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Sid interviewed Coach Kill on his way back from KC. A few things:

- Sid asked him about a rumor he was recruiting a kicker (couldn't answer that of course).
- Coach Kill mentioned that he hoped attrition was done but you don't know until you set the rules and see how they react. As he said, they're pretty simple...show up on time, take care of academics, take care of your personal life, and work hard.
- Coach Kill said he's id'd what they need and they're working hard to get the needs filled.
- Said they're going to be short handed for awhile.
- Said he won't just chase "stars"...wants recruits that are going to have a good chance of staying here for 4 years.
- Spring game will be in late March after break.

It was obvious from his tone that there is a lot of work to do but he's going to do it the right way even if people start "yelling at me".
 

Sounds like Coach Kill has his conservative plan in place to get this team where it needs to be. One thing for sure; we will not see a bunch of system or plan changes with this coach. He has a tried and true approach, policy and system that has worked everywhere he has coached. He has a staff that knows exactly what he wants and is looking to get out of his players. It looks like one of the initial focuses here is to secure players that will have a good or better chance to remain in the program for four years to stop the rollercoaster class talent pools. While the staff will periodicly secure JUCO players to fill immediate depth needs, it appears that a more steady, steadfast approach to getting Preps that will stick and allow optimum coaching for system placement contribution will be key.

This approach gives opportunity for immediate success without jeopardizing longterm Program development. Like Novocaine, it MAY take some time, but you only need a little and it always works.:cool:
 

I didn't grasp how much of the celebrated first Brewster class was lost due to attrition until I listened to the interview this AM. I inferred, right or wrong, from his voice and comments that there's going to be some culture shock coming the way of the players. Did anyone else catch that? Sounds like a paradigm shift in the way things operate in regards to discipline and character/versus recruiting rankings of the players being offered scholarships. I think maybe more local kids considered fringe major conference talent might be a chance here in hopes that they''ll develop into players.
 

I didn't grasp how much of the celebrated first Brewster class was lost due to attrition until I listened to the interview this AM.

I hadn't given it that much thought, but it was really evident when the seniors were introduced before the last game. Were very few big contributors running out there.
 

I didn't grasp how much of the celebrated first Brewster class was lost due to attrition until I listened to the interview this AM. I inferred, right or wrong, from his voice and comments that there's going to be some culture shock coming the way of the players. Did anyone else catch that? Sounds like a paradigm shift in the way things operate in regards to discipline and character/versus recruiting rankings of the players being offered scholarships. I think maybe more local kids considered fringe major conference talent might be a chance here in hopes that they''ll develop into players.

There is ALWAYS a culture shock when you get a new coach - they inevitably have a different approach than the previous coach so you will get some defections right away. Brewster's first class was a disaster - he didn't have enough time to recruit plus he lost some of Mason's recruits who left like Greg Jones after Mason was fired. He took what he could get at that point. Kill will undoubtedly lose some guys right away - he already lost a few Brewster recruits, but I think he has enough time to rebound and fill out the class with some talent so this recruiting class should be ok. I agree with you that Kill is going to take more Minnesota kids and that may not be such a bad thing. Hopefully he can continue the walk on program that Brewster had going and reward some of those kids with scholarships - that's a great way to get some talented kids in the program who end up as starters.

As far as character, I think the kids that Brewster brought in weren't any worse than any other group - they stayed out of trouble for the most part and I don't know if that's a major issue. Kill will have a very different way of running things though and some might not like that too much. Hopefully we do not have too many kids that jump ship because they are the lifeblood of the program and we are already very thin at some spots as it is.
 


Speaking of attrition, can someone list the players who are:

Gone-

Probably Gone-

Possibly Gone-
 

I hadn't given it that much thought, but it was really evident when the seniors were introduced before the last game. Were very few big contributors running out there.

Last year's SR class would probably be better considered to be Mason's last class. Brewster wasn't hired until the middle of January, the attrition is more a part of this coming SR class, which is mostly made up of a bunch of SRs who should be RS JRs (Stoudermire, McKnight, Lair, Tinsley).

But there was an enormous amount of attrition in the last few seasons, and we are going to have to deal with distorted SR classes for awhile. What I mean by that is that we won't have a large group of 5th year SRs (ideal).

If you look at the 2008 class, we only still have 15/29 of those guys still on the roster. The JuCo guys, I can understand, we needed help and we went to a couple bowl games. However, we also lost 8 more of those guys to pure attrition (injury, qualifying, grades/behavior, etc.).

The 2009 class, we only still have 12/20 of those guys still on the roster (there are also question marks in this class (M. Carter, Hageman, etc.).

The end of the Mason era and it's lackluster recruiting combined with Brewster's inability to keep his classes has left us a pretty thin squad.
 

Speaking of attrition, can someone list the players who are:

Gone-

Probably Gone-

Possibly Gone-


According to rumors, which could certainly amount to nothing....

Gone: B. Allen

Possibly Gone: J. Edwards (obscure facebook posting), M. Carter and R. Hageman (always seems to be skepticism on guys who are coming off of suspensions), X. Brandon (already gone, but there is some debate over whether he will come back (injury)), B. Green (some people think he will never be able to play again because of his injury), B. Michel (I think he'll be back but there was some worry about his head injuries and a rumor that he had left school, I don't know how much of it is true)....
 

Brewster's first class was a disaster - he didn't have enough time to recruit plus he lost some of Mason's recruits who left like Greg Jones after Mason was fired

That wasn't the class that was alluded to. It was the next year's SR/(RS)JR and JR/(RS)SO classes that were supposed to be Brewster's breakthrough group that aren't here anymore.

Hopefully Coach Kill's JUCO connections will allow him to plug holes and move forward with the chance to improve our record immediately while building the program.
 



Brewster's first class was a disaster - he didn't have enough time to recruit plus he lost some of Mason's recruits who left like Greg Jones after Mason was fired

That wasn't the class that was alluded to. It was the next year's SR/(RS)JR and JR/(RS)SO classes that were supposed to be Brewster's breakthrough group that aren't here anymore.

Hopefully Coach Kill's JUCO connections will allow him to plug holes and move forward with the chance to improve our record immediately while building the program.

By my count 9 of the 28 players in Brewster's first class left early for some reason. This was a big class with a bunch of Juco's. Maresh was the the big one never to see the field. Gray will get his chance next year. Brewster's second class lost 4 of 20 players counting Bryant Allen and including Campion's return.
 

According to rumors, which could certainly amount to nothing....

Gone: B. Allen

Possibly Gone: J. Edwards (obscure facebook posting), M. Carter and R. Hageman (always seems to be skepticism on guys who are coming off of suspensions), X. Brandon (already gone, but there is some debate over whether he will come back (injury)), B. Green (some people think he will never be able to play again because of his injury), B. Michel (I think he'll be back but there was some worry about his head injuries and a rumor that he had left school, I don't know how much of it is true)....

I can't remember where I saw it but I vaguely remember reading that B. Michel had to take the semester off because of his head injury. Pretty sure I saw him at the Iowa game though. Hopefully he can get healthy.
 

By my count 9 of the 28 players in Brewster's first class left early for some reason. This was a big class with a bunch of Juco's. Maresh was the the big one never to see the field. Gray will get his chance next year. Brewster's second class lost 4 of 20 players counting Bryant Allen and including Campion's return.

As far as experienced depth is concerned, Campion should be included in this year's class. He isn't going to be a RS SO next season.
 

I can't remember where I saw it but I vaguely remember reading that B. Michel had to take the semester off because of his head injury. Pretty sure I saw him at the Iowa game though. Hopefully he can get healthy.

Brooks had to withdraw from his classes because of the head injury... from what i understand he couldnt leave his room for a week or so and there was just now way for him to keep up
 




Lack of numbers was a bigger problem for Brewster than it should be for Kill. I went back as far as '04 and there were very few guys who made it through 4-5 years at the University. '04, '05, '06, and '07 are all pretty much brutal classes.
 

Lack of numbers was a bigger problem for Brewster than it should be for Kill. I went back as far as '04 and there were very few guys who made it through 4-5 years at the University. '04, '05, '06, and '07 are all pretty much brutal classes.

All of a sudden those "5th in the conference for recruiting" don't mean so much when the attrition is that high, do they?
 

Actually they do. As I pointed out attrition was as bad (arguably worse) under Mason's terrible classes.

There is no excuse to go backwards in the recruiting rankings. We've seen where that gets us.
 

As EG pointed it out, it's bad now but it was much worse when Brew took over (as you can see by our SR classes the last couple seasons).
 

As much as you try to say Mason sucked...you are still stuck with the horrible record that brewster had in Big Ten play. Remember brewster's 1-11 season...0-8 in Big Ten play????? Recall brewster's ZERO for trophy games????? brewster was going zero for the Big Ten in 2010
AGAIN until they canned his incompetent butt. Remember when Ferentz slapped brewster silly in that 55-0 head bashing that he personally administered to the hapless brewster?????

You just have to stop trying bash Mason by trying to say that things were worse under him than under the totally failed and fired in mid-season brewster.

You can't spin it fast enough to make brewster anything but the biggest loser to ever coach Golden Gopher Football in modern history. His 6-21 Big Ten record speaks for itself. Give it up. brewster was the worst of the worst. He couldn't even make it through the season in 2010. What kind of loser is fired mid-season????? The program needs to be purged and rid of the brewster nightmare. brewster's recruiting classes are the classes that were signed while HE was drawing a pay check. So what if he didn't start until January. IF a recruit signed under brewster's watch...he was brewster's recruit. You peope try to revise history. Buck up, people who would make excuse for brewster. maturi finally fired brewster...or...hadn't you head????? brewster was as bad a failure here as anyone who ever coached University of Minnesota Football during more than the past half century.

You can't make any excuses for brewster that will make him look any better than he was...the coach who was fired after 3 full seasons and a final season that consisted of only 7 games. He was the WORST.

The minute a coach goes on the payroll he has BOUGHT and OWNS the program. IF recruits were signed while he was in charge, they are his recruits. That goes for any and every coach that has ever worked for the U of M football program. You can NOT spin it. You can NOT try to revise history. You got what you paid for with brewster. You bought that 6-21 Big Ten record. That is what brewster was. He was 6-21 in Big Ten play. That is about a .222 winning percentage. You can't spin brewster any other way.
 

I don't see anyone apologizing for Brewster, he didn't get the job done in 4 years. Brewster's failure does not make Mason's tenure look any better. I don't care about degrees of failure, both failed in almost every regard.

Terrible records against Iowa and Wisconsin? check.
Terrible records in trophy games? check.
Failure to ever finish even 3rd in their own conference? check.
Failure to go to a decent bowl game? check.
 

As much as you people try to say Mason sucked...you are still stuck with the horrible record that brewster had in Big Ten play. Remember brewster's 1-11 season...0-8 in Big Ten play????? Recall brewster's ZERO for trophy games????? brewster was going zero for the Big Ten in 2010
AGAIN until they canned his incompetent butt. Remember when Ferentz slapped brewster silly in that 55-0 head bashing that he personally administered to the hapless brewster?????

You people just have to stop trying bash Mason by trying to say that things were worse under him than under the totally failed and fired in mid-season brewster.

You brewster apologists can't spin it fast enough to make brewster anything but the biggest loser to ever coach Golden Gopher Football in modern history. His 6-21 Big Ten record speaks for itself. Give it up brewster apologists. brewster was the worst of the worst. He couldn't even make it through the season in 2010. What kind of loser is fired mid-season????? The program needs to be purged and rid of the brewster nightmare. brewster's recruiting classes are the classes that were signed while HE was drawing a pay check. So what if he didn't start until January. IF a recruit signed under brewster's watch...he was brewster's recruit. You peope try to revise history. Buck up brewster apologists. maturi finally fired that failed brewster...or...hadn't you head?????

I think you are the only person still hung up on the whole Brew vs. Mason debate. No one was apologizing for Brewster. They were correctly pointing out that we are thin now in our upper classes but we were even more thin. Get over the Mason and Brewster argument, they are both gone. Look at things realistically...

Our senior class this season had 6 players that were here for their entire careers and contributed significantly this year (Alford, theret, Burris, Weber, Collado, Hughes) and we will have a low number next season. I don't care whose fault it is anymore, because whoever's fault it is, is no longer around.

We have more depth right now than we had in 2007, however, it is still way thinner than any Big 10 football team should be. Again, I don't care whose fault it is, we can even blame Brew 100% for the complete lack of talent in 2007 if it will keep you from crying, because the blame game is completely beside the point.

I hope you realize that blindly backing up any person or idea without giving it critical thought makes your points kind of hard to pay much attention to. I am sure you are crying about me saying that we were thinner in 2007 than we are now, if you notice, earlier in the thread I bashed Brewster for the attrition of his major classes. It's called logically looking at the situation and coming to a conclusion rather than simply drinking the kool aid of anyone in particular (in your case, Mason).
 

Coach Kill owns the program now. He will recruit. He will put the best players he has on the field. He will put his players in the best possible position to win games...non-conference and Big Ten games. We will see how quickly he surpasses the brewster level. We will see how quickly he approaches the Mason level. Will he top the Mason level? Will he be able to win 5 conference games in an 8 conference game schedule? I believe that in a year or two or three, he may very well be able to make a run for five conference wins in an 8 conference game schedule? When? How many Big Ten seasons will that take? IF he can get to five wins...a 6th conference win may materialize with a little good fortune. But, getting to five wins is the key! Anything is possible IF a coach can get to that fifth Big Ten Conference game win with a game or two remaining in conference play.

However, make no mistake, it is difficult to win five Big Ten games in an 8 Big Ten game schedule. Darn hard. And, since Nebraska joined the conference, it got even more difficult.

I believe that Coach Kill really is a solid and even gifted coach. Whether that will translate into more than five Big Ten wins in a season in the near-term future remains to be seen. I'm certainly pulling for him to do it and to do it the sooner the better. I'm also waiting for Tubby's hoops team to finish in the top four in Big Ten play. It's tough to win a lot of Big Ten games...very tough. Ask Tubby. Ask Mason. Ask anyone who has ever coached Minnesota Football just how tough it is to win 62.5% of the scheduled Big Ten games in any one season. Just ask brewster about "recruiting" your way to success in Big Ten play without a committment to an offense, defense OR the ability to coach. Ask him if his first recruiting class counted as the clock started ticking down on him? He seemed to be under the impression that his first year wouldn't matter. However, for a new Big Ten coach, year number one's recruiting class counts, year number one's overall record counts...and...year number one's Big Ten record counts. Coach Kill will make year number one count in a positive way for him. Every win will help. Every loss will hurt. But, it will be the number of Big Ten wins in year number one that will make or break his chances for success at the U of M. Even ONE Big Ten win is a lot more to build upon than zero Big Ten wins.
 

Coach Kill owns the program now. He will recruit. He will put the best players he has on the field. He will put his players in the best possible position to win games...non-conference and Big Ten games. We will see how quickly he surpasses the brewster level. We will see how quickly he approaches the Mason level. Will he top the Mason level? Will he be able to win 5 conference games in an 8 conference game schedule? I believe that in a year or two or three, he may very well be able to make a run for five conference wins in an 8 conference game schedule? When? How many Big Ten seasons will that take? IF he can get to five wins...a 6th conference win may materialize with a little good fortune. But, getting to five wins is the key! Anything is possible IF a coach can get to that fifth Big Ten Conference game win with a game or two remaining in conference play.

However, make no mistake, it is difficult to win five Big Ten games in an 8 Big Ten game schedule. Darn hard. And, since Nebraska joined the conference, it got even more difficult.

I believe that Coach Kill really is a solid and even gifted coach. Whether that will translate into more than five Big Ten wins in a season in the near-term future remains to be seen. I'm certainly pulling for him to do it and to do it the sooner the better. I'm also waiting for Tubby's hoops team to finish in the top four in Big Ten play. It's tough to win a lot of Big Ten games...very tough. Ask Tubby. Ask Mason. Ask anyone who has ever coached Minnesota Football just how tough it is to win 62.5% of the scheduled Big Ten games in any one season. Just ask brewster about "recruiting" your way to success in Big Ten play without a committment to an offense, defense OR the ability to coach. Ask him if his first recruiting class counted as the clock started ticking down on him? He seemed to be under the impression that his first year wouldn't matter. However, for a new Big Ten coach, year number one's recruiting class counts, year number one's overall record counts...and...year number one's Big Ten record counts. Coach Kill will make year number one count in a positive way for him. Every win will help. Every loss will hurt. But, it will be the number of Big Ten wins in year number one that will make or break his chances for success at the U of M. Even ONE Big Ten win is a lot more to build upon than zero Big Ten wins.

LOUD NOISES!
 

Coach Kill owns the program now. He will recruit. He will put the best players he has on the field. He will put his players in the best possible position to win games...non-conference and Big Ten games. We will see how quickly he surpasses the brewster level. We will see how quickly he approaches the Mason level. Will he top the Mason level? Will he be able to win 5 conference games in an 8 conference game schedule? I believe that in a year or two or three, he may very well be able to make a run for five conference wins in an 8 conference game schedule? When? How many Big Ten seasons will that take? IF he can get to five wins...a 6th conference win may materialize with a little good fortune. But, getting to five wins is the key! Anything is possible IF a coach can get to that fifth Big Ten Conference game win with a game or two remaining in conference play.

However, make no mistake, it is difficult to win five Big Ten games in an 8 Big Ten game schedule. Darn hard. And, since Nebraska joined the conference, it got even more difficult.

I believe that Coach Kill really is a solid and even gifted coach. Whether that will translate into more than five Big Ten wins in a season in the near-term future remains to be seen. I'm certainly pulling for him to do it and to do it the sooner the better. I'm also waiting for Tubby's hoops team to finish in the top four in Big Ten play. It's tough to win a lot of Big Ten games...very tough. Ask Tubby. Ask Mason. Ask anyone who has ever coached Minnesota Football just how tough it is to win 62.5% of the scheduled Big Ten games in any one season. Just ask brewster about "recruiting" your way to success in Big Ten play without a committment to an offense, defense OR the ability to coach. Ask him if his first recruiting class counted as the clock started ticking down on him? He seemed to be under the impression that his first year wouldn't matter. However, for a new Big Ten coach, year number one's recruiting class counts, year number one's overall record counts...and...year number one's Big Ten record counts. Coach Kill will make year number one count in a positive way for him. Every win will help. Every loss will hurt. But, it will be the number of Big Ten wins in year number one that will make or break his chances for success at the U of M. Even ONE Big Ten win is a lot more to build upon than zero Big Ten wins.


I actually agree with you Walrus, that 5th conference win qualifies a season as a win in my books., and that is not something that can be accomplished easily.

I also agree with you 100% that recruiting is a completely empty practice without a committment to a an offense and a defense.

However, I really can't even fathom an argument that a coach should be responsible for a recruiting class in which he is hired in the middle of January. I don't think it would have made a difference because Brew couldn't coach, but it would have helped Kill (possibly) if Maturi would have made that decision at an appropriate time. I also am fine with some bit of a learning curve, and I think it is important to logically analyze the situation and then set your expectations.
 

Coach Kill owns the program now. He will recruit. He will put the best players he has on the field. He will put his players in the best possible position to win games...non-conference and Big Ten games. We will see how quickly he surpasses the brewster level. We will see how quickly he approaches the Mason level. Will he top the Mason level? Will he be able to win 5 conference games in an 8 conference game schedule? I believe that in a year or two or three, he may very well be able to make a run for five conference wins in an 8 conference game schedule? When? How many Big Ten seasons will that take? IF he can get to five wins...a 6th conference win may materialize with a little good fortune. But, getting to five wins is the key! Anything is possible IF a coach can get to that fifth Big Ten Conference game win with a game or two remaining in conference play.

However, make no mistake, it is difficult to win five Big Ten games in an 8 Big Ten game schedule. Darn hard. And, since Nebraska joined the conference, it got even more difficult.

I believe that Coach Kill really is a solid and even gifted coach. Whether that will translate into more than five Big Ten wins in a season in the near-term future remains to be seen. I'm certainly pulling for him to do it and to do it the sooner the better. I'm also waiting for Tubby's hoops team to finish in the top four in Big Ten play. It's tough to win a lot of Big Ten games...very tough. Ask Tubby. Ask Mason. Ask anyone who has ever coached Minnesota Football just how tough it is to win 62.5% of the scheduled Big Ten games in any one season. Just ask brewster about "recruiting" your way to success in Big Ten play without a committment to an offense, defense OR the ability to coach. Ask him if his first recruiting class counted as the clock started ticking down on him? He seemed to be under the impression that his first year wouldn't matter. However, for a new Big Ten coach, year number one's recruiting class counts, year number one's overall record counts...and...year number one's Big Ten record counts. Coach Kill will make year number one count in a positive way for him. Every win will help. Every loss will hurt. But, it will be the number of Big Ten wins in year number one that will make or break his chances for success at the U of M. Even ONE Big Ten win is a lot more to build upon than zero Big Ten wins.

Wally. Not a Brewster apologist in any form. Very happy he is gone and Coach Kill is here. But I would like to make a point often overlooked.

Brewster was 7-5 and 6-6 in the regular season in 2008 and 2009 with tougher schedules than Mason. 3-6 in conference both years.

That IS Mason level success. Mason level success is failure. What happened to Brewster in 2010. Look at his contract extension. He wasn't extended to improve his position recruiting. He was extended to lower hos buyout for firing. Every member of his staff knew. They were under immense pressure and folded. Maturi tanked the 2010 football season. Just look how the staff and players responded when Brewster was fired and the pressure of the contract was relieved.

Fire Maturi now! Don't let him ruin Coach Kill. He is the best coach we have had in 40 years and Maturi had to be backed into a corner to hire him. Offered him after 7 weeks of searching after all the names turned away from Maturi and gave him 24 hours to decide. Total and complete incompetence. Coach Kill should have been the first Tier II coach offered and hired the day after the NIU regular season ended. But no, he should not have been contacted until the MAC Championship game. That part was right.

If Coach Kill gets any support from the U he will surpass Mason level success in 2011 if our players are tough enough to play for him (I believe they are).

We need to find our Dr. Tom for AD and do so immediately (Kaler is our first hope for that). Unfortunately Bruininks has a standing 2 year extension on Maturi's desk as I type. That is truly sad.
 

To paraphrase a children's author

If you give a Gopher a walnut, he'll want a walnut tree to go with it. As a fan, I want the whole tree. I want to see solid recruiting classes that are balanced for long term needs; student-athletes that remain eligible for their entire football scholarship; and that can be taught the Minnesota system -- whatever that may be. I think it is going to take a a few years to see if this works out for Coach Kill and we fans.
 

That IS Mason level success. Mason level success is failure. What happened to Brewster in 2010. Look at his contract extension. He wasn't extended to improve his position recruiting. He was extended to lower hos buyout for firing. Every member of his staff knew. They were under immense pressure and folded. Maturi tanked the 2010 football season. Just look how the staff and players responded when Brewster was fired and the pressure of the contract was relieved.

Fire Maturi now! Don't let him ruin Coach Kill. He is the best coach we have had in 40 years and Maturi had to be backed into a corner to hire him. Offered him after 7 weeks of searching after all the names turned away from Maturi and gave him 24 hours to decide. Total and complete incompetence. Coach Kill should have been the first Tier II coach offered and hired the day after the NIU regular season ended. But no, he should not have been contacted until the MAC Championship game. That part was right.


We need to find our Dr. Tom for AD and do so immediately (Kaler is our first hope for that). Unfortunately Bruininks has a standing 2 year extension on Maturi's desk as I type. That is truly sad.

It's amazing how someone can be so sure of himself when he actually hasn't a frickin' clue about what really might have happened. God, where to start.

-Maturi extends Brewster to lower his buyout? Wow! Ya, Maturi had this plan to save a few 100,000 dollars by causing this chaos, opening himself up to a hell of a lot more criticism, and setting the program back yet again. Couldn't be that he was following SOP after a season that merited an extension for the usual reasons? Couldn't be that Maturi wanted Brewster to succeed because he was tied so closely to Brewster and bent over backwards to keep him?

-Proof is how the staff and players responded when the pressure was relieved? How about the players had gotten tired of the BS and had quit on Brewster? Then they finally got tired of being a laughingstock and played inspired football the last one and a half games of their season. But don't let the simple explanation of what could motivate athletes stop you from throwing out your more complicated theories.

-Maturi somehow drove all the name coaches away? I don't doubt that he contacted people who are considered on the A List and they all turned him down. Fact is, none of the big names went anywhere, not even the noted Pirateophile that everyone was lusting after. Over a half dozen other schools must also have awful AD's also if Harbaugh, Patterson, Bellotti, Peterson, etc weren't hired by them. That's the only obvious conclusion to make. Nobody else hires abig name coach, but people here keep claiming it's got to be because of Maturi.

-Then Kill should have been the first Tier II coach offered? And you know this how? Sitting in front of your computer and watching cable undoubtedly makes your more knowledgable than somebody who has the contacts and resources that Maturi does. Kill might have been the first guy actually offered. We have no way of knowing, but Maturi, contrary to the version some people like, didn't just dick around for 7 weeks doing nothing. It's obvious he was thorough and I think ran a good search after the "Tubby type of hire" opening blunder.

-And Kill is the best coach we've hired in 40 years? Again, you know this how before even one game has been played? I love the hire and hope to hell it works, but there's a whole lot of luck involved here. The best coach hired in 40 years might take a few seasons; it'll be determined on the field and not because you say so. Just sort of the way things really work.

-So Maturi in a panic hired Kill as a last resort and lucked into a good hire in the last 24 hours? Hires and contracts don't get done that quickly, not even in your world. Kill said something like, "He (Maturi) knew more about me than I knew about myself," at his introductory press conference. The preliminary work had been done in those 7 weeks of dicking around. Maybe Edsall backed out at the last minute after his team won or maybe he didn't. So what? Hell, if he did, that's even more credit to Maturi. He had a backup plan in place and immediately executed it. Hardly the type of thing a "dithering Joel", as people like to call him, would be able to do.

-Then finally. Bruininks has an extension on his desk for Maturi as you type? Yep, that's exactly how things work at that level. A new president has been hired but the old one is going to extend a very visible and very scrutinized administrator right before he leaves. Ya, nothing wrong with that plan because Bruininks is too dumb to realize what a firestorm that would cause. For someone who is so quick to call people stupid when they don't see the same black and white world as you do, that's really a exceptionally dumb-ass thing to say.
 

Mulligan: "...For someone who is so quick to call people stupid when they don't see the same black and white world as you do, that's really an exceptionally dumb-ass thing to say."

Happens to the best of us.
 

It's amazing how someone can be so sure of himself when he actually hasn't a frickin' clue about what really might have happened. God, where to start.

-Maturi extends Brewster to lower his buyout? Wow! Ya, Maturi had this plan to save a few 100,000 dollars by causing this chaos, opening himself up to a hell of a lot more criticism, and setting the program back yet again. Couldn't be that he was following SOP after a season that merited an extension for the usual reasons? Couldn't be that Maturi wanted Brewster to succeed because he was tied so closely to Brewster and bent over backwards to keep him?

-Proof is how the staff and players responded when the pressure was relieved? How about the players had gotten tired of the BS and had quit on Brewster? Then they finally got tired of being a laughingstock and played inspired football the last one and a half games of their season. But don't let the simple explanation of what could motivate athletes stop you from throwing out your more complicated theories.

-Maturi somehow drove all the name coaches away? I don't doubt that he contacted people who are considered on the A List and they all turned him down. Fact is, none of the big names went anywhere, not even the noted Pirateophile that everyone was lusting after. Over a half dozen other schools must also have awful AD's also if Harbaugh, Patterson, Bellotti, Peterson, etc weren't hired by them. That's the only obvious conclusion to make. Nobody else hires abig name coach, but people here keep claiming it's got to be because of Maturi.

-Then Kill should have been the first Tier II coach offered? And you know this how? Sitting in front of your computer and watching cable undoubtedly makes your more knowledgable than somebody who has the contacts and resources that Maturi does. Kill might have been the first guy actually offered. We have no way of knowing, but Maturi, contrary to the version some people like, didn't just dick around for 7 weeks doing nothing. It's obvious he was thorough and I think ran a good search after the "Tubby type of hire" opening blunder.

-And Kill is the best coach we've hired in 40 years? Again, you know this how before even one game has been played? I love the hire and hope to hell it works, but there's a whole lot of luck involved here. The best coach hired in 40 years might take a few seasons; it'll be determined on the field and not because you say so. Just sort of the way things really work.

-So Maturi in a panic hired Kill as a last resort and lucked into a good hire in the last 24 hours? Hires and contracts don't get done that quickly, not even in your world. Kill said something like, "He (Maturi) knew more about me than I knew about myself," at his introductory press conference. The preliminary work had been done in those 7 weeks of dicking around. Maybe Edsall backed out at the last minute after his team won or maybe he didn't. So what? Hell, if he did, that's even more credit to Maturi. He had a backup plan in place and immediately executed it. Hardly the type of thing a "dithering Joel", as people like to call him, would be able to do.

-Then finally. Bruininks has an extension on his desk for Maturi as you type? Yep, that's exactly how things work at that level. A new president has been hired but the old one is going to extend a very visible and very scrutinized administrator right before he leaves. Ya, nothing wrong with that plan because Bruininks is too dumb to realize what a firestorm that would cause. For someone who is so quick to call people stupid when they don't see the same black and white world as you do, that's really a exceptionally dumb-ass thing to say.

Well said.
 

These are all excellent points Mulligan; I would add that it was extremely unlikely that any D1 coach we were interested in would have been able to make any sort of commitment prior to the end of the season with their current team, which is why I have never bought into the "dithering" criticism of Maturi. Kill left NIU after the MAC conference championship game but before their bowl game, neither he nor Maturi can or should be criticized for the timing of the hire. The only candidate that could have been hired sooner was Leach, and even now nobody has touched him. And keep in mind Leach does not have an existing staff and would be starting from scratch which to me means that any success will be delayed by at least a year or two while they go through the startup process. Not sure whats going on in Maryland but it looks like a debacle with the ACC coach of the year fired, and the AD apparently unable to come to terms with Leach. Not saying whose fault it is, but it looks ugly.
 




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