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Crosby said:
Rumor leaked by... his "agent?" No way he gets that kind of money.
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Saw it on multiple podcasts that there was a bidding war for him with LSU and Ole Miss. Not idea if its true but the speculation was 1.8-2.1M per year. College RB's obviously are valued more than NFL Rb's...
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Saw it on multiple podcasts that there was a bidding war for him with LSU and Ole Miss. Not idea if its true but the speculation was 1.8-2.1M per year. College RB's obviously are valued more than NFL Rb's...
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Thanks. I have to say that I'm one of those who simply don't believe the numbers thrown around.
 

Crosby said:
Thanks. I have to say that I'm one of those who simply don't believe the numbers thrown around.
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When it comes to insanely rich people throwing around money, always bet the over.
If a RB is getting paid $2M per year they are going to fight like hell to not go to the NFL, unless they are in that rare air (1 guy every couple years) that gets drafted in the top 15 picks.

I've been saying it for years but I'll say it again. There is a point not that far from now where all eligibility limits are legally challenged and there will be bidding wars between college and the NFL. Where the whole model of 3-5 years, then go to the NFL because you have to is challenged. Where college football has 30 year old "student athletes" who have been playing for Ole Miss for 12 years.
 

Crosby said:
Thanks. I have to say that I'm one of those who simply don't believe the numbers thrown around.
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Agree. I think these numbers are made up. If true, why ever commit early to the NFL draft to get a rookie contract and possibly bust.
 

fmlizard said:
When it comes to insanely rich people throwing around money, always bet the over.
If a RB is getting paid $2M per year they are going to fight like hell to not go to the NFL, unless they are in that rare air (1 guy every couple years) that gets drafted in the top 15 picks.

I've been saying it for years but I'll say it again. There is a point not that far from now where all eligibility limits are legally challenged and there will be bidding wars between college and the NFL. Where the whole model of 3-5 years, then go to the NFL because you have to is challenged. Where college football has 30 year old "student athletes" who have been playing for Ole Miss for 12 years.
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It certainly seems like this is the only one still in the way, pretty much every other big NCAA topic regarding players has been challenged. And I don't think we will be waiting long.
 


MNVCGUY said:
I'm not sure 80+ tackles can be considered a bad year.

What he lacked this year were the splash plays but he didn't have a bad year. He did however have one absolute disaster of a game where he was a major contributor to the reasons why the game was lost (can't put it all on him but he made multiple massive mistakes).

It is a big loss for the program if he leaves but it is the reality of this transfer portal era we are living in. I just think those claiming he had a bad year are doing that mostly because of the lack of highlight reel plays. It could be considered a bit of a down year by the standard that gets applied to superstar players I guess.
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No, I’m judging the bad year on his poor PFF scores and seeing him miss many tackles, and be out of position often on passing plays. When you combine poor discipline with poor physical play it is just a bad year.

That said, I didn’t want to see him leave because he can always improve. Yet, he is a safety, and we were spending more on that position for him because he was a local highly rated kid. Hard to keep spending hat given the year he had. Already seeing some good adds in the portal, so maybe it’s some of those dollars being put to use.
 

Tucker32 said:
No, I’m judging the bad year on his poor PFF scores and seeing him miss many tackles, and be out of position often on passing plays. When you combine poor discipline with poor physical play it is just a bad year.

That said, I didn’t want to see him leave because he can always improve. Yet, he is a safety, and we were spending more on that position for him because he was a local highly rated kid. Hard to keep spending hat given the year he had. Already seeing some good adds in the portal, so maybe it’s some of those dollars being put to use.
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Yeah, I hope people aren't misreading my takes as I want him gone. I'd love it if he stayed and returned to 2024 form, which was extremely high/elite level performance. But we have 1 year of elite, and 1 year of average to below average play. If I'm a business manager, I'm forecasting he levels out somewhere in between those two points, and I am going to offer a package commensurate with the data I have. I don't have the luxury of overpaying for hype and hope. Koi the safety was great. Koi the offense, defense and special teams swiss army knife, not so much.

We also do not know what was going on behind the scenes, or how it resonated with teammates. I can speculate based on some observations I made, but, whether or not they are accurate is another thing. I simply don't know the vibe in the locker room. I don't recall Coney Durr ripping another player like that before, and assuming he is tapped into the current landscape more than any of us, it is an interesting data point.
 

Crosby said:
Thanks. I have to say that I'm one of those who simply don't believe the numbers thrown around.
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Honest question (and I'm not being argumentative), but why don't you believe the numbers? I've heard a number of people say this and I just don't know why the numbers wouldn't be true.

Winning at football is clearly lucrative for schools, you'd think teams would pay to win more football games. We see how much football coaches are making. I guess I just don't understand why people are skeptical that this sport would be the only one that teams wouldn't pay for better players while also paying coaches massive salaries.

All of this said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some showmanship like you see with NFL contracts. NFL contracts are really worth the guarantees and the fully voidable final years of a contract are more or less for show. I can definitely see some of that going on.

The amount of money that guys like Mendoza, Bain, the entire TTU team, Smith, Hemby, Caleb Downs, etc. have brought into their respective universities would absolutely pay for what these guys are allegedly getting paid.

Honestly, it's an honest question, what makes you or anyone else who doesn't buy the figures skeptical?
 




Bob_Loblaw said:
Honest question (and I'm not being argumentative), but why don't you believe the numbers? I've heard a number of people say this and I just don't know why the numbers wouldn't be true.

Winning at football is clearly lucrative for schools, you'd think teams would pay to win more football games. We see how much football coaches are making. I guess I just don't understand why people are skeptical that this sport would be the only one that teams wouldn't pay for better players while also paying coaches massive salaries.

All of this said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some showmanship like you see with NFL contracts. NFL contracts are really worth the guarantees and the fully voidable final years of a contract are more or less for show. I can definitely see some of that going on.

The amount of money that guys like Mendoza, Bain, the entire TTU team, Smith, Hemby, Caleb Downs, etc. have brought into their respective universities would absolutely pay for what these guys are allegedly getting paid.

Honestly, it's an honest question, what makes you or anyone else who doesn't buy the figures skeptical?
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Agree with this take. I have no inside info obviously, but I am wondering why people don't believe any numbers? And that do people think the real numbers are? I just don't know why a bunch of national CFB people quote roughly the same numbers and people assume it's made up? Honest question on my end as well.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Agree with this take. I have no inside info obviously, but I am wondering why people don't believe any numbers? And that do people think the real numbers are? I just don't know why a bunch of national CFB people quote roughly the same numbers and people assume it's made up? Honest question on my end as well.
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Exactly, even removing NIL and rich people from the equation, Ole Miss has almost $16 million in revenue money to spend on a roster. There are going to be guys making a lot of money on that alone.

Then add in rich people and businesses for NIL?

A starting RB in the SEC who had 1500 rushing yards and 23 TDs absolutely could be getting $2 million for a season.

The Ole Miss RB will be on the fringes of the preseason Heisman Trophy discussion for 2026.
 
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Bob_Loblaw said:
Honest question (and I'm not being argumentative), but why don't you believe the numbers? I've heard a number of people say this and I just don't know why the numbers wouldn't be true.

Winning at football is clearly lucrative for schools, you'd think teams would pay to win more football games. We see how much football coaches are making. I guess I just don't understand why people are skeptical that this sport would be the only one that teams wouldn't pay for better players while also paying coaches massive salaries.

All of this said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some showmanship like you see with NFL contracts. NFL contracts are really worth the guarantees and the fully voidable final years of a contract are more or less for show. I can definitely see some of that going on.

The amount of money that guys like Mendoza, Bain, the entire TTU team, Smith, Hemby, Caleb Downs, etc. have brought into their respective universities would absolutely pay for what these guys are allegedly getting paid.

Honestly, it's an honest question, what makes you or anyone else who doesn't buy the figures skeptical?
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Because it is all speculation. I think it feeds on itself...a site or two will "value" a player and that then becomes the number. Why doesn't the collective verify the numbers? Burns from DTA has said multiple times they keep the numbers very close to the vest.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Because it is all speculation. I think it feeds on itself...a site or two will "value" a player and that then becomes the number. Why doesn't the collective verify the numbers? Burns from DTA has said multiple times they keep the numbers very close to the vest.
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What would you think the numbers are? Honest question? You think they are higher or lower?
 



Bob_Loblaw said:
Honest question (and I'm not being argumentative), but why don't you believe the numbers? I've heard a number of people say this and I just don't know why the numbers wouldn't be true.

Winning at football is clearly lucrative for schools, you'd think teams would pay to win more football games. We see how much football coaches are making. I guess I just don't understand why people are skeptical that this sport would be the only one that teams wouldn't pay for better players while also paying coaches massive salaries.

All of this said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some showmanship like you see with NFL contracts. NFL contracts are really worth the guarantees and the fully voidable final years of a contract are more or less for show. I can definitely see some of that going on.

The amount of money that guys like Mendoza, Bain, the entire TTU team, Smith, Hemby, Caleb Downs, etc. have brought into their respective universities would absolutely pay for what these guys are allegedly getting paid.

Honestly, it's an honest question, what makes you or anyone else who doesn't buy the figures skeptical?
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Fair question. Here's my answer... I don't believe them because there is nothing public about any of it, even after NIL deals are done. There is no transparency whatsoever. So "agents" or "advisors" to these kids can throw out or "leak" any number they want, simply to drive up the price. In an environment where there is no public reporting, no real oversight, and a heavily vested interest for people directly involved to report the highest numbers possible... the numbers will always be inflated.
 

The reactions usually come when anything over a million is mentioned. There are many reports of guys getting that much. At least some of it has to be true and probably more than people realize.

Weren't there reports that Dylan Ray got over 3/4 of a million? If that guy got that much what do you think Drake, Koi, DT, Smith get? That's on the Gophers who supposedly don't have as much money. Now do the same on every team. The big schools all have some 7 figure guys.
 
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PMWinSTP said:
Because it is all speculation. I think it feeds on itself...a site or two will "value" a player and that then becomes the number. Why doesn't the collective verify the numbers? Burns from DTA has said multiple times they keep the numbers very close to the vest.
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While I'm sure there are valuations and reported deals that are inaccurate, what is reported is logically consistent. e.g. We understand Drake, DT, and Anthony Smith will be the Gophers top earners this season. Those deals were reported around $1M. Scanning around the rest of CFB, we see high-impact (better?) players at bigger programs reportedly making more money.

Kewan Lacey is the specific example that created this line of discussion. Given what we know about Gopher football - available dollars, the external demand for DT, and what we understand DT is paid - it seems logical for Kewan Lacey to be paid $1.8-$2.1M. I understand skepticism around numbers that do not currently have a neutral clearinghouse, but it would be difficult for the numbers to be logically consistent if the people driving the market (agents, players, teams, brands, reporters) were all following their own agendas.
 
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fmlizard said:
When it comes to insanely rich people throwing around money, always bet the over.
If a RB is getting paid $2M per year they are going to fight like hell to not go to the NFL, unless they are in that rare air (1 guy every couple years) that gets drafted in the top 15 picks.

I've been saying it for years but I'll say it again. There is a point not that far from now where all eligibility limits are legally challenged and there will be bidding wars between college and the NFL. Where the whole model of 3-5 years, then go to the NFL because you have to is challenged. Where college football has 30 year old "student athletes" who have been playing for Ole Miss for 12 years.
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Wasn't extra years the reason Johnny Blood became Johnny Blood? One of my high school teachers liked him so much he made sure we know about him.
 

Crosby said:
Fair question. Here's my answer... I don't believe them because there is nothing public about any of it, even after NIL deals are done. There is no transparency whatsoever. So "agents" or "advisors" to these kids can throw out or "leak" any number they want, simply to drive up the price. In an environment where there is no public reporting, no real oversight, and a heavily vested interest for people directly involved to report the highest numbers possible... the numbers will always be inflated.
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This is a pretty good explanation. We all know that crazy sums of money are getting tossed around but it becomes nearly impossible to know what is real and what is made up or inflated because there is no actual record of what players are making that is public.
 

While I think there may be some inflation/overstating on the numbers as others have stated, when you add revenue share dollars and NIL, and are distributing across 85 players max (in most cases), that's a lot of money for some of these programs. I have no problem believing some impact players might be getting eye-popping numbers.

What I don't really understand, however, is the relationship between the football staff/GM and NIL collectives. Are they really working that closely such that the school side knows how much a collective might pay a prospective transfer? I mean, the school might know they can pay say 150,000 from their revenue share, but what about the NIL? Does the player then have to contact the collective (or the school immediately directs them to it) to figure out what they would get from them? Does the collective just commit the same percentage to the player from the NIL fund that the player is receiving on revenue share (...which wouldn't be CSC-compliant anyway...?)? The numbers players receive are almost always framed as a single value (with the heavyweight programs being able to offer more, which implies rev share+NIL), but that implies the collectives are still able to commit specific dollar amounts up front...? The whole process of how players get to a specific amount is a mystery to me.
 

GM's and coaches are working directly with NIL collectives to match up Rev Share and NIL packages.
Using the number I heard for MN of RevShare $75,000 for each freshmen. Times how many are coming in (31). ($2,325,000). That leaves $15M-ish for rest of roster, about 74 players. That's about $200,000 per player if equal.

Example
Freshmen get $75,000 (31) = 2,325,000
Sophomores at $85,000 (30)= 2,550,000
Juniors at 200,000 (25)= 5,000,000
Seniors 20 at 260,000= 5,200,000

That's $15,075,000 in RevShare Alone. Now we know that all upperclassmen are not making the same base salary or NIL>
 

gopherbadgerman said:
What would you think the numbers are? Honest question? You think they are higher or lower?
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There is a lot of money out there.
They don’t pay everyone equally

But 16,000,000 in revenue sharing (ole miss example) is 152k per player on the 105 man roster
 

MNVCGUY said:
This is a pretty good explanation. We all know that crazy sums of money are getting tossed around but it becomes nearly impossible to know what is real and what is made up or inflated because there is no actual record of what players are making that is public.
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We do know approximately what Iowa’s collective The Swarm is reporting to the IRS, ie $4M in, $3M out in tax year 2024. One of the only claiming non-profit status and public record. This is why I’d speculate most schools without a) wealthy individual fan benefactors or b) legit business NIL deals had numbers getting thrown around pre-rev sharing that were mostly junk fan fiction and self-serving.

Post-rev sharing the “millions” per player are more plausible. A good QB could easily earn $2M+ in rev share + private NIL and maybe a lot more if there is a wealthy booster writing checks. We can see how NFL teams divvy up their compensation pool. None of us know who or what or how much.
 

MNfootballfan said:
To be honest, I don't know if has done anything for them. I think being competitors they are/were going down as one of the best in school history fits well for them. I don't know what life is like for Laurence Maroney when he comes back to campus but I would imagine it is pretty nice.
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I don't think any student would even notice, honestly. He was in the NFL before any of these college kids were even born.

I doubt even AWJr would get more than a "oh, hey, what's up" kinda response if he walked back on campus.
 


nitramnaed said:
Agree. I think these numbers are made up. If true, why ever commit early to the NFL draft to get a rookie contract and possibly bust.
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Because if your NIL is less than like $400K then the rookie contract is better.

Now if fringe day 3 picks are all earning over $500K then you have a great point.
 


PMWinSTP said:
Why doesn't the collective verify the numbers? Burns from DTA has said multiple times they keep the numbers very close to the vest.
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Could be lots of reasons. I don't know what my coworkers are making. If I found out, maybe there's a chance I'd get pissed and leave?

Or maybe DTA doesn't want to publish what they spend, so as to not turn away the little donations. Right now there might be a bunch of people happy to donate $100/year or something. If they see how much money is actually being paid out, maybe they think their small donation doesn't have an impact and so it goes away?

Maybe you don't want to turn people off before you meet them? What if that WR from Auburn looked at DTA's books and thought, "no way they can afford me", but since he was in the dark, he came here and got an offer.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Agree with this take. I have no inside info obviously, but I am wondering why people don't believe any numbers? And that do people think the real numbers are? I just don't know why a bunch of national CFB people quote roughly the same numbers and people assume it's made up? Honest question on my end as well.
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It's probably people just not liking the new system and wanting to disparage it, like when my dad was complaining about the 3 extra area codes for the Twin Cities metro and having to dial 10 digit numbers.
 

MNfootballfan said:
I have actually thought of this a few times.

It is important to note, he isn't playing for free at the U. What is the difference between $500k and $1 million... $500k and that is a lot of money!

With that being said, what can only the U give him that no other school can? It has been well known he wasn't as good his sophomore year as his freshman year, but he still remains by far and away the most popular player on the Gophers. He stays one (maybe 2) more years and his name is easily next to Laurence Maroney, MB3, Eric Decker, and Antoine Winfield Jr... not saying they are the best Gophers of the last 25 years but easily the most popular. His name would be right in that circle. What is the price tag on that? To some it is priceless, to others it doesn't mean as much.

Koi could easily say "I don't care as much about being a legendary Gopher, I would rather be in the long line of Buckeyes, but I'll be playing in the CFP." He isn't right or wrong...

I would love to play for my home state team and become legendary...
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I don't blame him for wondering "what if" after 2 years. 2 years he could have been part of a Natty and in CFP every year at OSU. Instead he's away from home during Christmas, playing at some 3rd tier bowl game (again) that nobody cares about outside of MN or NM.

This is the sale pitch Fleck needs to use to get him to stay. Don't be afraid to be a Legend
Sure, he can shop around and take the money elsewhere, but he's going to be "just another guy" at tOSU, Miami or Texas Tech and have to work his tail end off just to earn a starting role among the other 5*** players (not a guarantee). If he declares he is staying, his starting spot is guaranteed, and people will be happy and ready to welcome him back (except for those who already burned their jerseys). Only at the UMN does everyone know who he is and has an opportunity to be a life-long Legend (which money cannot buy). Only at UMN does he have a guaranteed starting spot and showcase for NFL scouts. at tOSU, he will be one of many talented safeties. He'll be that white kid from small town Northern MN (always asked how cold is it there?) and risk no chance to make the NFL if he isn't a standout on the grand stage.

Good Luck PJ
 

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