Minnesota Daily Writer Wants Badgers in Our Student Section

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Student tickets are $79 for the entire season.

$200 cheaper than the cheapest seat in the house. Tell your father to BUY a ticket with the other non-student ADULTS.

Its called the student section because they discount the tickets dramatically for the STUDENTS. God I hope you don't need to finish your four year degree to figure this complex formula out.

 

[Rickman55]

The bigger question is......who is checking ID's? This guy got in with a student ID even though he isn't a student. What the heck is the point of even checking them. I wonder what kind of article this guy would have written if his dad had been turned away at the gate like he should have been.

 

[RodentRampage]

Well, there are students older than average. If I ever decided to go to grad school, I would probably buy student tickets.

In any case, the other Big Ten schools - Wisconsin included! - restrict student ticket to students. I doubt when the Gophers visit Happy Valley that middle-aged Gopher fans who aren't PSU students would be warmly welcomed in PSU's student section.

 

[skiumah2]

Should they kick him out of school too?? Imprison his father??

O.k. fine, I'll bite. I'll tell you exactly what should be done to the writer since you somehow read between the lines of my post to come up with a totally ridiculous scenario. The writer should lose his season tickets for obtaining a fake ID in order for a non-student to use a student ticket. He should either lose his job as a Minnesota Daily columnist or at least have his workload cut back. However, I do not feel he should be kicked out of school.

Obtaining and using fake ID's is a criminal offense. While I don't think any criminal charges should come from this, the writer is a U of M student who broke school rules and has the gall to openly admit in the school newspaper. Like I said, at minimum he should lose his season tickets. At maximum his position with the Daily should be affected as well.

Where exactly did I say the kid should be kicked out of school? Please show me where I wrote my thoughts on what should be done to the father? MNCH, if you want to read between the lines of my post, at least try to bring a little reading comprehension to the table.

 

[UofM Fan]

While the issue of what to do about the columnist seems to be a hot topic, I think the more relevant and more discouraging issue should be how and why was an middle aged (assuming his dad was 45-55) was able to get into the game with an ID that was obviously not his.

For all we have heard about how the university is going to crack down on who gets into the student section this seems like a pretty public audit of how effective their entry process is working.

 

[GoAUpher]

Obtaining and using fake ID's is a criminal offense. While I don't think any criminal charges should come from this, the writer is a U of M student who broke school rules and has the gall to openly admit in the school newspaper. Like I said, at minimum he should lose his season tickets. At maximum his position with the Daily should be affected as well.

He used someone else's U card, not their driver's license or passport. I agree that he probably broke some part of the contract you agree to when you buy student tickets. But I'd love it if you could explain what law he broke that would make this a criminal offense. Try to keep some perspective here.

 

[Gopher Bandanna Guy]

This might be the worst article I've ever seen out of the Daily. UNBELIEVABLE. This is right up there with that article a Prof wrote back in 1998 when the Gopher hoops team got into a scrap with the Filipino National Team, and he called out the student section as 'racist' for booing the visitors (anybody around remember that fiasco?).

Maybe if Mr. Hauck's turncoat dad loves his Badgers so goddamn much, he would have bought tickets thru the UW Athletic department, where those types of road attendance figures help boost your Bowl Selection bids. Nope - instead, he decides to be a cheapskate and try and get in with the students. Shame on the ID checker for not shutting this guy out. I say we start appointing 'student liasons' to each ID checker who makes sure they do their jobs.

 

[goodlygopher]

What a ridiculous amount of vitriol

It stands to reason that Hauck's dad wanted sit in the student section so he could sit with his son to watch the game. As for the ID situation, the students I've talked to said they didn't really care whose ID it was as long as it was a ucard, probably because they realized that it was better to just let people in who know the student that they got the ticket from instead of dealing with the angry horde of pissed off people who paid top dollar for their ticket.

Also, had this been a friend of the writer from Minnesota instead of his Badger loving father, would everyone have been so quick to disagree?

That said, it would be a gas if they took away his season tickets because of this moronic admission of violation

 

[RedPoo]

It stands to reason that Hauck's dad wanted sit in the student section so he could sit with his son to watch the game. As for the ID situation, the students I've talked to said they didn't really care whose ID it was as long as it was a ucard, probably because they realized that it was better to just let people in who know the student that they got the ticket from instead of dealing with the angry horde of pissed off people who paid top dollar for their ticket.

Also, had this been a friend of the writer from Minnesota instead of his Badger loving father, would everyone have been so quick to disagree?

That said, it would be a gas if they took away his season tickets because of this moronic admission of violation

I'd be just as quick to disagree about his getting so up-in-arms about it. Someone complaining about about how it was mildly difficult for him break a widely-advertised rule so his non-student friend could have a seat that was reserved for students is just embarrassing. The sense of entitlement is off the charts...if anything, it makes it a little better that the writer is obviously not a huge Gopher fan.

 

[Bronko Nagurski Gopher]

He used someone else's U card, not their driver's license or passport. I agree that he probably broke some part of the contract you agree to when you buy student tickets. But I'd love it if you could explain what law he broke that would make this a criminal offense. Try to keep some perspective here.

actually, i believe both providing and assisting in obtaining an invalid U-Card for someone else to use with an invalid student season ticket is grounds for cancellation of student season tickets per the U of M ticket policy.

in this case, unde the policy, i think both the student who sold his ticket as well as provided his U-Card and the idiot writer who did the leg work in obtaining his invalid student ID could lose their student season tickets if the U were the rightfully enforce their student ticketing policy.

i think just to rub this lame article right back in the face of the closet-becky deuce who wrote it that someone who has contacts in the U ticket office needs to send the author/student's name to the ticket office along with his article and an explanation about the violation of the student ticket policy. the author/student's name is john hauck.

 

[tundra]

i think we are all dumber after reading that poor article. what a piece of whiny BS. The only thing i really came to understand after reading it was that there is a whole level of entitlement out there that i will never comprehend or except.

 

[tundra]

He used someone else's U card, not their driver's license or passport. I agree that he probably broke some part of the contract you agree to when you buy student tickets. But I'd love it if you could explain what law he broke that would make this a criminal offense. Try to keep some perspective here.

allowing someone else to use your ID would probably technically be a violation of some clause in the student conduct policy. dont know for sure. i am sure someone with time will research it.

 

[GopherLady]

A few of my thoughts:

1. I think this is by far, the best system they've had in place. Our student section used to have tons of red in it - this year, it was very minimal. Nothing will work 100%...keep in mind, these are student workers, they also want to avoid conflict for games and keep these lines moving. And yes, some students are old, so you can't really go by that.

2. There are too many things to critcize in this article, and you all have done it so effectively, so I'll leave that.

3. He does raise one good point - what about students that have extra tickets? I think it would be a great idea to have a ticket exchange, or credit the ticket office could give out. You may not know someone in your circle that needs a ticket (chances are, you probably have tickets with most of your friends that are fans), but there are certainly students in the 50K student body that would purchase them. Maybe kids could hand in their tickets by 5pm on Thursday for a credit, and students could purchase them on Friday? Not sure how the logistics would work, but I'd think they could credit their U account, and just keep all the tickets in a pile, sell them until they're gone. Just an idea - it would help keep people out that shouldn't be there, and make sure it's still full every game.

 

[UptownMaroon&Gold]

3. He does raise one good point - what about students that have extra tickets? I think it would be a great idea to have a ticket exchange, or credit the ticket office could give out. You may not know someone in your circle that needs a ticket (chances are, you probably have tickets with most of your friends that are fans), but there are certainly students in the 50K student body that would purchase them. Maybe kids could hand in their tickets by 5pm on Thursday for a credit, and students could purchase them on Friday? Not sure how the logistics would work, but I'd think they could credit their U account, and just keep all the tickets in a pile, sell them until they're gone. Just an idea - it would help keep people out that shouldn't be there, and make sure it's still full every game.

In addition to your GopherHole duties, you should work in a management position in the ticket office, seriously...they are trying, and I applaud them for it, but they still don't quite get it, or they don't have the infrastructure to put good ideas like this into action.

 

[centerofmn]

Actually, he commented on the entirety of the paper, not just the article. It's a pretty baseless claim. For the standards that are generally set for college newspapers, the Daily is a damn good paper. I will admit that this piece sucks though, and the kids sounds like a jerk.

Also, yes, it is their job (although I'd love to find out how much opinion columnists actually make, I'm sure it's a ton). Dealing with assholes will likely be a big bulk of their future careers as journalists, but maybe we could at least agree to not make drastic overgeneralizations about the quality of everyone's work because you don't like this (admittedly) self-centered kid. That they are kids working for a largely non-profit paper should matter.

People could lighten up a bit on here sometimes.

I read the Daily every day. In my opinion the paper is severely lacking in quality, especially when it comes to the editorials. The editorials are always bad, this one especially so. Say what you want about them being college kids, but they have to learn to be journalists sooner or later.

As for the Daily being non-profit, this is true. However, the writers and other employees are compensated quite well for the time they put in.

 

[GopherLady]

I read the Daily every day. In my opinion the paper is severely lacking in quality, especially when it comes to the editorials. The editorials are always bad, this one especially so. Say what you want about them being college kids, but they have to learn to be journalists sooner or later.

As for the Daily being non-profit, this is true. However, the writers and other employees are compensated quite well for the time they put in.

I don't know if it's really lacking in quality - I'd say this one column is the exception, not the norm. I always remembered The Daily winning a lot of awards when I was in school, and it looks like they're still winning them:

http://www.mndaily.com/blogs/newsstand/2009/07/27/daily-wins-three-first-place-acp-awards

I don't think many of us can understand what it takes to produce a Daily college newspaper. I'm not sure how they're compensated now, but when I was in college (10 years ago), I had applied for a summer job there and it compensated much less than other internships and jobs I had applied for. Either way, I think they do a good job for having to produce so much content, and being college kids.

 

[Schnoodler]

i'm usually impressed by the Daily. especially when compared against the strib.

 

[Bayfieldgopher]

Imagine having a dad like that?? How many other times has he taught his son to do what you need to to get what you want.

My dad would have kicked my sorry a$$ not once but twice for doing something so unethical and blatantly wrong.

 

[Bayfieldgopher]

Imagine having a dad like that?? How many other times has he taught his son to do what you need to to get what you want.

My dad would have kicked my sorry a$$ not once but twice for doing something so unethical and blatantly wrong.

 

[MNCH]

Imagine having a dad like that?? How many other times has he taught his son to do what you need to to get what you want.

My dad would have kicked my sorry a$$ not once but twice for doing something so unethical and blatantly wrong.

Bayfield,

You just tried to apply "ethics" to a Wisconsinite. Come on now, you know better than that!!

 

[GoAUpher]

actually, i believe both providing and assisting in obtaining an invalid U-Card for someone else to use with an invalid student season ticket is grounds for cancellation of student season tickets per the U of M ticket policy.

in this case, unde the policy, i think both the student who sold his ticket as well as provided his U-Card and the idiot writer who did the leg work in obtaining his invalid student ID could lose their student season tickets if the U were the rightfully enforce their student ticketing policy.

i think just to rub this lame article right back in the face of the closet-becky deuce who wrote it that someone who has contacts in the U ticket office needs to send the author/student's name to the ticket office along with his article and an explanation about the violation of the student ticket policy. the author/student's name is john hauck.

allowing someone else to use your ID would probably technically be a violation of some clause in the student conduct policy. dont know for sure. i am sure someone with time will research it.

Bronko/Tundra~
I don't disagree that he likely broke part of his student ticket agreement. In fact, I said as much in my post. My point was directed a skiumah2's silly assertion that the kid broke the law. What local, state, or federal law did the kid break? What fines does he face? Is there jail time in his future? He almost certainly invalidated his right to hold student tickets. And he's a giant toolbag with a d-bag for a father. But he's not a criminal. Just an idiot.

 

[MNCH]

Bronko/Tundra~
I don't disagree that he likely broke part of his student ticket agreement. In fact, I said as much in my post. My point was directed a skiumah2's silly assertion that the kid broke the law. What local, state, or federal law did the kid break? What fines does he face? Is there jail time in his future? He almost certainly invalidated his right to hold student tickets. And he's a giant toolbag with a d-bag for a father. But he's not a criminal. Just an idiot.

That was also my point to Skiumah2's irrational post as well but he couldn't comprehend my sarcasm.

 

[GoAUpher]

That was also my point to Skiumah2's irrational post as well but he couldn't comprehend my sarcasm.

My favorite part of skiumah2's reply to your post was:

"However, I do not feel he should be kicked out of school."

How very gracious. Again, this kid is a terrible fan who's sense of entitlement is overshadowed only by his idiocy. But perspective it still warranted.

 

[RodentRampage]

It stands to reason that Hauck's dad wanted sit in the student section so he could sit with his son to watch the game. As for the ID situation, the students I've talked to said they didn't really care whose ID it was as long as it was a ucard, probably because they realized that it was better to just let people in who know the student that they got the ticket from instead of dealing with the angry horde of pissed off people who paid top dollar for their ticket.

Also, had this been a friend of the writer from Minnesota instead of his Badger loving father, would everyone have been so quick to disagree?

That said, it would be a gas if they took away his season tickets because of this moronic admission of violation

It may stand to reason that he wanted to sit with his son, but that doesn't change the fact that student tickets are for students only. If you go back and read other threads, you would see that there is wide support here for keeping the student section for students only, even if the person in question is a Gopher fan.

There is objection to U of M students wearing the opposing team's colors, but that's a character question.

 

[monk10]

I'd be interested to know whether he gets repremended for admiting to using a student ticket for his dad.


It just seems to scream "Here's your sign"

 

[centerofmn]

I don't know if it's really lacking in quality - I'd say this one column is the exception, not the norm. I always remembered The Daily winning a lot of awards when I was in school, and it looks like they're still winning them:

http://www.mndaily.com/blogs/newsstand/2009/07/27/daily-wins-three-first-place-acp-awards

I don't think many of us can understand what it takes to produce a Daily college newspaper. I'm not sure how they're compensated now, but when I was in college (10 years ago), I had applied for a summer job there and it compensated much less than other internships and jobs I had applied for. Either way, I think they do a good job for having to produce so much content, and being college kids.

Maybe I am being hard on the Daily, but I have found this type of opinion piece to be the norm, not the exception.

 

[skiumah2]

MNCH & GoAUpher,

When presenting a document as proof of your identity, you are breaking the law. It does not need to be a driver's license, passport, military id, or any other government document you can think of. If you present someone else's health club membership card as proof of your identity you've broken the law, a federal law. Try to have some knowledge or at least partially know what you're talking about before you claim I'm being "silly" or "not having perspective".

I've demonstrated plenty of perspective. I've indicated what I thought should be done to the this Mr. Hauck or whatever his name is. He should lose his student tickets and have his job at the Daily effected in some way. I think those would be appropriate reprecussions for his actions. Never once did I say Mr. Hauck or his dad should face criminal penalties for obtaining and using a fake id. Never once did I say the kid should be kicked out of school. This fact apparently makes me "gracious" in GoAUpher's eyes.

The kid printed an article in the school newspaper that basically laughed in the face of a University rule that the school pushed hard all week to make sure everyone was aware not to do. If I don't have "perspective" or am being "silly", what should be done to the kid? Nothing? What I'm proposing should be done is not that harsh. Try to have some "perspective" yourselves.

 

[GoAUpher]

MNCH & GoAUpher,

When presenting a document as proof of your identity, you are breaking the law. It does not need to be a driver's license, passport, military id, or any other government document you can think of. If you present someone else's health club membership card as proof of your identity you've broken the law, a federal law. Try to have some knowledge or at least partially know what you're talking about before you claim I'm being "silly" or "not having perspective".

I've demonstrated plenty of perspective. I've indicated what I thought should be done to the this Mr. Hauck or whatever his name is. He should lose his student tickets and have his job at the Daily effected in some way. I think those would be appropriate reprecussions for his actions. Never once did I say Mr. Hauck or his dad should face criminal penalties for obtaining and using a fake id. Never once did I say the kid should be kicked out of school. This fact apparently makes me "gracious" in GoAUpher's eyes.

The kid printed an article in the school newspaper that basically laughed in the face of a University rule that the school pushed hard all week to make sure everyone was aware not to do. If I don't have "perspective" or am being "silly", what should be done to the kid? Nothing? What I'm proposing should be done is not that harsh. Try to have some "perspective" yourselves.

If you can point me to the law that he broke I'm willing to eat plenty of crow. But in the meantime, I'd be astonished to learn that there it is a federal crime to use an ID that has not been issue by the government. What you're suggesting is that it is a federal crime to use ANY id that isn't yours, even if its a value shopper card from your local store (that's the reasoning you created with your health club comment). I'm pretty darn sure it would be a crime to use some non-government ID to represent yourself as someone else to a government agent (police officer, FBI, etc) but that isn't what we're talking about here. The kid helped his dad misrepresent himself to rent-a-cops at a football game not the police, the feds, the IRS, or even the dog-catcher. If you know so much more then the rest of us you should be able to prove it. Otherwise you're just running your mouth.

Anything beyond losing his season tickets is overreacting to the issue (and that is assuming he did break the student ticket contract...I believe he did but again, that would need to be proven first). Losing his job at the Daily would be an overreaction.

 

[DLguy]

I am not sure that a law was broken, but allowing someone else to use your UCard for benefit is against University policy and is punishable.

As far as ticket exchange program, the ticket office has been pushing hard to get a similar system to that of Penn State. Your tickets are on your UCard. If you cant make a game, you can transfer your "ticket" to another student. UCard would then be swipped. The department that runs the Ucards refuses to work with the Ticket Office so they are stuck with the current way. Dont blame the Ticket Office for not doing enough as they are handcuffed as to what they can do.

 

[MNCH]

MNCH & GoAUpher,

When presenting a document as proof of your identity, you are breaking the law. It does not need to be a driver's license, passport, military id, or any other government document you can think of. If you present someone else's health club membership card as proof of your identity you've broken the law, a federal law. Try to have some knowledge or at least partially know what you're talking about before you claim I'm being "silly" or "not having perspective".

I've demonstrated plenty of perspective. I've indicated what I thought should be done to the this Mr. Hauck or whatever his name is. He should lose his student tickets and have his job at the Daily effected in some way. I think those would be appropriate reprecussions for his actions. Never once did I say Mr. Hauck or his dad should face criminal penalties for obtaining and using a fake id. Never once did I say the kid should be kicked out of school. This fact apparently makes me "gracious" in GoAUpher's eyes.

The kid printed an article in the school newspaper that basically laughed in the face of a University rule that the school pushed hard all week to make sure everyone was aware not to do. If I don't have "perspective" or am being "silly", what should be done to the kid? Nothing? What I'm proposing should be done is not that harsh. Try to have some "perspective" yourselves.

Should the marching band tar and feather the kid at halftime tomorrow?

Some "perspective"? Get over it already.