Kent's blog: Brewster says Carter to play Saturday

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Bronko Nagurski Gopher said:
i am quite concerned about your "handle" on reality. stop being so dramatic! some of you basketball posters are too much. :rolleyes:
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Ah yes. One has to either be a 'basketball poster' or a 'football poster' right? Is that like being a basketball school or a football school? I know which one Minnesota is.

I have no idea what Royce and Bostic did, but we have our well-respected basketball coach coming down on them hard. In the other case, we have a football player at minimum making a public spectacle of himself and at worst resisting arrest and our 'all-hat, no cattle' football coach 'handling it internally' just as he supposedly did for Whaley and who knows who else. Forgive me if I questions his judgement a bit more then Tubby Smith's. While not directly related, seeing us get repeated personal foul calls and players screaming at coaches on the sideline, and you might see how one could be a bit concerned about Brewster's control of his team.
 


No suspension? I don't know about this. Regardless of the "fighting" situation he still was drinking and received a minor. I'd say a suspension is needed for the drinking violation for sure and I'll hold judgment until hearing more about the glorified argument.
 

Bronko and his pom poms

Bronko, you're priceless. Stop for a minute and listen to yourself. Do you ever think a Minnesota athlete does anything wrong? Passing the blame on the to the UMPD is bush league. Put away the pom poms once in a great while.
 

howeda7 said:
Ah yes. One has to either be a 'basketball poster' or a 'football poster' right? Is that like being a basketball school or a football school? I know which one Minnesota is.
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A hockey school!
 


frozengopher said:
I think you should change that whole statement to, "based on what I read from the Star Tribune and my primal urge to believe that police officers are antagonistic, the umpd helped escalate the whole situation to a level it really didn't need to go."

The police report was vanilla. An officer will never intelligently write anything about themselves that will bring their actions into question (Maybe in the south) Everything they do is procedural or in reaction to another's actions, and it may be hard to believe, but they do have significant training. Considering the force continuum and Carter's actions, use of a takedown and wielding a taser were acceptable means to gain compliance.

If you think all cops are out to get someone, quit kidding yourself. The amount of education to get a police job in this state requires a 2 year degree and pretty much necessitates a 4 year degree because of competition. I don't think anyone with a grudge is going to consider it worth the tens of thousands of dollars. Also, law enforcement is far from the good 'ol boy system it used to be. It's a profession. Quit watching tv and basing your opinions on it.
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but, i love tv! cops on fox is my favorite! ;)
 

I agree with everything Khaliq has said in this thread so far! I guess there really is a first for everything!
 

Khaliq said:
A hockey school!
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Hockey is #3 at this school and its not even close. Dont get me wrong, I am a big Gopher hockey fan, but I wont pretend it is bigger than basketball and football.
 

frozengopher said:
I think you should change that whole statement to, "based on what I read from the Star Tribune and my primal urge to believe that police officers are antagonistic, the umpd helped escalate the whole situation to a level it really didn't need to go."

...... Considering the force continuum and Carter's actions, use of a takedown and wielding a taser were acceptable means to gain compliance. "

Nobody on this board knows what happened, just like we don't know what's happened elsewhere. This description seems reasonable, particularly since Watkins wasn't arrested or tazed. If Carter allows the patdown, there's no arrest and we don't hear anything about the incident.

My brothers are/were cops. The LA Deputy referred to this as an "attitude adjustment" arrest. Carter acts like Watkins and nothing happens. He refused to do that. Then he goes to jail for the night. I think he said he'd have to fill out a "849b-1" and they would have cut him loose in the morning without charges. But again, we were only going by the Star Trib report.

On other note Whaley didn't play for the first few games this season. Turf Toe I think it was called. Maybe Mr. Carter may also miss a lot of action the next couple of weeks with some type of malady.
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frozengopher said:
On other note Whaley didn't play for the first few games this season. Turf Toe I think it was called. Maybe Mr. Carter may also miss a lot of action the next couple of weeks with some type of malady.
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Whaley played against Syracuse.

Besides, there's no reason you'd use an injury excuse when you are actually disciplining an athlete. Right or wrong...handling internally looks bad to the general public.
 

What if Brewster waits until after his hearing to punish him? (You know, that silly old notion of being innocent until proven guilty). I 100% anticipate that he will plead no contest, guilty or be found guilty, but the process does have to take its course.
 

SelectionSunday said:
Bronko, you're priceless. Stop for a minute and listen to yourself. Do you ever think a Minnesota athlete does anything wrong? Passing the blame on the to the UMPD is bush league. Put away the pom poms once in a great while.
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sure they do stuff wrong. i am not saying they don't. but, i also know some good people who have been completely *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ed over by police officers who embellished their incident reports and who went over the top in trying to make arrests for incidents which did not call for it. so, no i will not stop looking at the actions of the umpd, the mall of america police dept, the mpd, etc. i have family members who are/were firefighters, police officers, etc. that doesn't mean i give people in those professions a free pass to be over-zealous jerks while also trampling on people's rights.

maybe you can put down the pom-poms that police are always right and the individual is always in the wrong.
 

Hey GVBadger, call Brewster by his right name or get off this board.........and take your sanctimonius crap with you..........
 



Iceland12 said:
On other note Whaley didn't play for the first few games this season. Turf Toe I think it was called. Maybe Mr. Carter may also miss a lot of action the next couple of weeks with some type of malady.
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I guess I don't understand the need for gamesmanship. If a player commits a transgression and is held accountable that's unfortunate, but half the point of holding them accountable is to set an example. So why not just stow the excuses and sit them?
 

Imagine the uproar if Brewster was having relations with a cheer leader? In some places that kinda crap gets you an AD job.
 

BPT said that after spending all that money on beer for him and then calling the police, he's pretty disappointed.
 

SelectionSunday said:
Bronko, you're priceless. Stop for a minute and listen to yourself. Do you ever think a Minnesota athlete does anything wrong? Passing the blame on the to the UMPD is bush league. Put away the pom poms once in a great while.
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Keep in mind that Bronko also posted about how over the top it was that UMPD had unmarked cars that were involved in the Tinsley situation.

Bronko, I get that you have strong feelings about this...believe it or not I share many of your concerns about how much power police officers get to wield. But your comments in threads on these topics often border on ridiculous.
 


Khaliq said:
I guess I don't understand the need for gamesmanship. If a player commits a transgression and is held accountable that's unfortunate, but half the point of holding them accountable is to set an example. So why not just stow the excuses and sit them?
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Yeah, to the players yeah, it is the point. Most disciplinary matters shouldn't rise to the point of announcing it to the public. I just honestly have no problem with a coach taking care of this stuff "in house".

If Meyer would have just benched the kid I'd have been fine with that. His "half a game" announcement, intended to appease critics just makes it look like a farce. Paterno suspended some players but others he said he took care of "in house". Oregon seemed to have over reacted to Blount's actions and Boise State seemed to let the instigator go. Ferentz has had a lot of arrests to deal with but the majority of them aren't beyond the norm of a college campus. I'm not going to castigate him for that. I was more irritated about the possible miss use of a housing program then most of the incidents. Bielema's problem in my mind, arose from the disagreement over whether the police involved gave their blessing or not. The Home games part just seemed silly but I didn't have any problem with the punishment

All incidents are different. White was arrested for shoplifting. Should he be suspended? Absolutely. Should the three players have been thrown out in 2007. Yes. Mbakwe was arrested and charged, but he has multiple witnesses that see he was with them at the time of the incident. Should he be able to play? Probably not, but if they determine that he wasn't even there? Then what looks like a reasonable decision will seem quite unjust.

DWI, rape, theft, criminal assault and battery? Suspend the kid or throw him off the team and all the players, recruits and their families should know about it. If the crimes reach public record then the world will know about it.

In the Carter incident I can't get behind a public flogging because I've had a number of cops, big city and small town, tell me through the years about people that "forced me to straighten them out" by taking them to jail. This kind of arrest happens all the time. In small town Minnesota it happens at least on a monthly basis. Either jail or an embarrassing trip home.

The cops involved, if they had worked this past Friday or Saturday night probably had to deal with enough crap in Dinkytown, Frat Houses and Stadium Village to last the rest of the year. They didn't need a mouthy kid telling them he wouldn't be frisked. T hat was with other players yelling at Carter to obey the cop. I'm just not upset with how the cops handled this; and except for the embarrassment factor, I just can't get that pissed-off about what Carter did either.
 

The bottom line is he needs to be suspended. Then again, Brewster has been fairly lax on these types of things in his tenure.
 

GVBadger said:
Maybe the holier then thou, Punky is a stern disciplanarian and ______________ is not garbage will end now.

Then again, it probably won't.

Surprised the AD does not have a policy on this. At Wisconsin, he would have been immediatley suspended per AD policy.
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Please don't go there. I remember one RB that assaulted several people and resisted arrest etc.. IIRC it even made SI.

To fellow Gopher fans, lets just focus on our house.
 

Iceland12 said:
All incidents are different. White and Bostick were arrested for shoplifting. Should they be suspended? Absolutely.
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To clarify, Bostick was not involved in the shoplifting incident. They were unrelated offenses.
 

GoAUpher said:
UW would suspend players over misdemeanors? Minnesota suspends you for felonies automatically (that was what the whole Mbakwe stuff was about) and it sounds like that is what you are referring to at UW but I sincerely doubt either school has a rule on the books that suspends automatically based on misdemeanors.

Not saying he shouldn't be suspended (we could at least pull a Florida and take away a half), just saying I think the fact that these are lesser charges legally might have something to do with it not being so automatic.
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The UW Policy:
If a student-athlete has been convicted of, charged with or arrested for a violation of the law involving drugs, gambling or violence, the student-athlete would be suspended from all competitions and practices. The student would, however, maintain privileges in the academic center, weight room and sports medicine facility. Alcohol-related offenses, that dont result in violations of the law listed above, will be addressed under each sports team rules.

It's not clear in this case whether 'obstructing the legal process' would be considered 'violence'. The underage drinking would not automatically result in a suspension.
 

badgergopher said:
The UW Policy:
If a student-athlete has been convicted of, charged with or arrested for a violation of the law involving drugs, gambling or violence, the student-athlete would be suspended from all competitions and practices. The student would, however, maintain privileges in the academic center, weight room and sports medicine facility. Alcohol-related offenses, that dont result in violations of the law listed above, will be addressed under each sports team rules.

It's not clear in this case whether 'obstructing the legal process' would be considered 'violence'. The underage drinking would not automatically result in a suspension.
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That sounds about right and I'm sure the U has something similar on the books. It all comes down to how you classify the offense (which is why they write these things broadly).
 

mittens22 said:
The bottom line is he needs to be suspended. Then again, Brewster has been fairly lax on these types of things in his tenure.
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On the level of say Ferentz or Paterno, Brewster has been Lombardi like in his discpline but again, he hasn't been around long enough to reach those numbers. To be fair, maybe Kirk and Joe have also chosen to keep their stuff "in house".

Maybe you should go back to the Iowa or to Penn State's board and demand a public accounting. Good luck with that.
 


I emailed Brew and expressed my opinion on this issue politely. He took the time to write me back with a thoughtful response. I'll be polite and not quote a private email here.

I still don't entirely agree with him, but I can kind of see where he's coming from a little on this. He's a father figure to these kids and it's got to be hard to seeing kids you care about so much savaged. Even when they've done something done. Heck, ESPECIALLY when they have. You're already coping with a tough situation and you want to get it straight and you have to deal with tons of people trying to interject themselves.

I'm going to cut Brew slack on this one, and maybe more in general. It says a lot to me that he took the time to address my concerns and give me some insight into his position. Even if we disagree.
 

Iceland, take it easy. I guess I feel like he should be suspended because it was an alcohol offense. I don't think letting this pass is something Brew needs. I'm not saying suspend him for the rest of the year I think some punishment is needed to keep the critics at bay.
 

mittens22 said:
Iceland, take it easy. I guess I feel like he should be suspended because it was an alcohol offense. I don't think letting this pass is something Brew needs. I'm not saying suspend him for the rest of the year I think some punishment is needed to keep the critics at bay.
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That's exactly the point I disagree with. Only from what I've read, I just don't think it rises to the level of suspension. Speaking to your point, if Brewster also feels that way, suspending the kid to appease critics is exactly the wrong thing to do.

If he would suspend Carter even if he feels it's not justified, to make some critics happy then he should just go ahead and resign. If a Head Coach starts throwing his kids to the wolves to hell with him.
 

Khaliq said:
I emailed Brew and expressed my opinion on this issue politely. He took the time to write me back with a thoughtful response. I'll be polite and not quote a private email here.

I still don't entirely agree with him, but I can kind of see where he's coming from a little on this. He's a father figure to these kids and it's got to be hard to seeing kids you care about so much savaged. Even when they've done something done. Heck, ESPECIALLY when they have. You're already coping with a tough situation and you want to get it straight and you have to deal with tons of people trying to interject themselves.

I'm going to cut Brew slack on this one, and maybe more in general. It says a lot to me that he took the time to address my concerns and give me some insight into his position. Even if we disagree.
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Nice post. Thanks for sharing.

Say what you will about the guy, but there's no doubt he cares about the kids and this program.
 

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