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minnyrules11 said:
I was at the Detroit game. Nobody was open. Had no time either. No turnovers. Over 50 percent completion percentage.

Seattle game was terrible but really put on a bad spot.

Agree can be a quality backup at some point.
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The line was so bad that Detroit was able to rush 3’or 4 and absolute blanket the Vikings receivers.
Max is not being evaluated fairly. He will be a solid NFL qb in time.
 

WorkingMyTailOff said:
The line was so bad that Detroit was able to rush 3’or 4 and absolute blanket the Vikings receivers.
Max is not being evaluated fairly. He will be a solid NFL qb in time.
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One play Jefferson went to one corner end zone and Addison the other. Both were double teamed. Nobody else was open. Not being evaluated fairly is 100% accurate.
 



GopherGrit said:
Kelly was just an awful signing. Indy had to be laughing to unload that one.

Fries has been fine. He played all year (I know, not ideally the thing you tout). I'd be surprised if an objective, unbiased grading service had him graded lower than Ingram.
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Ed Ingram has been routinely graded as one of the best run blocking guards in the NFL this year. It has been a big story, his improvement.

Ingram absolutely ranks ahead of Will Fries, who has been pretty bad most of the year.

Vikings probably need to find a new offensive coach.
 

tjgopher said:
Ed Ingram has been routinely graded as one of the best run blocking guards in the NFL this year. It has been a big story, his improvement.

Ingram absolutely ranks ahead of Will Fries, who has been pretty bad most of the year.

Vikings probably need to find a new offensive coach.
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I don't doubt you, just wondering if there is a free link somewhere to these grades or if they're behind a paywall. Thanks!
 

tjgopher said:
Ed Ingram has been routinely graded as one of the best run blocking guards in the NFL this year. It has been a big story, his improvement.

Ingram absolutely ranks ahead of Will Fries, who has been pretty bad most of the year.

Vikings probably need to find a new offensive coach.
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Ingram sucked ass for the Vikings. Not sure what changed, but it didn't seem like a loss when he left.

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Panthadad2 said:
Ingram sucked ass for the Vikings. Not sure what changed, but it didn't seem like a loss when he left.

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Some of this of course is who you're going up against and the blocking schemes/rules being run, but definitely an improvement.

Mind sharing where these numbers come from?


Also are you able to show that table for Fries? Thank you!
 

GopherGrit said:
Some of this of course is who you're going up against and the blocking schemes/rules being run, but definitely an improvement.

Mind sharing where these numbers come from?


Also are you able to show that table for Fries? Thank you!
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PFF premium stats. A subscription for nerds like me.

Here's Fries. It looks like last year was the anomaly and this year is back to the norm.

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Panthadad2 said:
PFF premium stats. A subscription for nerds like me.

Here's Fries. It looks like last year was the anomaly and this year is back to the norm.

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Thank you for sharing!!

Wow! I stand here before you as a man who was completely, dead ass wrong. Ingram most definitely graded out better than Fries.

EDIT: was looking at the wrong column, not sure what "Off" column is. Fries still did better than Ingram in pass blocking grades. Ingram did well in run blocking, according to them.


I stand by that some of that delta, in both cases, were factors of: who they were playing against, the blocking schemes being run, and also who you are playing with/next to.

For example, if one of the low level tackles playing next to Fries hung him out to dry on a MA, Fries wasn't ready to block that guy (it wasn't his assignment), but Fries still gets graded down for it.

Pretty wild decrease in stats from 2024 to 25 ... tough for me to accept that that is 100% on Fries just up and becoming a crappy player.
 

JJ had a full practice today so now looks like he'll probably start against the Packers.
 




PMWinSTP said:
JJ had a full practice today so now looks like he'll probably start against the Packers.
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I'm sure he is motivated to get out there to try and show he can be the guy going forward. Going to be interesting to see what the Vikings do at the QB position in the off season.

Bummer that Max won't get another start but with a hand injury it might not take much to tweak it so decent chance he still gets on the field this weekend.
 

GoldRush said:
Well...he was 3rd string and the other 2 got injured.... That's how that works.
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max has already exceeded my greatest expectations of his nfl career

I assumed his best case scenario was 4-7 years as a 2 or 3 with 0 career starts

This will be his third career start.



If he lasts for 2 more seasons on the active roster for 3+ games, he gets a pension I believe
 

Some guy said:
max has already exceeded my greatest expectations of his nfl career

I assumed his best case scenario was 4-7 years as a 2 or 3 with 0 career starts

This will be his third career start.



If he lasts for 2 more seasons on the active roster for 3+ games, he gets a pension I believe
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It does not sound like Brosmer will get the 3rd start this week, though things can change rapidly with JJ McCarthy's health status.
 

Ope3 said:
It does not sound like Brosmer will get the 3rd start this week, though things can change rapidly with JJ McCarthy's health status.
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I thought JJ wasn’t going to play. I might be wrong.
 


Max looking pretty good in the last exhibition game of the season. The Packers should actually be fined for the team they put on the field today.
 



If McCarthy can’t ever play he can’t be the guy.

They’re going to bring in an expensive #2 to compete

Which really leaves max in a nice position to be number 3





The thing that could get him is if they have a guy they love still available in round 2-3 to be the third string
 



Some guy said:
If McCarthy can’t ever play he can’t be the guy.

They’re going to bring in an expensive #2 to compete

Which really leaves max in a nice position to be number 3





The thing that could get him is if they have a guy they love still available in round 2-3 to be the third string
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Max does not deserve to be on a roster. Love the guy but he is not an NFL QB.
 

I think he is one of the sharpest guys on the team but two of the most bone-headed plays I've ever seen a QB make this season. And he was looking so good.
 


Max has had flashes and has potential. That said, he's had just as many egregiously awful moments. I still think he can develop into a competent backup.
 


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