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Bethel got destroyed on Saturday and St Johns is the only hope MIAC has at this point. Bemidji State is all that’s left in NSIC.
 




MplsGopher said:
When U of San Diego had Harbaugh as head coach (yeah, the guy now at Michigan), they were actually pretty good for FCS level. Had a very fast QB, from what I recall. Was kinda fluke thing, but it has happened.
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Harbaugh coached at San Diego State not U of San Diego. Very different schools.
 



State of Football said:
Harbaugh coached at San Diego State not U of San Diego. Very different schools.
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It's very confusing. There's San Diego State, University of San Diego, and UC San Diego. The latter of the three has no football team.
 





State of Football said:
Agreed. University of San Diego is the most "academic" of the 3 I believe.
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No, USD is a lot like St Thomas. Rich, Catholic private school.

SD State is like Makato State.

UC San Diego is a world class research university, like the U.
 






Bob_Loblaw said:
St. Thomas will be in the Missouri Valley in 5-10 years.
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It will be interesting when their provisional DI status is over, I think, in 2025... It wouldn't surprise me if St. Thomas doesn't get asked to move on from the Pioneer League by then.

I agree, they'll be in the Missouri Valley Conference, eventually... maybe even sooner rather than later. Also, every year a couple of dozen Minnesota players go to play football at NDSU... I think they've got over 30 MN kids this season. Once St. Thomas moves up, can they siphon off some or even most of those MN players going to NDSU? I sure hope so!
 

OK .... so then, let's try this again:

how is St Thomas going to add 63 scholarships for male student-athletes -- that's the maximum in FCS football, and I'm pretty sure there is a requirement to be near that maximum in the MVFC. If not an explicit requirement, then tacitly, they won't add anyone who isn't fully committed to being near that every season.


You can't just say "they'll do it". They can't "just do it", without some very expensive and/or painful moves.


UST already offers all 9 of the men's sports in the Summit League, plus hockey and football, and already offers all 10 of the women's sports in the Summit League, plus hockey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summit_League#Sponsored_sports
 

One, I guess, "easy" route the could go down, is to add women's rowing.

But that alone isn't going to get it done.

Will need more women's sports, if they don't want to cut any men's sports:
lacrosse
field hockey? (big with Eastern schools, and NW just won natty in it)
skiing?
beach volleyball?
bowling? (yes, this is NCAA sponsored)
equestrian? (South Dakota St has a program)
 

They could add women’s lacrosse which no one locally has outside of club sports.
 

For St. Thomas's marketing (face it, this is what college football is all about), what advantage is gained from playing much more expensive scholarship football in the Missouri Valley over the Pioneer League? Do Duquesne, Merrimack and Incarnate Word (scholarship FCS catholic schools) get significantly more notoriety than Dayton, Drake, San Diego, Butler, etc.? Unless the school wants to move to FBS, it seems like basketball is what drives notoriety for the smaller schools.
 
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Tommyboy said:
Makes sense, all of the Pioneer League teams have good Div 1 BB teams. The majority of the FB teams in the Pioneer League are a joke, they are throwing 5 interceptions per game. This UST coach is in the same scenario as he was in the MIAC, but now he can tell recruits they are playing Div 1 ball, when in reality they are playing non scholarship Div III football. The school markets Div I football and does not have to pay the players anything, seems like a pretty good deal for the school.
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They actually play non-scholarship FCS football, because they will eventually be eligible for FCS playoffs. Their eventual basketball rivals are all in the MVC for football, so that seems like a logical step.
 


Tommyboy said:
The question is does UST have the money and desire to pump that much money into a program that gets on average 2-3 thousand per game. NDSU plays in a state funded stadium and I believe the team looses money every year. SCSU should bring a team back.
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No, they don’t.

UST is in the pioneer league because they want to be d1 basketball without dropping football.
 

Tommyboy said:
The question is does UST have the money and desire to pump that much money into a program that gets on average 2-3 thousand per game. NDSU plays in a state funded stadium and I believe the team looses money every year. SCSU should bring a team back.
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SCSU had under 100 season tickets. School enrollment is dropping. The program was bleeding money and had no support locally. Why on earth would they bring that back after cutting it?

From the St. Cloud Times:
“There were 58 football season ticket holders this fall. In the last three years, the average Huskies football game drew between 1,000 and 1,300 spectators”

D2 football is going the way of the dodo bird
 

Tommyboy said:
They have a nice stadium and the school is centrally located. They should have moved up with the rest of their old conference to Div I the right coach might have been able to make it happen. The NDSU QB coach was the head SCSU coach for a number of years and got fired. That worked out well for him.
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I agree they should have gone D1, but ship has sailed.
 


Tommyboy said:
The question is does UST have the money and desire to pump that much money into a program that gets on average 2-3 thousand per game. NDSU plays in a state funded stadium and I believe the team looses money every year. SCSU should bring a team back.
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Yes, they do.
 

3399 said:
MSU Mankato should be looking to go D1. Raise the visibility of the university. Eventually, apply to join the MAC. Would be a good move for them. Could eventually be a good move for the state.
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I'm not sure if they have the kind of deep pockets to make that move, they'd likely lose money for awhile. I think St. Thomas is fine losing some money as they go through this shift.
 

There are a few DI hockey schools, that should look at dropping football and focusing on hockey + DI basketball.

Like Omaha did.
 

FormerFatOL said:
For St. Thomas's marketing (face it, this is what college football is all about), what advantage is gained from playing much more expensive scholarship football in the Missouri Valley over the Pioneer League? Do Duquesne, Merrimack and Incarnate Word (scholarship FCS catholic schools) get significantly more notoriety than Dayton, Drake, San Diego, Butler, etc.? Unless the school wants to move to FBS, it seems like basketball is what drives notoriety for the smaller schools.
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All u need is one solid run in March Madness to put your school on the map of the collective national consciousness
 

3399 said:
MSU Mankato should be looking to go D1. Raise the visibility of the university. Eventually, apply to join the MAC. Would be a good move for them. Could eventually be a good move for the state.
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Mankato is the only public program in the state that could realistically go D1/FCS. But they'd have to get a big infusion of cash, and probably a revamped stadium. The MnSCU system has been bleeding money for a while now - that money won't come from the state.

It's the fourth largest system of higher learning in the country (and remember, that's separate from the U of M system), and we're 22nd in population. I don't know how long that can be sustainable.

Enrollment is dropping at every one of the state universities with the exception of Mankato, which has by far the nicest campus and best college town setting. St. Cloud is an absolute dump of a city, as is Moorhead (though Fargo is nice). Full disclosure, I graduated from MSU-Moorhead. Enrollment is quite literally half of what it was when I went there, and I fear that if they decide to close one of the universities, it will be Moorhead. It's a horrible town with awful weather in a market with two more notable colleges.
 

discochris said:
Mankato is the only public program in the state that could realistically go D1/FCS. But they'd have to get a big infusion of cash, and probably a revamped stadium. The MnSCU system has been bleeding money for a while now - that money won't come from the state.

It's the fourth largest system of higher learning in the country (and remember, that's separate from the U of M system), and we're 22nd in population. I don't know how long that can be sustainable.

Enrollment is dropping at every one of the state universities with the exception of Mankato, which has by far the nicest campus and best college town setting. St. Cloud is an absolute dump of a city, as is Moorhead (though Fargo is nice). Full disclosure, I graduated from MSU-Moorhead. Enrollment is quite literally half of what it was when I went there, and I fear that if they decide to close one of the universities, it will be Moorhead. It's a horrible town with awful weather in a market with two more notable colleges.
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SCU has been doing well in hockey and wrestling.
 

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