Koi Perich Transfer Portal

Is there a WAR (wins above replacement) type stat for football like baseball uses? Probably harder to quantify due to the difference in the games but I would be curious how Koi would have done on that type of rating last season.
 
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Well no matter what, you did step up with some stats. Kudos there!

If it's that simple and cut n dried, then he should have no P4 schools offer him in the transfer portal.

Be curious to see what ends up happening with him!
Well thank you!

The point isn't that he won't get offers. You are looking at this with emotional binary glasses on.

The point is you don't have infinite money to spend. You have to look at performance objectively and make personnel decisions accordingly. His camp is probably asking for money based on 2024. MN is probably offering a value based on 2025, his most recent body of work, which was borderline benchable. I posted some objective values publicly available. You can bet the staff has even more comprehensive breakdowns plus insight into the locker room intangibles that I do not.

MN's competitive advantage is everybody has to be all in. We can't afford to retain mercenaries on the team, culturally or financially. This kid was given everything. If it's still not enough, then that is on him. Football is the ultimate team sport. If one guy isn't completely dialed in and committed, all that work put in by everyone else goes kaput. Teammates will tolerate and rally around honest mistakes. That is what makes the bonds in the trenches incredibly strong. What they won't put up with for long is me-first dudes who get royal treatment only to repeatedly blow assignments because they are more interested in their own brand than the team for which they play. It is even more insulting when he his treated like the GOAT and his face is plastered everywhere where I have to be reminded of his lackluster play.
 

Do we believe PJ and Collins are still trying to keep Koi at this point since Koi’s camp said he’s “open to return”. Meaning, is PJ crowd funding like crazy behind the scenes, if it’s a money situation AND staying in touch with Koi sweet talking in his ears?

Or do we think PJ and more of a “FU now that you want to explore other options”, “take it or leave it - here’s our best offer”, and giving Koi space and cold shoulders for him and his agent to sort it out?
My guess is they actually offered him less NIL after the bowl game and he said he wanted to test the market, and Fleck said OK, but this offer might not be there because we have other opportunities to pursue. Just a thought based on the timing.
 

Do we believe PJ and Collins are still trying to keep Koi at this point since Koi’s camp said he’s “open to return”. Meaning, is PJ crowd funding like crazy behind the scenes, if it’s a money situation AND staying in touch with Koi sweet talking in his ears?

Or do we think PJ and more of a “FU now that you want to explore other options”, “take it or leave it - here’s our best offer”, and giving Koi space and cold shoulders for him and his agent to sort it out?

PJ has never been one to burn bridges.
 



I honestly don’t know anyone that hasn’t talked about one without talking about the other. They were like Peanut Butter and Jelly…. I feel like Maroney and Barber defined my generation of Gopher Fans, much like Darrell Thompson defined a generation of Gopher Fans.

I can ask my son and all his friends who their favorite Gopher, they all say Koi and ____ but Koi is always mentioned.
It looks like I was drinking when I wrote this. The question was supposed to be: What has the cult like following done for Barber and Maroney? Besides people like you talking about about them? Has it been a financial windfall? Free drinks at MSP? Or simply an ego boost?
 

I agree. It’s either that or he returns to MN. Sounds like that door is open
Doesn't PJ have a "no visiting other schools after committing here" rule or has he pitched that? I wouldn't be surprised if he told Koi is kick rocks although I think that would be short sighted.
 

Doesn't PJ have a "no visiting other schools after committing here" rule or has he pitched that? I wouldn't be surprised if he told Koi is kick rocks although I think that would be short sighted.
I don't think PJ has that rule exactly. I do think other schools have tried, but those who really enforce it and drop offers have found it to be unworkable and in some cases a disaster.

I do recall PJ saying something about if a player is still looking around, the team would too, but that's not quite the same thing as "no visiting". PJ also talks about always looking for better players and that's more of a understanding with the players than anything else.

Usually it is the big name schools with rules like that as they want to manage the volume of potential commits who may not show up, but I also think that's more of a symptom of a greater recruiting problem.
 



Do we believe PJ and Collins are still trying to keep Koi at this point since Koi’s camp said he’s “open to return”. Meaning, is PJ crowd funding like crazy behind the scenes, if it’s a money situation AND staying in touch with Koi sweet talking in his ears?

Or do we think PJ and more of a “FU now that you want to explore other options”, “take it or leave it - here’s our best offer”, and giving Koi space and cold shoulders for him and his agent to sort it out?
I don't think we've seen PJ burn a bridge like that yet, not willfully on his own.

Maybe Koi changes his mind, or goes off to the wilderness for a season and comes back... I could see PJ happily taking him back.

Personally I also see no reason to burn bridges in situations like this.

Even if PJ had a "f that guy" list (and I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few), I don't think there's much value in making it known / not likely PJ would let it be known.
 

Doesn't PJ have a "no visiting other schools after committing here" rule or has he pitched that? I wouldn't be surprised if he told Koi is kick rocks although I think that would be short sighted.

Didn't Dunlap enter the portal then return? I don't remember if there were others...at least in terms of impact players.
 

It looks like I was drinking when I wrote this. The question was supposed to be: What has the cult like following done for Barber and Maroney? Besides people like you talking about about them? Has it been a financial windfall? Free drinks at MSP? Or simply an ego boost?
I think it depends what career they go into. Some it would help, others not.

But maybe Koi doesn't want to live in MN after sports so it could be a moot point.
 
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Koi transferring isn't that shocking in this day and age but I don't buy into the idea that it has anything to do with draft prospects the way some have said.

NFL finds talent regardless of where they play in college and here he was a featured player on the team getting opportunities in all 3 phases. Maybe he gets all of that at a helmet school, maybe he doesn't.

The two reasons I can see for a guy like Koi to transfer are more money and/or a chance to compete for a National Title.
... or a new position coach or Coordinator?
 



Max is beloved in Minnesota. I wish Koi’s people would take note of that and he would stick it out one more year. Unless someone offers 2X, I’d have a hard time giving up decades of positive vibes.
 

Doesn't PJ have a "no visiting other schools after committing here" rule or has he pitched that? I wouldn't be surprised if he told Koi is kick rocks although I think that would be short sighted.
The only thing i recall is a player visiting another school (Iowa?) without telling the staff. That could be a no-no and would make sense because that could fail the character test.
 


Well thank you!

The point isn't that he won't get offers. You are looking at this with emotional binary glasses on.

The point is you don't have infinite money to spend. You have to look at performance objectively and make personnel decisions accordingly. His camp is probably asking for money based on 2024. MN is probably offering a value based on 2025, his most recent body of work, which was borderline benchable. I posted some objective values publicly available. You can bet the staff has even more comprehensive breakdowns plus insight into the locker room intangibles that I do not.

MN's competitive advantage is everybody has to be all in. We can't afford to retain mercenaries on the team, culturally or financially. This kid was given everything. If it's still not enough, then that is on him. Football is the ultimate team sport. If one guy isn't completely dialed in and committed, all that work put in by everyone else goes kaput. Teammates will tolerate and rally around honest mistakes. That is what makes the bonds in the trenches incredibly strong. What they won't put up with for long is me-first dudes who get royal treatment only to repeatedly blow assignments because they are more interested in their own brand than the team for which they play. It is even more insulting when he his treated like the GOAT and his face is plastered everywhere where I have to be reminded of his lackluster play.
Great post. I'm pretty much onboard with it.

It's interesting what you say "MN is probably offering a value based on 2025". As in, we already did make an offer to Koi, based on XYZ factors, for $X million. And he, his rep, his entourage/camp, decided that number wasn't good enough.

I wonder if there will ever be a way to know (think it will have to come from the horse's mouth), but if he got the exact same offer from Ohio State but getting to play on a natty contender was more the thing.
 


Great post. I'm pretty much onboard with it.

It's interesting what you say "MN is probably offering a value based on 2025". As in, we already did make an offer to Koi, based on XYZ factors, for $X million. And he, his rep, his entourage/camp, decided that number wasn't good enough.

I wonder if there will ever be a way to know (think it will have to come from the horse's mouth), but if he got the exact same offer from Ohio State but getting to play on a natty contender was more the thing.
Everyone involved in this shitshow era of college athletics is going to keep a lid on dollar amounts for as long as they possibly can. Too much unchecked money exchanging hands and an NCAA governing body that is little more than a hood ornament at this point.
 


My guess is they actually offered him less NIL after the bowl game and he said he wanted to test the market, and Fleck said OK, but this offer might not be there because we have other opportunities to pursue. Just a thought based on the timing.
Sounds reasonable.
 


I think he goes to Miami
I had that feeling too at first thought, but after looking at what he brought this year, I really can't see him starting at a place like that and if he does, it won't be for long before he's benched.

He truly had an extremely poor year starting with the Cal game, which was stunning and it wasn't just the botched punt returns. Not sure why a helmet school would throw money at this guy after this season, certainly if they do their homework, but we'll see.
 


He truly had an extremely poor year starting with the Cal game, which was stunning and it wasn't just the botched punt returns. Not sure why a helmet school would throw money at this guy after this season, certainly if they do their homework, but we'll see.
i think they will for the upside
But I don’t think they’ll do it with the intent of him being the unquestioned guy and a two way players.

They’ll do it knowing if he doesn’t win the S job he can probably play nickel well and still contribute on special teams.
Which is why I think he may come back even if he gets money from a top 10 kind of program
 

I had that feeling too at first thought, but after looking at what he brought this year, I really can't see him starting at a place like that and if he does, it won't be for long before he's benched.

He truly had an extremely poor year starting with the Cal game, which was stunning and it wasn't just the botched punt returns. Not sure why a helmet school would throw money at this guy after this season, certainly if they do their homework, but we'll see.
The talent he showed freshman year didn't go away, even if his on field performance was mediocre at best this year. Someone will be willing to see if a change if scenery can get him back on track, there is plenty of potential upside there. There are plenty of examples of talented athletes who couldn't get it together until they switched teams and then they became great. Plus, there is no shortage of coaches who think they are the genius who can unlock unrealized potential. Koi is young. With the talent he has, there is plenty of time for him to figure some things out and have a very good college career.
 

It looks like I was drinking when I wrote this. The question was supposed to be: What has the cult like following done for Barber and Maroney? Besides people like you talking about about them? Has it been a financial windfall? Free drinks at MSP? Or simply an ego boost?
To be honest, I don't know if has done anything for them. I think being competitors they are/were going down as one of the best in school history fits well for them. I don't know what life is like for Laurence Maroney when he comes back to campus but I would imagine it is pretty nice.
 

The talent he showed freshman year didn't go away, even if his on field performance was mediocre at best this year. Someone will be willing to see if a change if scenery can get him back on track, there is plenty of potential upside there. There are plenty of examples of talented athletes who couldn't get it together until they switched teams and then they became great. Plus, there is no shortage of coaches who think they are the genius who can unlock unrealized potential. Koi is young. With the talent he has, there is plenty of time for him to figure some things out and have a very good college career.
Agree with what you say...but unlike previous years, now you gotta back up that "I can fix 'em" with $2 million dollars. And, there has to be the "Hmmm, if Minnesota is not finding a way to keep him", what don't i know about this guy?
Also it does Only take one buyer. So, we'll see soon.
 

I'm not sure 80+ tackles can be considered a bad year.

What he lacked this year were the splash plays but he didn't have a bad year. He did however have one absolute disaster of a game where he was a major contributor to the reasons why the game was lost (can't put it all on him but he made multiple massive mistakes).

It is a big loss for the program if he leaves but it is the reality of this transfer portal era we are living in. I just think those claiming he had a bad year are doing that mostly because of the lack of highlight reel plays. It could be considered a bit of a down year by the standard that gets applied to superstar players I guess.
 





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