made it markably more enjoyable, because I cannot. A couple months ago I watched his debut in Thief (with James Caan) and was surprised to realize that was his debut--turns out he began acting at age 37 after nearly 20 twenty years as a Chicago cop.

Here's a partial lineup of Farina's work:
Thief
Get Shorty
Snatch
Midnight Run
Out of Sight
Saving Private Ryan
Manhunter

That's not counting the various TV shows he was involved with, including Miami Vice, Law & Order, Hunter, Remington Steele, and Crime Story.

Farina died at the age of 69 in 2013 from a blood clot in his lung and the movies, especially of the gangster variety, have been lessened by his loss.

I conclude with some of my favorite Farina quotes:
"Is this moron #1? Put moron #2 on the phone." -Midnight Run
"Do you have anything to declare? Yeah, don't go to England." -Snatch
Chili: "How did you get in here?" Ray (Farina): "It was easy. I told 'em I was you, I acted real stupid, and they let me in." -Get Shorty

One of my favorites, even in Law & Order. The man had some serious acting chops.
 





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