Marc Trestman - somebody please explain

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Just to go through this thread a little bit...

#1: Whoever brought up Ferentz with Trestman is I think grasping for straws. Ferentz coached at Iowa for eight seasons, so he was not the complete unkown that Trestman was. Ferentz also coached college (100 yards and 11 man football). He was not an unknown.

#2: Whoever said that "well that is just opinion", well the OP really asked people for their opinion. He wanted to know why people weren't comfortable with the notion of Trestman as their new coach, and they gave him their opinions. Welcome to a message board!


Now, as to the original question about why people are skeptical of Trestman, here is why I am...

First off, he has very limited experience in the college game. The experience he does have was a failure at NC State. He failed at NC State to a similar degree of how Fisch failed here. His offenses were horrendous and he drew tons of ridicule from their fanbase. After he left NC State he was unemployed to only end up coaching in the CFL.

Second, he would never be considered by another school besides MN and he would only be considered here because he is from here. His only real credentials that make him attractive to MN and not to a single other school are that he was raised in the Cities. That shouldn't be enough to seperate you from the multiple coaching candidates.

So to summarize what i'm saying....

-Very limited college coaching experience
-His years in the college game were atrocious
-Only HC experience is a completely different variety than what he would walk into at the U. I have no way of knowing if he could manage 100 18-22 yr old kids and shape them into a football team, but he has zero track record.
-We are hiring, so the question shouldn't be "why not Trestman?", it should be "Why Trestman?". If the answer to that question is "I have had success in the CFL and from MN" that really doesn't seem sufficient to me.
 


everybody knows my name said:
So the problems with Trestman are

1. "He has been out of the college game now since 1986. Most people don't count the one year he was at North Carolina State." So his head-coaching success has come somewhere other than in the college game.
2. "Trestman has never been a head coach in American football." So apparently he writes his playbook in Chinese. And it's a problem that he works in the CFL now because it's proof that what, he can't make adjustments?
3. "Nomadic ways...three year hiatus" You're afraid he won't pay off his 30-year mortgage, or he'll go on a pilgrimage to Tibet after three years.

Come on, persuade me. Give me something better to work with! So far he still looks pretty good to me.
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1) he bores the GH elite thinkers.
2) he bores the GH low brow thinkers.
3) Who knows him besides the few on GH?
4) We are looking for a proven commodity, not an unknown. As in, he has no college football experience of any real duration recently to prove his ability. Pro sports don't count as college time as a head coach. Hard to measure the impact of the coach on developing talent and recruiting talent over the long term. No statistical correlation with the pro game. As there is no statistic that is either valid or reliable to compare, he is eliminated right off the bat.
5) Do we need to go beyond this?
6) Only his close personal supporters are rallying behind him. He has no reach beyond this inner circle so his influential reach is -.89 on the correlation scale of influential reach to ticket buyers. A clear opposite reaction to what we want. My estimate. The more people hear his name, the more they want to wrech.
7) Do I need to go beyond 6?
 

Oneoldgopher said:
1) he bores the GH elite thinkers.
2) he bores the GH low brow thinkers.
3) Who knows him besides the few on GH?
4) We are looking for a proven commodity, not an unknown. As in, he has no college football experience of any real duration recently to prove his ability. Pro sports don't count as college time as a head coach. Hard to measure the impact of the coach on developing talent and recruiting talent over the long term. No statistical correlation with the pro game. As there is no statistic that is either valid or reliable to compare, he is eliminated right off the bat.
5) Do we need to go beyond this?
6) Only his close personal supporters are rallying behind him. He has no reach beyond this inner circle so his influential reach is -.89 on the correlation scale of influential reach to ticket buyers. A clear opposite reaction to what we want. My estimate. The more people hear his name, the more they want to wrech.
7) Do I need to go beyond 6?
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You had me at #1
 



At least tell the truth

Sept. 12, 2005

Raleigh, N.C. - If Marc Trestman's track record is indicative of things to come, NC State's offense could be in for a heck of a 2005 season.

The Wolfpack's new offensive coordinator, Trestman has spent 21 years in coaching, almost all of it as either a quarterbacks coach and/or offensive coordinator, mostly in the National Football League. Trestman has overseen some prolific offenses, and some of the game's greatest players have had their best seasons in Trestman's presence.

Asked about the success stories that seem to have followed him around, the rail-thin Trestman just shrugs and attributes it to good fortune.

"I've always felt like I've been at the right place at the right time," he says. "I've been really lucky to be around some good coaches and some good players."

Trestman began his coaching career in 1981 as a volunteer coach at the University of Miami. Two years later, at age 25, he was named Miami's quarterbacks coach. Hurricanes quarterback Bernie Kosar responded with 2,329 yards passing, and Miami defeated Nebraska 31-30 in the Orange Bowl to claim the 1983 national championship. A year later, Kosar set school records for pass completions with 262 and passing yards with 3,642, records that still stand at UM, and also threw 25 touchdown passes, fourth most in school history.

After three seasons with mediocre teams in Minnesota (1985-86) and Tampa Bay (1987), Trestman reunited with Kosar in 1988 as the Cleveland Browns' quarterbacks coach. Kosar passed for 1,890 yards that season and the Browns finished 10-6 and advanced to the AFC playoffs. A year later, the Browns promoted Trestman to offensive coordinator, and Kosar and wide receiver Webster Slaughter led Cleveland to the AFC championship game. Kosar passed for 3,533 yards and 18 TDs, and Slaughter set a franchise record with 1,236 receiving yards.

In 1990, Trestman returned to his native Minnesota and the Vikings, but two more unproductive seasons with the Vikings led Trestman to leave coaching and go to work as a municipal bonds broker.

"I got out of football to start a family and was really planning on staying out of it," Trestman says. "But Mike Shanahan winds up leaving San Francisco to go to Denver as head coach [in 1995] and I got a call out of nowhere from [then-49ers head coach] George Seifert. I flew out there and said if I'm supposed to be coaching Steve Young and Jerry Rice right now, I'm going to do it. You never pass this way again, and it worked out really well."

San Francisco was a rebirth for Trestman as a football coach. Working as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator with the 49ers not only marked his return after three years away from the game, it also was his first experience with the West Coast offense.

"When I went there," Trestman says, "Coach Seifert said, `I want you to forget about what you know about football and start from scratch.' I went back and watched [on tape] Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren and Mike Shanahan install the offense, and I went to George and said, `I can do this. I'll do it. I can lock in and focus in and do it.' It was a great learning process for me."

In Trestman's first year with the defending Super Bowl champions, the 49ers led the NFL with 457 points scored, 644 pass attempts and 4,779 passing yards. They also ranked second with 391.1 total yards per game. Jerry Rice set an NFL record that still stands with 1,848 yards receiving on 122 catches, and scored 15 touchdowns. Recently inducted Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young made the Pro Bowl after throwing for 3,200 yards and 20 TDs.

Seifert was shown the door by 49ers ownership following the 1996 season, and Trestman was unceremoniously dumped in the process. He didn't stay unemployed long. Bobby Ross hired Trestman to be the Detroit Lions' quarterbacks coach for 1997, and the Lions, not surprisingly, had one of the most dynamic offenses in the league. With Scott Mitchell at quarterback, the '97 Lions passed for 3,484 yards, second most in team history. And while Trestman was only the quarterbacks coach, the Lions offense also featured a tailback named Barry Sanders who rushed for 2,053 yards that year, the third-most ever in NFL annals.

Following the '97 season, Trestman was on the move again, to the Arizona Cardinals as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. The Cardinals, who averaged five wins and 242 points a year the previous decade, won nine games and scored 325 points in 1998. Quarterback Jake Plummer passed for 3,737 yards, and the Cardinals made the playoffs for the first time since 1982 and won their first postseason game in 51 years.

Injuries and free-agent defections derailed Arizona the next two years, but Trestman resurfaced in Oakland in 2001 as the Raiders' quarterbacks coach. In 2002 he ascended to offensive coordinator, and the Raiders terrorized defenses throughout the league.

The 2002 Oakland Raiders led the NFL in total offense with 389.8 yards per game and passing yards with 279.7 per game. They completed 418 of 618 pass attempts for 67.6 percent. Quarterback Rich Gannon had 10 games of 300 or more yards passing, and at one point completed 21 consecutive passes in a game. The Raiders became the first team in league history to win a game by throwing more than 60 passes (65 vs. Pittsburgh) and running 60 times (60 carries vs. Kansas City). The 2002 Raiders had three players with more than 90 catches -- Jerry Rice (106), Charlie Garner (108) and Tim Brown (94).

"Marc Trestman has done an outstanding job," former Raiders coach Bill Callahan said. "I credit him with a lot of our success. I can't even begin to describe how far his depth goes in terms of knowledge of the game. He's a brilliant coach."

The Raiders, who lost to Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl, led the league with 450 points that season, and outscored their opponents by 144 points, helping Trestman develop a reputation for stepping on the gas and not sitting on a lead.

"The thing I like about Marc is his aggressiveness," Gannon said. "I feel like he's always in attack mode, and as players, we respond to that."

Trestman spent the 2004 season with the Miami Dolphins, then returned to the college ranks this season after the entire Miami coaching staff was let go following the '04 season. He had an offer from the New Orleans Saints, but agreed to join the Wolfpack a week before national signing day last February.

"Probably the guy we had to fight the hardest to get was Marc Trestman," Wolfpack coach Chuck Amato said on signing day. "That was the biggest fish we got. That was the biggest recruit we got in this allotment."

Big fish or not, Trestman brings an impressive and extensive resume with him to Raleigh, but he isn't much for predictions or tooting his own horn. You won't hear any bold statements coming from him about what to expect from the Wolfpack offense in 2005. He says only that things went well in spring practice and in August camp, and that the Wolfpack will do whatever it takes to move the football.

So Wolfpack fans will have to wait until tonight's game against Virginia Tech to see Trestman's impact on the offense. Based on his past performances, though, it should be worth the wait.

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Now that crappy NC State stop you guys rip on....they won 5 of their last 6 games and went to a bowl and won it.

He wins wherever he goes. National college championship, Offensive Coordinator led Browns to AFC Championship game, OC 49ers led NFL in points scored, Lions QB coach led QB to 2nd most passing yards in team history, OC Cardinals first playoffs in 16 years, OC Raiders led NFL in total offense and played in the Super Bowl, Grey Cup title in Canada

I know you aren't old enough to know that Bud Grant was the best football coach ever in Minnesota. He came from the Canadian Football League without Trestman's background of prior success. The idea it is meaningless is just ignorant. Trestman's learning curve was adapting to the CFL not the other way around. The fact he was able to achieve success not knowing the CFL tells me he could figure out college football. He has already shown he can do that offensively.

Is he my first choice? No! But he is certainly ahead of Hoke and Edsall who have proven incompetence among some others and several who have proven nothing with one decent year in their career.

Don't just howl at the moon. Give the guy a reason. Recruiting is one unknown. The idea he maybe can't teach is obviously invalid based on the fact he wins or at least has offensive success wherever he goes. He knows offensive football inside and out. As such, he knows defense from the perspective of how to exploit one. Does he have any idea how to stop the other guy? He is smart but the answer to that is an unknown. But so is it with Sumlin and some of these other guys.
 


Simply put, we don't want a guy that has not been a head coach in college. We already had the experience of a guy trying to piece together a staff (beyond the assistant coaches). This is a GM job, CEO, and a coaching job. It is not at all like coaching the pros.

Trestman has had some success, but not as a head man in college.

As for the Bud Grant thing, the NFL and CFL were far more alike in the 1960s than they are today. The only difference back then were the rules. The CFL players were NFL-caliber; there were far less teams to play for. Bud Grant would have been likely been a terrible college coach, based on what we now know about his experiences at the U (never attending class, getting paid).

But who knows? I'm not against Trestman on his background, it's a personality thing. He's flighty and aloof. Don't want that either.
 

60's Guy, What awesome bowl did the Wolfpack play in that year and how many points did they score? How many points did that kick ass offense average that year? How many times did they score over 25 points a game? That 2005 Wolfpack did not win because of Marc Trestman. Do me a favor and look at their defense before you start giving credit to Marc Trestman for NC ST winning 5 of 6. Mario Williams and Manny Lawson, should maybe get credit for that before Trestman. Why is he coaching in an eight team league in Canada?
 



-Minimal college experience that was unsuccessful and no American head coaching experience. This is a HUGE negative and cannot be ignored.

-ZERO pull with recruits, even in MN. This is a HUGE negative and cannot be washed away by a recruiting coordinator.

-Never staying at a job for longer then 3-4 years. This is a red flag that cannot simply be ignored.

-Would not even be considered as a passing thought by any major college football program outside of MN. This by itself should not be a disqualifier, but it IS a giant red flag. Even Brew was on other schools list of finalists. If Trestman were from Florida and had the exact same resume, he would never be considered. Why should he be considered now?

-Has not even coached the American version of football for 5 years. There would be rust.

-Would go over like a lead balloon with the ticket-buying public. Empty seats would sky-rocket. This cannot be ignored.

-Would go over like a lead balloon with all the media who are not Marc's close personal friends. This may happen no matter what, but it doesn't help.

-Under the current circumstances, the U cannot AFFORD to make an 'outside the box, against the grain' hire. We did that with Brew, we can't afford to do it twice in a row. We NEED someone who's proven. This is not Trestman's fault, but it does disqualify him from consideration, on top of everything above.
 

If they were ever going to hire him, it should have been 4 years ago. Trestman just doesn't have anything on his resume that suggests he could run a college football program.
 

I don't think anybody "hates" him. I'm sure he's a fine CFL coach. There is just little reason to think that he is the right person for this job. We don't have to prove that he is the wrong coach, the burden is on those who think he is the right coach. Take a look at any of the other coaches being considered, their supporters are able to give you reasons why their favorite should be the next coach of the Gophers. It's telling that Trestman supporters don't have anything better than "prove he's not the right coach".

Coaching college football is quite different than coaching professional football. There are aspects to the college game that aren't part of the pro game. I'm not referring to just the X's and O's. There are a lot of college coaches who fail in the pros and vice versa.

"Sour grapes" refers to dismissing something you can't have. Our position on Trestman would only be sour grapes if we really did want him, but were dismissing him as a potential coach because we couldn't have him.

We are not your trained monkeys. If you don't like our reasons, too bad, but you have been given reasons. If you want to persuade us why Trestman is the right choice, then go ahead, make the case. But we don't have to jump through hoops for you.
 

Dungy did not endorse Trestman.

Dungy was asked specifically about himself and Trestman. It's commonly presented out of context to appear as if Dungy proposed Trestman's name. What he as saying is that if the choice was between Dungy and Trestman, that the Gophers had better go after Trestman, because Dungy was uninterested.
 



Here are a few stats highlighting Trestman's tenure at NC State:

Total offense, 2004 (the year before Trestman arrived)
86 nationwide, 7 out of 11 in the ACC

Total offense, 2005
85 nationwide, 10 out of 12 in the ACC

Total offense, 2006
101 nationwide, 10 out of 12 in the ACC

If you like Trestman, you'll love Jedd Fisch.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics
 

60's Guy said:
Sept. 12, 2005

Raleigh, N.C. - If Marc Trestman's track record is indicative of things to come, NC State's offense could be in for a heck of a 2005 season.

The Wolfpack's new offensive coordinator, Trestman has spent 21 years in coaching, almost all of it as either a quarterbacks coach and/or offensive coordinator, mostly in the National Football League. Trestman has overseen some prolific offenses, and some of the game's greatest players have had their best seasons in Trestman's presence.

Asked about the success stories that seem to have followed him around, the rail-thin Trestman just shrugs and attributes it to good fortune.

"I've always felt like I've been at the right place at the right time," he says. "I've been really lucky to be around some good coaches and some good players."

Trestman began his coaching career in 1981 as a volunteer coach at the University of Miami. Two years later, at age 25, he was named Miami's quarterbacks coach. Hurricanes quarterback Bernie Kosar responded with 2,329 yards passing, and Miami defeated Nebraska 31-30 in the Orange Bowl to claim the 1983 national championship. A year later, Kosar set school records for pass completions with 262 and passing yards with 3,642, records that still stand at UM, and also threw 25 touchdown passes, fourth most in school history.

After three seasons with mediocre teams in Minnesota (1985-86) and Tampa Bay (1987), Trestman reunited with Kosar in 1988 as the Cleveland Browns' quarterbacks coach. Kosar passed for 1,890 yards that season and the Browns finished 10-6 and advanced to the AFC playoffs. A year later, the Browns promoted Trestman to offensive coordinator, and Kosar and wide receiver Webster Slaughter led Cleveland to the AFC championship game. Kosar passed for 3,533 yards and 18 TDs, and Slaughter set a franchise record with 1,236 receiving yards.

In 1990, Trestman returned to his native Minnesota and the Vikings, but two more unproductive seasons with the Vikings led Trestman to leave coaching and go to work as a municipal bonds broker.

"I got out of football to start a family and was really planning on staying out of it," Trestman says. "But Mike Shanahan winds up leaving San Francisco to go to Denver as head coach [in 1995] and I got a call out of nowhere from [then-49ers head coach] George Seifert. I flew out there and said if I'm supposed to be coaching Steve Young and Jerry Rice right now, I'm going to do it. You never pass this way again, and it worked out really well."

San Francisco was a rebirth for Trestman as a football coach. Working as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator with the 49ers not only marked his return after three years away from the game, it also was his first experience with the West Coast offense.

"When I went there," Trestman says, "Coach Seifert said, `I want you to forget about what you know about football and start from scratch.' I went back and watched [on tape] Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren and Mike Shanahan install the offense, and I went to George and said, `I can do this. I'll do it. I can lock in and focus in and do it.' It was a great learning process for me."

In Trestman's first year with the defending Super Bowl champions, the 49ers led the NFL with 457 points scored, 644 pass attempts and 4,779 passing yards. They also ranked second with 391.1 total yards per game. Jerry Rice set an NFL record that still stands with 1,848 yards receiving on 122 catches, and scored 15 touchdowns. Recently inducted Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young made the Pro Bowl after throwing for 3,200 yards and 20 TDs.

Seifert was shown the door by 49ers ownership following the 1996 season, and Trestman was unceremoniously dumped in the process. He didn't stay unemployed long. Bobby Ross hired Trestman to be the Detroit Lions' quarterbacks coach for 1997, and the Lions, not surprisingly, had one of the most dynamic offenses in the league. With Scott Mitchell at quarterback, the '97 Lions passed for 3,484 yards, second most in team history. And while Trestman was only the quarterbacks coach, the Lions offense also featured a tailback named Barry Sanders who rushed for 2,053 yards that year, the third-most ever in NFL annals.

Following the '97 season, Trestman was on the move again, to the Arizona Cardinals as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. The Cardinals, who averaged five wins and 242 points a year the previous decade, won nine games and scored 325 points in 1998. Quarterback Jake Plummer passed for 3,737 yards, and the Cardinals made the playoffs for the first time since 1982 and won their first postseason game in 51 years.

Injuries and free-agent defections derailed Arizona the next two years, but Trestman resurfaced in Oakland in 2001 as the Raiders' quarterbacks coach. In 2002 he ascended to offensive coordinator, and the Raiders terrorized defenses throughout the league.

The 2002 Oakland Raiders led the NFL in total offense with 389.8 yards per game and passing yards with 279.7 per game. They completed 418 of 618 pass attempts for 67.6 percent. Quarterback Rich Gannon had 10 games of 300 or more yards passing, and at one point completed 21 consecutive passes in a game. The Raiders became the first team in league history to win a game by throwing more than 60 passes (65 vs. Pittsburgh) and running 60 times (60 carries vs. Kansas City). The 2002 Raiders had three players with more than 90 catches -- Jerry Rice (106), Charlie Garner (108) and Tim Brown (94).

"Marc Trestman has done an outstanding job," former Raiders coach Bill Callahan said. "I credit him with a lot of our success. I can't even begin to describe how far his depth goes in terms of knowledge of the game. He's a brilliant coach."

The Raiders, who lost to Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl, led the league with 450 points that season, and outscored their opponents by 144 points, helping Trestman develop a reputation for stepping on the gas and not sitting on a lead.

"The thing I like about Marc is his aggressiveness," Gannon said. "I feel like he's always in attack mode, and as players, we respond to that."

Trestman spent the 2004 season with the Miami Dolphins, then returned to the college ranks this season after the entire Miami coaching staff was let go following the '04 season. He had an offer from the New Orleans Saints, but agreed to join the Wolfpack a week before national signing day last February.

"Probably the guy we had to fight the hardest to get was Marc Trestman," Wolfpack coach Chuck Amato said on signing day. "That was the biggest fish we got. That was the biggest recruit we got in this allotment."

Big fish or not, Trestman brings an impressive and extensive resume with him to Raleigh, but he isn't much for predictions or tooting his own horn. You won't hear any bold statements coming from him about what to expect from the Wolfpack offense in 2005. He says only that things went well in spring practice and in August camp, and that the Wolfpack will do whatever it takes to move the football.

So Wolfpack fans will have to wait until tonight's game against Virginia Tech to see Trestman's impact on the offense. Based on his past performances, though, it should be worth the wait.

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Now that crappy NC State stop you guys rip on....they won 5 of their last 6 games and went to a bowl and won it.

He wins wherever he goes. National college championship, Offensive Coordinator led Browns to AFC Championship game, OC 49ers led NFL in points scored, Lions QB coach led QB to 2nd most passing yards in team history, OC Cardinals first playoffs in 16 years, OC Raiders led NFL in total offense and played in the Super Bowl, Grey Cup title in Canada

I know you aren't old enough to know that Bud Grant was the best football coach ever in Minnesota. He came from the Canadian Football League without Trestman's background of prior success. The idea it is meaningless is just ignorant. Trestman's learning curve was adapting to the CFL not the other way around. The fact he was able to achieve success not knowing the CFL tells me he could figure out college football. He has already shown he can do that offensively.

Is he my first choice? No! But he is certainly ahead of Hoke and Edsall who have proven incompetence among some others and several who have proven nothing with one decent year in their career.

Don't just howl at the moon. Give the guy a reason. Recruiting is one unknown. The idea he maybe can't teach is obviously invalid based on the fact he wins or at least has offensive success wherever he goes. He knows offensive football inside and out. As such, he knows defense from the perspective of how to exploit one. Does he have any idea how to stop the other guy? He is smart but the answer to that is an unknown. But so is it with Sumlin and some of these other guys.
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This article that you posted is about Trestman was posted as he was hired. The people (myself included) who said he has done a terrible job in college have been posting the truth, he did. This writer of this article just had absolutely no way of telling the future. The same Chuck Amato that "fought so hard" to get Trestman was fired less than 18 months later, despite having a pretty decent defense. The reason for his firing: one of the worst BCS offenses in the nation. That Wolfpack team (2006) lost 5 games that they allowed 21 points or less. They went 3-9 that season and Chuck Amato was shown the door and one of the main reasons why was that their offense under Marc Trestman was extremely Jedd Fisch-esque.

Now statistically, he was terrible at NC State. Both of his NC State teams had worse offenses than the Gophers (way less yards and less points).

Most people have said the same thing about him, he has very little experience in the college game and the experience that he does have went pretty bad. That is factual. I don't think any of us really were guessing how he'd do as an OC in the pro game, just like Fisch might end up being a decent NFL coach, I don't know.
 

Facts have an obvious anti-Trestman bias. Just an FYI. :rolleyes:
 

i'm not sure that not holding a job for more than three years is necessarily a bad thing.

also, the personal attacks against this guy are not all that classy. i know that coaching 'notboard' meme is that a trestman hire would signal the end of gopher football as we know it, but i am willing to give trestman a shot if he is the last guy standing at the end of the day.

he is not my top choice, but i would be interested to see what he could do.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Me too. Not sure we ever butted heads with the Warriors of Wheaton, those jerks from Chokio-Alberta always got in the way.
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The Spartans of Chokio-Alberta. Our biggest rivals were always the C-G-B Wolverines, but they were less competition while I was still in high school. The Spartans always played tough against us!
 

RodentRampage said:
We are not your trained monkeys. If you don't like our reasons, too bad, but you have been given reasons. If you want to persuade us why Trestman is the right choice, then go ahead, make the case. But we don't have to jump through hoops for you.
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Exactly. The guy asks for opinions as to why people are not in favor of a Trestman hire, he's given voluminous opinions by a variety of posters as to why they'd be against that, and then when those opinions don't jibe with his own he immediately pooh-poohs and dismisses those opinions out of hand, so why even bother trying to answer his 'question'? He's not looking for answers, he's looking for argument, and seemingly based on nothing at all, because there's nothing in Trestman's resume that could lend credence to the fact that he could be a great college head coach.

So screw it, I've got better things to do.
 


Wow...resurrecting this after a whole week. Someone needs to feel important...
 

everybody knows my name said:
Your reasons sucked. That isn't my fault. :p
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Because he has almost zero experience at the college level and the only experience he does have was so brutal that it got the head coach fired. His NC State offenses were about on par with Fisch's offense. Why not Jed Fisch?
 

Seany said:
Trestman has never been a head coach in American football, and has not coached in the college game since 1984, so let me ask you, what kind of credibility does he have to offer to a college team desperately needing a coach who can make us viable again, and what kind of credibility and selling points about himself would he have to offer to recruits?

You combine that with his nomadic ways (never been at any job for longer than 3 years), and the three year hiatus he took completely away from football, and the fact he's coaching in the CFL right now, and just have to wonder why? Why would this guy even remotely be considered an acceptable hire here?
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Trestman has more to offer prospective recruits than anyone else on the U's "supposed" list. Ever wonder why Tim Tebow paid Trestman to prepare him to be an NFL qb? Because the man knows how how to coach. Period. Look at Rich Gannon, Jake Plummer, Scott Mitchell, Bernie Kosar, the list goes on. Under Trestman, all of these quarterbacks had career years and their teams were successful. By the way, last week Trestman won his second consecutive Grey Cup (CFL's superbowl).

I would imagine any sought after recruit (whose goal is likely to make it to the NFL) would realize that Trestman has over 20 years of experience as an NFL coordinator and knows what it takes to mold NFL talent. Trestman has many contacts in the area and all around the nation and is respected by anyone who is asked (ie. Tony Dungy). He is an honest man who actually cares about players and not just $$ like the other coaches we are going after. He is a Minnesota guy, suggesting that he actually cares about the program. Maybe the boosters and ex-players are on to something and we shouldn't simply dismiss them and believe Maturi and Bruininks have all of the answers (sure has worked out well so far..). Maturi won't give Trestman a fair shot because he knows the ex-players want Trestman and these players want Maturi out. Even Dungy, Maturi's self-proclaimed voice of the ex-players suggested we go after Trestman.

All that being said, Trestman would never come here. Not because he doesn't want the job, but because he would never work for an idiot like Maturi, who will be gone soon and doesn't really care about the program's future. Maturi wants to hire a big name to get people excited about the program and to keep heat off of himself. From what I hear, he is being turned down left and right. Maturi deserves credit for TCF bank stadium, and an equal amount of credit for the stadium being 1/2 filled on Saturdays.

Don't be surprised when Maturi hires some mediocre coach few of us have heard of because he can't get any of his A, B, or C choices.

We need an AD that coaches respect and want to work for! Not a Notre Dame grad who will be gone in a year!

Let's hear it haters...
 

confusedgopher said:
Trestman has more to offer prospective recruits than anyone else on the U's "supposed" list. Ever wonder why Tim Tebow paid Trestman to prepare him to be an NFL qb? Because the man knows how how to coach. Period. Look at Rich Gannon, Jake Plummer, Scott Mitchell, Bernie Kosar, the list goes on. Under Trestman, all of these quarterbacks had career years and their teams were successful. By the way, last week Trestman won his second consecutive Grey Cup (CFL's superbowl).

I would imagine any sought after recruit (whose goal is likely to make it to the NFL) would realize that Trestman has over 20 years of experience as an NFL coordinator and knows what it takes to mold NFL talent. Trestman has many contacts in the area and all around the nation and is respected by anyone who is asked (ie. Tony Dungy). He is an honest man who actually cares about players and not just $$ like the other coaches we are going after. He is a Minnesota guy, suggesting that he actually cares about the program. Maybe the boosters and ex-players are on to something and we shouldn't simply dismiss them and believe Maturi and Bruininks have all of the answers (sure has worked out well so far..). Maturi won't give Trestman a fair shot because he knows the ex-players want Trestman and these players want Maturi out. Even Dungy, Maturi's self-proclaimed voice of the ex-players suggested we go after Trestman.

All that being said, Trestman would never come here. Not because he doesn't want the job, but because he would never work for an idiot like Maturi, who will be gone soon and doesn't really care about the program's future. Maturi wants to hire a big name to get people excited about the program and to keep heat off of himself. From what I hear, he is being turned down left and right. Maturi deserves credit for TCF bank stadium, and an equal amount of credit for the stadium being 1/2 filled on Saturdays.

Don't be surprised when Maturi hires some mediocre coach few of us have heard of because he can't get any of his A, B, or C choices.

We need an AD that coaches respect and want to work for! Not a Notre Dame grad who will be gone in a year!

Let's hear it haters...
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You know, I really don't think Trestman is that bad of a candidate. I wouldn't be upset with hiring him but I wouldn't be excited either. He does have some head coaching experience but not at the college level which I see being a problem for the guys running this search and the fans. The guy is probably a great football mind but I'm not sure we can take a gamble on a guy with no college head coaching experience because it's different than coaching in the NFL/CFL. Should be interesting to see what happens.
 

I keep hearing from certain people that the only legitimate knock on Trestman is he doesn't have recruiting experience recently.

Is his inability to hold a job for longer than 4 years at any point in his coaching career not a "legitimate gripe" with Trestman?
Is the fact that he left many of his jobs by way of being fired, released, or not retained from his many jobs a high percentage of the time (as opposed for leaving by his own choice) a "legitimate gripe?"

Just curious, but are these legitimate gripes for not wanting Trestman? Or is it just me concerned by this?
Recruiting is a distant 5th in the reasons why I don't want Trestman, behind the two I just asked about, and also the lack of College Head Coaching experience, and the lack of success at his last stop at the college level (NCSU).
 

Maturi has stated that he is going to hire a successful COLLEGE coach.
He will not look like a fool and hire Trestman.
 

confusedgopher said:
Trestman has more to offer prospective recruits than anyone else on the U's "supposed" list. Ever wonder why Tim Tebow paid Trestman to prepare him to be an NFL qb? Because the man knows how how to coach. Period. Look at Rich Gannon, Jake Plummer, Scott Mitchell, Bernie Kosar, the list goes on. Under Trestman, all of these quarterbacks had career years and their teams were successful. By the way, last week Trestman won his second consecutive Grey Cup (CFL's superbowl).

I would imagine any sought after recruit (whose goal is likely to make it to the NFL) would realize that Trestman has over 20 years of experience as an NFL coordinator and knows what it takes to mold NFL talent. Trestman has many contacts in the area and all around the nation and is respected by anyone who is asked (ie. Tony Dungy). He is an honest man who actually cares about players and not just $$ like the other coaches we are going after. He is a Minnesota guy, suggesting that he actually cares about the program. Maybe the boosters and ex-players are on to something and we shouldn't simply dismiss them and believe Maturi and Bruininks have all of the answers (sure has worked out well so far..). Maturi won't give Trestman a fair shot because he knows the ex-players want Trestman and these players want Maturi out. Even Dungy, Maturi's self-proclaimed voice of the ex-players suggested we go after Trestman.

All that being said, Trestman would never come here. Not because he doesn't want the job, but because he would never work for an idiot like Maturi, who will be gone soon and doesn't really care about the program's future. Maturi wants to hire a big name to get people excited about the program and to keep heat off of himself. From what I hear, he is being turned down left and right. Maturi deserves credit for TCF bank stadium, and an equal amount of credit for the stadium being 1/2 filled on Saturdays.

Don't be surprised when Maturi hires some mediocre coach few of us have heard of because he can't get any of his A, B, or C choices.

We need an AD that coaches respect and want to work for! Not a Notre Dame grad who will be gone in a year!

Let's hear it haters...
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A lot of good pro coaches flopped in college. It's not about being a hater, in fact that term doesn't really apply to this scenario. But anyways, it's almost impossible to find an offensive coordinator who did a worse job in college than Trestman at NC State. He is probably the single reason why they fired their head coach. In Trestman's years, their defense had a lot of talent and they simply had a dead fisch (pun intended) of an offense. His team regressed in his second season. Why do you ignore his colossal failure at NC State?

You can list NFL players who succeeded under Trestman if you want but you could do the same thing with Jedd Fisch (Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, Steve McNair, etc.). If you can't coach or if your coaching doesn't fit into the college game (cough*Bill Callahn*cough) than it won't matter what your NFL pedigree is.
 

Are we talking about hiring a coordinator or a head coach? All this criticism of Trestman for his stint as an OC holds less water when you look at his work for the last three years as a head coach in Montreal. And yes, I do take Trestman's work in Montreal as a sign that he knows how to head coach, even in the completely foreign world of the college game.
 

everybody knows my name said:
Are we talking about hiring a coordinator or a head coach? All this criticism of Trestman for his stint as an OC holds less water when you look at his work for the last three years as a head coach in Montreal. And yes, I do take Trestman's work in Montreal as a sign that he knows how to head coach, even in the completely foreign world of the college game.
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It might have been beneficial to his resume and chances if he showed signs of knowing how to offensive coach at the college level.
Trying to convince you Trestman is not the right guy is like trying to convince an Evangelical Christian that abortion is a good idea...it's not worth the effort or time.
 


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