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short ornery norwegian said:
on the subject of NIL - take this for what you think it's worth -

was listening to Pat Reusse on the 'Daily Delivery' podcast with Randball on the Strib website.

Reusse said that "someone with inside knowledge of the Gopher men's basketball program" told him that....quoting....."the bidding for Dennis Evans got as high as $800,000."

to be sure - Reusse could be wrong - his source could be wrong. But, someone who has a connection to Gopher hoops apparently heard that figure somewhere.
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So I'm guessing the gophers were right in that $750k range and just missed out?
 

jovs said:
I might even watch the final four this year.
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While you might be interested, I suspect this will be the lowest rated Final 4 on CBS ever. There might have been some lower ones on TBS/Basic cable.

No blue bloods. Hardly anyone with a bracket still alive or already decided, just seems like interest will be lacking.
 

Ope3 said:
While you might be interested, I suspect this will be the lowest rated Final 4 on CBS ever. There might have been some lower ones on TBS/Basic cable.

No blue bloods. Hardly anyone with a bracket still alive or already decided, just seems like interest will be lacking.
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Most fun for me unless Gophers are in it.

I'm no one's target market, and no one makes any money off of me except Kwik Trip gas and staples.
 

Ope3 said:
While you might be interested, I suspect this will be the lowest rated Final 4 on CBS ever. There might have been some lower ones on TBS/Basic cable.

No blue bloods. Hardly anyone with a bracket still alive or already decided, just seems like interest will be lacking.
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I'm conflicted because while I love a good underdog story, and love seeing the bluebloods lose, the games are just simply more exciting and interesting when the top teams are playing.

That said, I will still watch because these 4 teams have played very entertaining basketball thus far.
 

Holy Man said:
Most fun for me unless Gophers are in it.

I'm no one's target market, and no one makes any money off of me except Kwik Trip gas and staples.
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Me too. The only exception is when advertisements air for Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. I run to the fridge almost every time.

It's a killer that they are one of the primary sponsors of March Madness. Friday night all it took was for me to see the logo on the main court banner, done deal. Pavlovian.
 



Ope3 said:
Me too. The only exception is when advertisements air for Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. I run to the fridge almost every time.

It's a killer that they are one of the primary sponsors of March Madness. Friday night all it took was for me to see the logo on the main court banner, done deal. Pavlovian.
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Reese's are darn good, though. I have a lot of them, as many people know I like them. They accumulate during Lent.
 

upnorthkid said:
Just a few small things. The Yankees haven’t been the highest payroll in the last 3-4 years due to the dodgers and Mets.

Secondly, I think it’s probably somewhat of a threshold argument. Have to have enough to keep and attract your best talent. After a certain point, law of diminishing returns for sure. But there’s a reason in MLB those as or below the average are not contending
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Others may spend more money but the Yankees have the resources to dwarf the others if they chose to. The Yankees seem to be echoing my point that money doesn't automatically buy championships.
$7.1 Billion
 

Ope3 said:
While you might be interested, I suspect this will be the lowest rated Final 4 on CBS ever. There might have been some lower ones on TBS/Basic cable.

No blue bloods. Hardly anyone with a bracket still alive or already decided, just seems like interest will be lacking.
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Love 3 of the 4. Will watch all of it.
 



Gophers1992 said:
Good for them. Nice to see talented individuals who have worked really hard be paid their worth.
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And all athletics in other sports will be without any opportunity to 0lay anywhere
Sp much for title 9
 

cjbfbp said:
I guess so! If Barkley's predictions come true, then I think we should go to a smaller "NCAA championship" tournament and a larger "NCAA Championship Irrelevant" tournament. Maybe we could make the latter one 40% of the time.
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I mean there already is the NIT and CBI. I guess you could merge those two and make the NCAA tournament a playoff of just conference champions and a handful of at large bids cutting the field to about 40 teams.
 

cjbfbp said:
Charles Barkley did an interview on 60 minutes last night. He was asked for his thoughts about the current state of college basketball. He was depressed about the direction of CBB and pessimistic about the future. He said that within five years there will be around 25 teams who are dominant and the rest will be irrelevant.
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How does he explain FAU, then?


There are relatively few people who watch college basketball regular season. March Madness is where the money and ratings are.
 





Gophers_4life said:
How does he explain FAU, then?


There are relatively few people who watch college basketball regular season. March Madness is where the money and ratings are.
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He did say 5 years from now not today. This year and last year have been all messed up with the grad transfers and Covid players. Once those Covid guys exhaust their eligibility you will see some change
 

From the Parkinglot said:
He did say 5 years from now not today. This year and last year have been all messed up with the grad transfers and Covid players. Once those Covid guys exhaust their eligibility you will see some change
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Well I guess we have to say, what is “dominate college basketball”?

What does that ultimately mean?


In football, we’ll never see a school like FAU in the final four. That makes sense.

But in basketball …. they just did it. And I bet most of those guys aren’t getting major NIL at all, already. So how does the top 25 programs in terms of NIL “dominating” change it?
 

Gophers_4life said:
Well I guess we have to say, what is “dominate college basketball”?

What does that ultimately mean?


In football, we’ll never see a school like FAU in the final four. That makes sense.

But in basketball …. they just did it. And I bet most of those guys aren’t getting major NIL at all, already. So how does the top 25 programs in terms of NIL “dominating” change it?
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But the sad reality is that FAU's entire team can return next year if they want. Any bets on how many leave for greener pastures?
 

short ornery norwegian said:
on the subject of NIL - take this for what you think it's worth -

was listening to Pat Reusse on the 'Daily Delivery' podcast with Randball on the Strib website.

Reusse said that "someone with inside knowledge of the Gopher men's basketball program" told him that....quoting....."the bidding for Dennis Evans got as high as $800,000."

to be sure - Reusse could be wrong - his source could be wrong. But, someone who has a connection to Gopher hoops apparently heard that figure somewhere.
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I heard that, too, and also heard him say the same thing later with the Skor North guys, when he added that the source was Mike Grimm. He also said that time he's not sure it's true.
 


Gophers_4life said:
Well I guess we have to say, what is “dominate college basketball”?

What does that ultimately mean?


In football, we’ll never see a school like FAU in the final four. That makes sense.

But in basketball …. they just did it. And I bet most of those guys aren’t getting major NIL at all, already. So how does the top 25 programs in terms of NIL “dominating” change it?
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Basketball is much tougher to be dominated by teams as 2 guys can carry a team. I would agree with Charles that going forward this final four will be an oddity.

All I know is the gophers are so far away from being competitive, .500 in the big ten, it’s not even funny
 

From the Parkinglot said:
Basketball is much tougher to be dominated by teams as 2 guys can carry a team. I would agree with Charles that going forward this final four will be an oddity.

All I know is the gophers are so far away from being competitive, .500 in the big ten, it’s not even funny
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I just don’t understand what people see that will change. Blue bloods are considered blue bloods because of consistent success. It’s not like the tournament has had crazy amount of parity. I’m hoping this year is the new norm.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Well I guess we have to say, what is “dominate college basketball”?

What does that ultimately mean?


In football, we’ll never see a school like FAU in the final four. That makes sense.

But in basketball …. they just did it. And I bet most of those guys aren’t getting major NIL at all, already. So how does the top 25 programs in terms of NIL “dominating” change it?
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I'm not sure that we would "never see a school like FAU in the final four" for football. CUSA/Group of 5 teams will have at least a chance to be in the 12 team field. From there they would need to win just 2 games, possibly one at home and another on a neutral site.

Improbable yes, even highly so, but at least a chance.

Another roundabout way they could get in if there were upsets in Power 5 Championship games, so that the CUSA winner was actually a Top 4 Champion and got a bye. One proposal is only Conference Champions are eligible for the Bye. Of course if most/all Conferences abandon Divisions and go to Top 2 formats, that make that scenario even more unlikely, but that's yet another topic.

All purely speculation, since the format has not been approved.
 

Ope3 said:
I'm not sure that we would "never see a school like FAU in the final four" for football. CUSA/Group of 5 teams will have at least a chance to be in the 12 team field. From there they would need to win just 2 games, possibly one at home and another on a neutral site.
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They'll win the first game if they play another G5 team. If they face SEC #2 or B1G #2 (as a 5 vs. 12 seed) they'll get plastered off the field. The offensive and defensive lines are too small to hold up for more than one driver.

Ope3 said:
Another roundabout way they could get in if there were upsets in Power 5 Championship games, so that the CUSA winner was actually a Top 4 Champion and got a bye.
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Even a 1-loss SEC or B1G champ is getting in higher than any G5 or lower team. Why? Because even if they are upset in the conf. champ game, everyone and their mother stills knows they are light years ahead of G5 and lower teams.

Even SEC #2 or B1G #2 would be more deserving of the top 4 compared to a lowly G5 or lower team.

Mighty mouse doesn't punch above his weight in football.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
They'll win the first game if they play another G5 team. If they face SEC #2 or B1G #2 (as a 5 vs. 12 seed) they'll get plastered off the field. The offensive and defensive lines are too small to hold up for more than one driver.


Even a 1-loss SEC or B1G champ is getting in higher than any G5 or lower team. Why? Because even if they are upset in the conf. champ game, everyone and their mother stills knows they are light years ahead of G5 and lower teams.

Even SEC #2 or B1G #2 would be more deserving of the top 4 compared to a lowly G5 or lower team.

Mighty mouse doesn't punch above his weight in football.
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Generally, I agree. Highly improbable, but Boise St knocked off Oklahoma in a Fiesta Bowl and Tulane just dropped USC in the Cotton Bowl.

It's not unthinkable.
 

cjbfbp said:
Charles Barkley did an interview on 60 minutes last night. He was asked for his thoughts about the current state of college basketball. He was depressed about the direction of CBB and pessimistic about the future. He said that within five years there will be around 25 teams who are dominant and the rest will be irrelevant.
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Hasn't it been that way for decades? 90% of final four teams come from the Big 6 conferences.

I think NIL and the portal have led to more competition.

There were 11, P6 teams with less than 10 losses. All had at least 6 and the average # of losses for the group was 7.4. 2 Made the Final 4.

Mountain West made the Elite 8 and Final Four for first time ever. People forget that these teams have all made the Final Four in the last 10 years.

San Diego State
FAU
Houston
Loyola-Chicago
Wichita State

In the end good coaching and building rosters is going to be key to winning, NIL and the portal can help. Every game can be found on TV from St. Thomas to Duke. So many factors including realignment/expansion of conferences all playing a role in parity. There are 300+ D1 teams and seeing a team in MN jump from D3 to D1 shows how slim the margin is.

St. Thomas played with Creighton. Merrimack made the jump to D1 and won their conference, while #2 FDU won two tournament games. NIL $$ in some of these college towns/areas is likely to compete with metro areas where there are professional teams.

My issue with NCAA basketball is officiating. Needing to cover that many games and styles of play lead to so many inconsistencies in games, officiating and quality. They should widen the lane and allow for 6 fouls. People don't come to watch the bigs sit on the bench with 2 fouls because the officiating is so inconsistent.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Hasn't it been that way for decades? 90% of final four teams come from the Big 6 conferences.

I think NIL and the portal have led to more competition.

There were 11, P6 teams with less than 10 losses. All had at least 6 and the average # of losses for the group was 7.4. 2 Made the Final 4.

Mountain West made the Elite 8 and Final Four for first time ever. People forget that these teams have all made the Final Four in the last 10 years.

San Diego State
FAU
Houston
Loyola-Chicago
Wichita State

In the end good coaching and building rosters is going to be key to winning, NIL and the portal can help. Every game can be found on TV from St. Thomas to Duke. So many factors including realignment/expansion of conferences all playing a role in parity. There are 300+ D1 teams and seeing a team in MN jump from D3 to D1 shows how slim the margin is.

St. Thomas played with Creighton. Merrimack made the jump to D1 and won their conference, while #2 FDU won two tournament games. NIL $$ in some of these college towns/areas is likely to compete with metro areas where there are professional teams.

My issue with NCAA basketball is officiating. Needing to cover that many games and styles of play lead to so many inconsistencies in games, officiating and quality. They should widen the lane and allow for 6 fouls. People don't come to watch the bigs sit on the bench with 2 fouls because the officiating is so inconsistent.
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NIL is just getting rolling. We'll have to wait a couple years to see how it settles out.

There are probably going to be years where coaches put together actual "teams" that are not heavily laden with NIL big dollar guys who gel into a unit and make a run- like this year with SDSU and FAU. There will likely be others where the big money schools will dominate with just too much talent- as happens in football.

We have the ability to choose if we are going to compete or not. The mid majors probably do not.
 

Ope3 said:
Me too. The only exception is when advertisements air for Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. I run to the fridge almost every time.

It's a killer that they are one of the primary sponsors of March Madness. Friday night all it took was for me to see the logo on the main court banner, done deal. Pavlovian.
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For the record, I went to the fridge for the Reese's fix at the 8 minute TV time out of the 1st half of the Title game.
 

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