Limegrover on Jones: “I know everybody wants Jeff to be a Heisman finalist right now"

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The worry and speculation is ridiculous regarding Jones. It isn't fair to him. Can we please remember he supposedly posted on this board at one point? There's a decent chance he is reading all of these posts.

The facts are - Jeff is equivalent to an early-enrollee true freshman playing a brand new position while dealing with injuries in fall camp. The coaches can be high on him while still acknowledging that he has some work to do at WR. The over-analysis is beyond annoying. This isn't a big deal at all. Way too much pressure being put on the kid already, and it's moments like this where I would understand if a local star went elsewhere to play instead of staying in his home state to try and live up to ridiculous expectations.
 

I started a thread about being wrong. I've been wrong about a lot of things.

I was under the impression that JJ was the best RB recruit around here since Maroney. Although the ability to block does trip up some talented runners, it seems overall RB is a position that is most often ready to play as a freshman. Yet, he was moved out of RB with the most common reason seen here as this was the best place for JJ to contribute NOW, and now we are seeing more statements like Limegrover's less-than-glowing remarks this week, and JJ isn't seeing the field in the role that was supposed to be the best chance for him to make an early impact. So, I might certainly be wrong but to me this has the feel of a player that may never live up to the expectations that were showered on him in HS.

Every time this subject comes up I see comments like "settle down" or suggestions people like me are "reading too much into this". That may be, but at this point this is what I am reading into it and I'm concerned he is headed toward being a bust compared to the big expectations. If I'm wrong, I'll just chalk this up to another in a line of my incorrect opinions on players from the past that ended up far better (or worse) than I expected. My opinion was once that JJ would make an immediate positive impact as a RB (because I was reading that everywhere). This is already incorrect and the clouds are growing around the prospect of him making an impact elsewhere as well.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Still is a true freshman who was not an early enrollee I believe, and he played quite a bit. I was surprised to see him seemingly surpass Melvin Holland as well. The comments from Kill/Limegrover are different over the past two weeks compared to earlier even this fall. It seems like Jones is in the doghouse for something. I'll be surprised if he stays there long though, because this team needs playmakers.
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Holland has been hurt and coach said that Holland, Plsek, and Campion would have all started if healthy.
 

Schnauzer said:
I started a thread about being wrong. I've been wrong about a lot of things.

I was under the impression that JJ was the best RB recruit around here since Maroney. Although the ability to block does trip up some talented runners, it seems overall RB is a position that is most often ready to play as a freshman. Yet, he was moved out of RB with the most common reason seen here as this was the best place for JJ to contribute NOW, and now we are seeing more statements like Limegrover's less-than-glowing remarks this week, and JJ isn't seeing the field in the role that was supposed to be the best chance for him to make an early impact. So, I might certainly be wrong but to me this has the feel of a player that may never live up to the expectations that were showered on him in HS.

Every time this subject comes up I see comments like "settle down" or suggestions people like me are "reading too much into this". That may be, but at this point this is what I am reading into it and I'm concerned he is headed toward being a bust compared to the big expectations. If I'm wrong, I'll just chalk this up to another in a line of my incorrect opinions on players from the past that ended up far better (or worse) than I expected. My opinion was once that JJ would make an immediate positive impact as a RB (because I was reading that everywhere). This is already incorrect and the clouds are growing around the prospect of him making an impact elsewhere as well.
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I guess you do increase your chances of being wrong if you're willing to jump to very early conclusions. I think you've covered a lot of bases by expecting an immediate impact before he ever played a down, and then moving right into fear of being a bust mode exactly one game into his college career. I'm not going to suggest that you should settle down or be patient. Everyone needs to pursue their own path to maximizing the fan experience. Enjoy.
 

Schnauzer said:
I was under the impression that JJ was the best RB recruit around here since Maroney.
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In his first game, Maroney didn't get a carry until it was 42-0 against Tulsa. He had the sixth best yards per carry on the team in the game.
 


Connecting the dots

Schnauzer said:
I started a thread about being wrong. I've been wrong about a lot of things.

I was under the impression that JJ was the best RB recruit around here since Maroney. Although the ability to block does trip up some talented runners, it seems overall RB is a position that is most often ready to play as a freshman. Yet, he was moved out of RB with the most common reason seen here as this was the best place for JJ to contribute NOW, and now we are seeing more statements like Limegrover's less-than-glowing remarks this week, and JJ isn't seeing the field in the role that was supposed to be the best chance for him to make an early impact. So, I might certainly be wrong but to me this has the feel of a player that may never live up to the expectations that were showered on him in HS.

Every time this subject comes up I see comments like "settle down" or suggestions people like me are "reading too much into this". That may be, but at this point this is what I am reading into it and I'm concerned he is headed toward being a bust compared to the big expectations. If I'm wrong, I'll just chalk this up to another in a line of my incorrect opinions on players from the past that ended up far better (or worse) than I expected. My opinion was once that JJ would make an immediate positive impact as a RB (because I was reading that everywhere). This is already incorrect and the clouds are growing around the prospect of him making an impact elsewhere as well.
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. You have a totally different conclusion than I do. Jeff Jones will not be a bust. He has the "ooh and ahh factor". "Wonderful football talent" "amazing" etc etc He's gone from that to no comments or snarky comments. It's not about ability, it's attitude or some other point the coaches are teaching Jeff he needs to learn in their opinion. That's fine and it's obvious to me. It's been done before as recently as Cobb, he just wasn't as highly recruited or local.
 

Maximus said:
In his first game, Maroney didn't get a carry until it was 42-0 against Tulsa. He had the sixth best yards per carry on the team in the game.
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I remember he had a 50 yard burst for a td that was called back due to a penalty flag.
 

Since we're all reading into this. Maybe JJ read everything that the coaches were saying about him and it went to his head and he stopped working hard. All the hype was coming off a MPLS. City League player blowing up at a 5-7 day all star game in January of 2014. That's 20 months ago.

Coaches also don't get practice games. They learn and adjust as well. Do you really think they knew Smith would grade out a perfect game? They coached and adjusted trying to beat the #2 team. They will now look at film and adjust to the week #2 opponent. Coach thought Lauer could go and got burned by it, so this week Pirsig is staying at LT. Depending how the game goes, you can expect more guys to get a chance. Claeys and Kill both said they wanted to play a lot of players in the first game, but didn't get a chance to do so.

At this point Kent State is looking like the only guarantee to clear the bench and throw kids to the fire.
 




jaymil said:
The worry and speculation is ridiculous regarding Jones. It isn't fair to him. Can we please remember he supposedly posted on this board at one point? There's a decent chance he is reading all of these posts.

The facts are - Jeff is equivalent to an early-enrollee true freshman playing a brand new position while dealing with injuries in fall camp. The coaches can be high on him while still acknowledging that he has some work to do at WR. The over-analysis is beyond annoying. This isn't a big deal at all. Way too much pressure being put on the kid already, and it's moments like this where I would understand if a local star went elsewhere to play instead of staying in his home state to try and live up to ridiculous expectations.
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Maybe you are right, but I don't think JJ should take any of these comments negatively. There is one thing EVERYONE wants on this board, and that is for Jeff to get on the field and succeed.


MaxyJR1 said:
Holland has been hurt and coach said that Holland, Plsek, and Campion would have all started if healthy.
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Thanks, I did not realize Holland was hurt. That makes me feel a little better.
 

jaymil said:
The worry and speculation is ridiculous regarding Jones. It isn't fair to him. Can we please remember he supposedly posted on this board at one point? There's a decent chance he is reading all of these posts.

The facts are - Jeff is equivalent to an early-enrollee true freshman playing a brand new position while dealing with injuries in fall camp. The coaches can be high on him while still acknowledging that he has some work to do at WR. The over-analysis is beyond annoying. This isn't a big deal at all. Way too much pressure being put on the kid already, and it's moments like this where I would understand if a local star went elsewhere to play instead of staying in his home state to try and live up to ridiculous expectations.
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Not sure him being a local recruit has any bearing on these discussions - his rating does.

I also want to be clear that I do not think that JJ has any less potential simply because he wasn't a factor in game 1. To come to that conclusion would be quite silly. All I am saying is the tone he is spoken about from the coaches has changed a lot and it changed quickly. That could be for many many reasons - some good, some not. I'm not casting an opinion as to why I think that is, I don't know, but I don't think it is unintentional either. Little of what Kill does.

I haven't looked for the earlier comments I mentioned from Fall camp. I'm paraphrasing and might be a bit off. I'm not going to look for them or post more on this thread as I'm not going to get labeled as someone who is predicting JJ as a bust. I'm absolutely not. I don't want to talk negative about him either as I still think he could be a legend here if/when given the opportunity.

Go Jeff. Go Gophers.
 

jaymil said:
The worry and speculation is ridiculous regarding Jones. It isn't fair to him. Can we please remember he supposedly posted on this board at one point? There's a decent chance he is reading all of these posts.

The facts are - Jeff is equivalent to an early-enrollee true freshman playing a brand new position while dealing with injuries in fall camp. The coaches can be high on him while still acknowledging that he has some work to do at WR. The over-analysis is beyond annoying. This isn't a big deal at all. Way too much pressure being put on the kid already, and it's moments like this where I would understand if a local star went elsewhere to play instead of staying in his home state to try and live up to ridiculous expectations.
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+ A lot
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Holland has been hurt and coach said that Holland, Plsek, and Campion would have all started if healthy.
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Gentry. Not Holland. Holland played and hasn't been hurt that I am aware of.
 



Spoofin said:
Not sure him being a local recruit has any bearing on these discussions - his rating does.

I also want to be clear that I do not think that JJ has any less potential simply because he wasn't a factor in game 1. To come to that conclusion would be quite silly. All I am saying is the tone he is spoken about from the coaches has changed a lot and it changed quickly. That could be for many many reasons - some good, some not. I'm not casting an opinion as to why I think that is, I don't know, but I don't think it is unintentional either. Little of what Kill does.

I haven't looked for the earlier comments I mentioned from Fall camp. I'm paraphrasing and might be a bit off. I'm not going to look for them or post more on this thread as I'm not going to get labeled as someone who is predicting JJ as a bust. I'm absolutely not. I don't want to talk negative about him either as I still think he could be a legend here if/when given the opportunity.

Go Jeff. Go Gophers.
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See this article from April 10th. I don't think any of the coaches have mentioned Jones as possibly their best WR in fall camp, so their tone hasn't changed as quickly as you think. I also disagree it has changed "a lot". My personal opinion is the reason the staff has pumped the brakes on him a little is because of his migranes/concussion. If he didn't have a setback I do think he would've been on the field more against TCU.

http://www.startribune.com/former-w...erging-as-top-receiver-for-gophers/299277061/
 

jaymil said:
See this article from April 10th. I don't think any of the coaches have mentioned Jones as possibly their best WR in fall camp, so their tone hasn't changed as quickly as you think. I also disagree it has changed "a lot". My personal opinion is the reason the staff has pumped the brakes on him a little is because of his migranes/concussion. If he didn't have a setback I do think he would've been on the field more against TCU.

http://www.startribune.com/former-w...erging-as-top-receiver-for-gophers/299277061/
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Found some stuff praising JJ during Fall camp from media that were at open practices, but nothing from Kill. You may be right on all the above.

Go JJ. Go Gophers.
 

He can play! You just quoted the coach saying so...

jaymil said:
See this article from April 10th. I don't think any of the coaches have mentioned Jones as possibly their best WR in fall camp, so their tone hasn't changed as quickly as you think. I also disagree it has changed "a lot". My personal opinion is the reason the staff has pumped the brakes on him a little is because of his migranes/concussion. If he didn't have a setback I do think he would've been on the field more against TCU.

http://www.startribune.com/former-w...erging-as-top-receiver-for-gophers/299277061/
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From your quotes: Coach Jerry Kill told KFAN (100.3-FM) this week that an argument could be made that Jones is the best receiver in camp. If that (migraines/concussion) was the reason he is not playing the tone would be different. Feel bad for Jeff...can't wait for him to get healthy...caged tiger...he'll be awesome if we can get him healthy... etc etc those kinds of comments would be what we'd hear if that was it. Instead it has gone to no comment or snarky comments. The coaches are unhappy about something Jeff is doing. How is that not clear? There is a list of guys the coaches either teach life lessons to or have tried to. Again, I'm fine with how they coach ... just frustrated you guys can't see the obvious. Jeff Jones has talent!
That is not the issue.
 

At 8:52 of Kill's press conference yesterday (http://www.btn2go.com/game/jerry-kill-press-conference1) he makes a point that could be relevant to the worry on this thread. "From here on out we need to be over 400 yards, 30 points a game. We get the right players on the field, hell that's my fault. We found one, had a couple receivers, probably a couple more I'll find for CSU but I'll keep that a secret." Wouldn't be shocked if he is referring to getting JJ on the field.
 



ForecastingAWin said:
At 8:52 of Kill's press conference yesterday (http://www.btn2go.com/game/jerry-kill-press-conference1) he makes a point that could be relevant to the worry on this thread. "From here on out we need to be over 400 yards, 30 points a game. We get the right players on the field, hell that's my fault. We found one, had a couple receivers, probably a couple more I'll find for CSU but I'll keep that a secret." Wouldn't be shocked if he is referring to getting JJ on the field.
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I caught that, too. I imagine the CSU camp did, as well. Rodney Smith, a coach's son, has some jiggle and training to be a stud for us in every phase of playing RB. That's why JJ, who also has some obvious physical ability, was moved to receiver, IMO, in the spring: to get our best players on the field. And now we have Brooks added to the mix, so JJ has to get this figured out. We need him.

While we're looking up what was said...didn't coaches (Limegrover?) rave about JJ's ability to pick up the receiving position in the spring?
 

DLguy said:
You don't throw out a freshman at a new position in a game where you have to limit all mistakes in order to win. I think he will play a lot more against Ohio and Kent State where he can get game experience without his mistakes costing a win. If he doesn't get a good amount of playing time by the end of the non-conference schedule, then we can all speculate that something is up. Until then, let's relax a bit.
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THIS
 


Perhaps people think Jones can pick up some slack on check downs and give Leidner a playmaker or safety net in the flat that can make some plays that is all.
I don't think people expect Jeff Jones to be a Heisman finalist, but having the hype of being a highly rated recruit from a year ago, the All Star game appearance, and than the admissions wait and sit out year, all probably heightened people wanting to see him Jeff Jones play for the Gophers. The fact that he is a local kid also hyped up Gopher fans because a lot of the top guys prior to this year and that year, left for other schools.
All of that glee and hyperbole is kind of like getting an awesome new puppy, a nice new car, or opening up a slew of Christmas presents that morning and being excited. I think most have tempered there expectations realizing it takes time for a young guy that didn't play last year to get back in the flow and be apart of it.
People and Gophers fans were eager to see him play against TCU and thought he could help us. I didn't notice a lot of new people playing that much on Thursday with the exceptions of Huff playing the Joker defensive end, Poock playing some at linebacker, and Rodney Smith at running back(made some nice plays) and Still at wide receiver so it's not a knock on the new guys but looks like coaches were going for guys that they had seen play in games before. Offense didn't get near enough plays last week, they need a lot more plays this week so that guys get opportunity.
I don't know what kind of expectations you should have for the kid, have not seen him play or practice much since high school, though always realized that was weaker competition. Hophefully JJ can get some reps and make some plays because the Gophers need play makers on offense that seems evident. I think Jones has talent I hope he can help the Gophers win football games but I by no means believe he will go zero to 60 in 3 seconds, just doesn't happen when you have to sit out like that. Go Gophers and go JJ Gophers fans are rooting for you.
 


Halsey Hall said:
So Jeff makes mistakes & he doesn't play. That must mean Leidner is flawless
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Well that is logically the only conclusion one can make. Right?

Don't grind your axe to a nub during week 1.


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caliGopher said:
Well that is logically the only conclusion one can make. Right?

Don't grind your axe to a nub during week 1.


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I don't think he can because Sonny Garcia has already done that.
 

KoolAid said:
From an eligibility standpoint, Jeff is just like a RS Frosh. From an experience standpoint, Jeff is really a true Frosh who enrolled early. Add in the fact that WR is still a new position to him and it's not surprising he isn't ready yet.

So who were the frosh early enrollees from this past class? The Huff boys and Tyler Moore? Who knows, maybe all those kids see the field this year...
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I believe he could get an extra year if approved by the NCCA. No sure where I heard that but it was back when he first got in school.
 


ForecastingAWin said:
At 8:52 of Kill's press conference yesterday (http://www.btn2go.com/game/jerry-kill-press-conference1) he makes a point that could be relevant to the worry on this thread. "From here on out we need to be over 400 yards, 30 points a game. We get the right players on the field, hell that's my fault. We found one, had a couple receivers, probably a couple more I'll find for CSU but I'll keep that a secret." Wouldn't be shocked if he is referring to getting JJ on the field.
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1. Got to mean Rodney Smith.
2. I think Kill is referring to Still here.
3. Hoping this comes true with 2 or 3 guys emerging out of: JJ, Holland, Gibson, Gentry.
 

Ok, Ok.... I can tell you this now. JJ is a Russian spy and they needed to interview him in between plays at the TCU game.

Now that you all know the real reason, all the speculation and rumors can stop.


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