Limegrover on Jones: “I know everybody wants Jeff to be a Heisman finalist right now"

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Limegrover on Jones: “I know everybody wants Jeff to be a Heisman finalist right now"

per Joe:

Receiver Jeff Jones made his college debut against TCU at wide receiver but was only on the field for a couple snaps.

“I know everybody wants Jeff to be a Heisman finalist right now,” Limegrover said. “But he played a little bit of wide receiver in the spring, and we’re doing everything we can to get him caught up.

“There are times where he does some things that are really good, and then there are times where if he does what he did in practice in a game, we’re in trouble. And we’re trying to eliminate that part of it. Believe me, when we feel like he’s ready, there’s no holding back.”

http://www.startribune.com/notes-gophers-want-a-bigger-role-for-tailback-smith/325824671/

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They must feel good enough about him to burn his shirt, no?
 

He's a wide receiver

Spoofin said:
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I know there is more to it...but basically you either catch the ball or you don't as a receiver. You either get open or you can't. Yes, some plays he has to block. You can certainly utilize his strengths by designing a couple specific plays for him, whether it is the slant route or the bubble screen etc and other plays he's a decoy.

There is something else going on imo...as spoof said, these were not the spring comments or tone of the comments..
 

Sitting out last must have count as a redshirt year.

With hard work and reps, his time will come.
 



We don't know what Jeff's flaws are, but the number one mistake for a wide reciever is to false start, missing audibles is probably next. Instead of speculating, let's take Limegrover at his word, that JJ is a work in progress and still learning
 

nsmike said:
We don't know what Jeff's flaws are, but the number one mistake for a wide reciever is to false start, missing audibles is probably next. Instead of speculating, let's take Limegrover at his word, that JJ is a work in progress and still learning
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So Jeff makes mistakes & he doesn't play. That must mean Leidner is flawless
 

Who knows what could be going on but the important thing is it's enough of a reason to keep him off the field meaning he must not be ready. Give him time, it took him time just to get grades up now give him time to learn a new position.


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No, because things like other players performing better than you also count. It's entirely possible that Jones has the hands and athletic ability to be out there playing, but he's behind some other guys when it comes to the mental side of the game, or making the little mistakes that can cost a team big time. Plus, I believe Jones missed some of fall camp with an injury, so that likely set him back a bit.

Leidner, for all the flack he gets, is probably a better starting QB than the guys below him on the depth chart. Is he a great passer? Heck no. But probably the best overall option given his ability to pick up yards on the ground and his experience as a starter.

The fact is, if Kill felt Jones was ready to dominate at this level, he'd be playing. And if Leidner didn't give us the best chance to win now, I doubt Kill would keep starting him. I would say Kill has earned our trust in that when he says the best players will play, he means it. I've seen no reason to think otherwise, at least.
 

nsmike said:
We don't know what Jeff's flaws are, but the number one mistake for a wide reciever is to false start, missing audibles is probably next. Instead of speculating, let's take Limegrover at his word, that JJ is a work in progress and still learning
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You are missing the point: Limegrover on the radio 6-21-15 after spring practice is asked about the wide receivers. He talks about KJ Maye being a leader. He says Wolitarsky is the other upper classman and then the third and only other wide receiver he talks about is Jeff Jones. "One guy that is a wild card for us that we are very excited about is Jeff Jones came in as a RB, we moved him in spring to the slot as a WR...the thing that amazed me is everybody knew that he was a wonderful football talent but what really amazed me was I was a little nervous about taking a kid that was brand new to everything because he couldn't do anything in the fall...Coach Kill said let him learn at WR...as a coach working on consistency and timing and trying to be as sharp as you can and sometimes when you are taking guys and kinda quote, unquote throwing em in...you get a little nervous how that's going to work out, but he did an outstanding job of picking things up...didn't bog us down and once he got the ball in his hands whether in the backfield or out in the open field at a slot receiver he has the ooh and awe factor! which is something we can definitely use offensively!

So after spring practice Jeff Jones was the rage and now he gets negative comments. Something changed and it's not his ability. And I promise it's not the snap counts. How many audibles do you think Mitch calls? Be real..
 

From an eligibility standpoint, Jeff is just like a RS Frosh. From an experience standpoint, Jeff is really a true Frosh who enrolled early. Add in the fact that WR is still a new position to him and it's not surprising he isn't ready yet.

So who were the frosh early enrollees from this past class? The Huff boys and Tyler Moore? Who knows, maybe all those kids see the field this year...
 

Ironman247 said:
The fact is, if Kill felt Jones was ready to dominate at this level, he'd be playing. And if Leidner didn't give us the best chance to win now, I doubt Kill would keep starting him. I would say Kill has earned our trust in that when he says the best players will play, he means it. I've seen no reason to think otherwise, at least.
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I still believe JJ will be a force. Things that were true do not become untrue. This staff is often guarded about things within the program that are not visible to the masses, and wisely and justifiably so. The caveat to the best players being on the field is doing all the other things, too. Meetings, going to class, being on time... Nugget, and others, have struggled to toe the line at times and this staff has shown they will not waver due to ability. The fact that he got in the game for a couple of plays makes me think he still can get it all figured out, and when he does we'll be a better team.
 



60's Guy said:
You are missing the point: Limegrover on the radio 6-21-15 after spring practice is asked about the wide receivers. He talks about KJ Maye being a leader. He says Wolitarsky is the other upper classman and then the third and only other wide receiver he talks about is Jeff Jones. "One guy that is a wild card for us that we are very excited about is Jeff Jones came in as a RB, we moved him in spring to the slot as a WR...the thing that amazed me is everybody knew that he was a wonderful football talent but what really amazed me was I was a little nervous about taking a kid that was brand new to everything because he couldn't do anything in the fall...Coach Kill said let him learn at WR...as a coach working on consistency and timing and trying to be as sharp as you can and sometimes when you are taking guys and kinda quote, unquote throwing em in...you get a little nervous how that's going to work out, but he did an outstanding job of picking things up...didn't bog us down and once he got the ball in his hands whether in the backfield or out in the open field at a slot receiver he has the ooh and awe factor! which is something we can definitely use offensively!

So after spring practice Jeff Jones was the rage and now he gets negative comments. Something changed and it's not his ability. And I promise it's not the snap counts. How many audibles do you think Mitch calls? Be real..
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Have you ever thought that you may be reading too much into some of these comments? Just because he has shown enough quick progress at WR to be praised doesn't mean he is ready to play full time. He was ready enough to get some snaps in the first game against an TCU. That is a big deal since Kill said that one of the problem with this type of opponent was that he couldn't give playing time to any of the new players.


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60's Guy said:
You are missing the point: Limegrover on the radio 6-21-15 after spring practice is asked about the wide receivers. He talks about KJ Maye being a leader. He says Wolitarsky is the other upper classman and then the third and only other wide receiver he talks about is Jeff Jones. "One guy that is a wild card for us that we are very excited about is Jeff Jones came in as a RB, we moved him in spring to the slot as a WR...the thing that amazed me is everybody knew that he was a wonderful football talent but what really amazed me was I was a little nervous about taking a kid that was brand new to everything because he couldn't do anything in the fall...Coach Kill said let him learn at WR...as a coach working on consistency and timing and trying to be as sharp as you can and sometimes when you are taking guys and kinda quote, unquote throwing em in...you get a little nervous how that's going to work out, but he did an outstanding job of picking things up...didn't bog us down and once he got the ball in his hands whether in the backfield or out in the open field at a slot receiver he has the ooh and awe factor! which is something we can definitely use offensively!

So after spring practice Jeff Jones was the rage and now he gets negative comments. Something changed and it's not his ability. And I promise it's not the snap counts. How many audibles do you think Mitch calls? Be real..
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alchemy2u said:
Have you ever thought that you may be reading too much into some of these comments? Just because he has shown enough quick progress at WR to be praised doesn't mean he is ready to play full time. He was ready enough to get some snaps in the first game against an TCU. That is a big deal since Kill said that one of the problem with this type of opponent was that he couldn't give playing time to any of the new players.


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I'm going with 60's on this one. Coaches also made some comments in Fall practice to the effect that JJ may be our best WR. More comments about how fast he picked everything up. Etc. Etc.

I get JJ is a Fr. I get he still may become a superstar. I realize it may happen this Saturday. I'm not curbing my enthusiasm towards him at all. HOWEVER, my point (& I believe 60's point) is that the coaches tone on how they talk about JJ has changed 180-degrees from just weeks ago.

They didn't move their highest ranked recruit ever from RB to WR to sit on the bench. Something is up, IMO. May be injury, may be something else. /speculation.
 

I also get that JJ suffered a concussion this fall. How many chances do you take with a potential Heisman candidate (yes, I read that into Limegrover's statement). I expect JJ is a bit frustrated that this is taking so long. I give him great credit for getting his early HS years straightened out. Great credit. One day... he will likely be a Heisman candidate. I believe he is that good. Good enough to be one of the factors that makes us good enough to beat tOSU this year. Lord knows pour D will show up
 


Good stuff, but you highlighted the wrong things

60's Guy said:
Jeff Jones. "One guy that is a wild card for us that we are very excited about is Jeff Jones came in as a RB, we moved him in spring to the slot as a WR...the thing that amazed me is everybody knew that he was a wonderful football talent but what really amazed me was I was a little nervous about taking a kid that was brand new to everything because he couldn't do anything in the fall...Coach Kill said let him learn at WR...as a coach working on consistency and timing and trying to be as sharp as you can and sometimes when you are taking guys and kinda quote, unquote throwing em in...you get a little nervous how that's going to work out, but he did an outstanding job of picking things up...didn't bog us down and once he got the ball in his hands whether in the backfield or out in the open field at a slot receiver he has the ooh and awe factor!which is something we can definitely use offensively!

So after spring practice Jeff Jones was the rage and now he gets negative comments. Something changed and it's not his ability. And I promise it's not the snap counts. How many audibles do you think Mitch calls? Be real..
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You don't throw out a freshman at a new position in a game where you have to limit all mistakes in order to win. I think he will play a lot more against Ohio and Kent State where he can get game experience without his mistakes costing a win. If he doesn't get a good amount of playing time by the end of the non-conference schedule, then we can all speculate that something is up. Until then, let's relax a bit.
 

Some of you are reading waaaayyy too much into this. So he didn't play much in his first game against a tough D. So what? I think we forget that this was game #1 and the staff didn't have the luxury of easing him or anyone else into things. For all the hype about this frosh class the only one to really play much was Huff. This wasn't really a game for inexperience
 

Yes, not a big deal. If JJ runs an incorrect route, misses a blocking assignment in practice or gives the coaches some other reason to believe he does not know the offense 100%, you do not put him in against TCU. Not the kind of opponent to put people in for game experience, especially when it was close the entire game.
 

DLguy said:
You don't throw out a freshman at a new position in a game where you have to limit all mistakes in order to win. I think he will play a lot more against Ohio and Kent State where he can get game experience without his mistakes costing a win. If he doesn't get a good amount of playing time by the end of the non-conference schedule, then we can all speculate that something is up. Until then, let's relax a bit.
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We threw other freshmen into the TCU game, including some true frosh. Something is up with JJ, since he was highly praised and now, barely involved. There's no doubt he's very gifted, but maybe the challenge is going from all-star to fitting into a role on the team.
 


killme said:
We threw other freshmen into the TCU game, including some true frosh. Something is up with JJ, since he was highly praised and now, barely involved. There's no doubt he's very gifted, but maybe the challenge is going from all-star to fitting into a role on the team.
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The only true frosh to play on offense was Still, a guy that also has a unique skill set.
 

Still is a true freshman who was not an early enrollee I believe, and he played quite a bit. I was surprised to see him seemingly surpass Melvin Holland as well. The comments from Kill/Limegrover are different over the past two weeks compared to earlier even this fall. It seems like Jones is in the doghouse for something. I'll be surprised if he stays there long though, because this team needs playmakers.
 

Could be as simple as JJ not wanting to practice due to injury or perception of minor injury, and the coaches not liking that. There is precedent within the WR corp. There is also precedent of the coaches playing guys that are clearly not close to 100% (Lauer) to disastrous outcome.
 

This is all about practice time and JJ simply missed out on A LOT of reps leading up to the TCU game. He suffered a concussion and has been battling migraines. Everyone calm down. If things are like this once BIG season starts then it's time to panic.
 

Quit with the speculation, what we know is that he's done some things in practice that you can't have happen in games, we also know that he had a concussion which means he lost practice time. It's not inconceivable that the missed practice time combined with learning a new position put him far enough behind to limit him to a handful of plays. I would guess that he'll get a few more chances against CSU and be in the rotation against Kent State and Ohio.
 

Spoofin said:
I'm going with 60's on this one. Coaches also made some comments in Fall practice to the effect that JJ may be our best WR. More comments about how fast he picked everything up. Etc. Etc.

I get JJ is a Fr. I get he still may become a superstar. I realize it may happen this Saturday. I'm not curbing my enthusiasm towards him at all. HOWEVER, my point (& I believe 60's point) is that the coaches tone on how they talk about JJ has changed 180-degrees from just weeks ago.

They didn't move their highest ranked recruit ever from RB to WR to sit on the bench. Something is up, IMO. May be injury, may be something else. /speculation.
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Can you find these comments? I'm not saying you're wrong I just thought he said something like that in the spring, not the fall.
 

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